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Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

WarpDogs posted:

Maybe it's because I read the 'modernized' version of The Night Land by James Stoddard, but I really loved prologue and framing device. Post-solar humanity is resigned to just sit around waiting for the magical light nobody understands to finally wink out and for them to all die. Even the greatest of scientists have forgotten their own history and now spend their days measuring the precise angle of an eldritch horror's nose and how it changes over the centuries

the problems faced by the protagonist in the prologue are so small and silly compared to the literal end of the world, but that deep, personal and human pain - and the shred of a hope for a 2nd chance - is precisely what drives him to shake up the status quo and go off on his insane adventure

As a concept it's fine, it's Hodgson's execution of it that makes people vomit uncontrollably and chuck the book out the window before they get to the cool monsters and horror. Read it online and see what you think: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/10662/pg10662.html

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Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
A couple months ago I leant my buddy The Traitor Baru Cormorant. He finally got around the reading it. His texts last night:

In the final pages now
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING gently caress
Still have like 10’pages to go
Fuuuuuuuck me
I am not happy
But I was wondering how did they continue this after ….. and then HOLY poo poo
I’m still in shock


And then today

HOLY MUTHER loving gently caress
THAT THING
loving ENDING
I HATE THAT BOOK
I should have stopped reading on episode 29
Those last two chapters hosed me up
Thanks for the rec


He’s keeping the book so his partner can read it too. So uh, it was a hit.

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

Follow me for more books on special!
Lud-in-the-Mist by Hope Mirrlees - $0.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B1W7PBRC/

The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DV1Y7D0/

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

pradmer posted:

Lud-in-the-Mist by Hope Mirrlees - $0.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B1W7PBRC/
Isn't this public domain?

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Jordan7hm posted:

A couple months ago I leant my buddy The Traitor Baru Cormorant. He finally got around the reading it. His texts last night:

In the final pages now
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING gently caress
Still have like 10’pages to go
Fuuuuuuuck me
I am not happy
But I was wondering how did they continue this after ….. and then HOLY poo poo
I’m still in shock


And then today

HOLY MUTHER loving gently caress
THAT THING
loving ENDING
I HATE THAT BOOK
I should have stopped reading on episode 29
Those last two chapters hosed me up
Thanks for the rec


He’s keeping the book so his partner can read it too. So uh, it was a hit.

I just finished that today. For a book about traitors it sure had a lot more treason than I expected at the end

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Jordan7hm posted:

A couple months ago I leant my buddy The Traitor Baru Cormorant. He finally got around the reading it. His texts last night:

In the final pages now
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING gently caress
Still have like 10’pages to go
Fuuuuuuuck me
I am not happy
But I was wondering how did they continue this after ….. and then HOLY poo poo
I’m still in shock


And then today

HOLY MUTHER loving gently caress
THAT THING
loving ENDING
I HATE THAT BOOK
I should have stopped reading on episode 29
Those last two chapters hosed me up
Thanks for the rec


He’s keeping the book so his partner can read it too. So uh, it was a hit.

it's reactions like this to books I love that give me strength

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









FuturePastNow posted:

I just finished that today. For a book about traitors it sure had a lot more treason than I expected at the end

yeah you really need a cw like 'contains descriptions of traitors, treachery' on the cover

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


anilEhilated posted:

Isn't this public domain?
Yup. Per Wikipedia, it became public-domain in the US when the copyright was not renewed in the 1950s. Get it from Project Gutenberg for free.

Lud-in-the-Mist is another of the fantasy novels that is like nothing but itself. It's similar to "Leaf By Niggle", a little, but that's in mood rather than in content. I'm fuzzy-headed and I wish I could do the book justice. It's weird and interesting.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

zoux posted:

Looking for some good occult fiction, everyone recommends "The Devil Rides Out" as a classic of the genre, but it's #6 in a series and you know I like to start at the beginning. So I picked up The Prisoner in the Mask and I've read 300 pages of French political history during the Third Republic at the turn of the century. And I am loving it. No magic or curses yet tho.

As it happens, I read The Devil Rides Out earlier this year and it stands perfectly well on its own. It's a pretty fun little adventure story if you can look past the fact that all the bad guys are foreign, disabled, or both. At least it isn't quite as xenophobic as Sax Rohmer.

Anyway, for good occult fiction, I'd recommend James Blish's Black Easter and The Day After Judgement or Manly Wade Wellman's Silver John books -- the short stories, collected in Who Fears the Devil?, are the best, but the novels are decent too.

Selachian fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Sep 16, 2023

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Here's a passage from Into The Riverlands, the second book.


I love those books, but Into the Riverlands is the third one.

Totally Huge
Mar 10, 2006

Cold brew got me like...

College Slice

pradmer posted:


The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DV1Y7D0/

Picked this up. I read the Pevear & Volokhonsky translation several years ago and enjoyed it. How does this one (Ginsburg) compare?

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Google translate is likely better than P&V

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

If you want a fancy ebook edition of Lud in the Mist and don't want to pay for it, go here: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/hope-mirrlees/lud-in-the-mist

This website takes public domain works and makes them look pretty. It's great and I highly recommend it!

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Gaius Marius posted:

Google translate is likely better than P&V

Wow that's damning. Can you elaborate?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


fritz posted:

I love those books, but Into the Riverlands is the third one.

Headpiece filled with straw, alas.

Leng
May 13, 2006

One song / Glory
One song before I go / Glory
One song to leave behind


No other road
No other way
No day but today

Jordan7hm posted:

A couple months ago I leant my buddy The Traitor Baru Cormorant. He finally got around the reading it. His texts last night:

In the final pages now
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING gently caress
Still have like 10’pages to go
Fuuuuuuuck me
I am not happy
But I was wondering how did they continue this after ….. and then HOLY poo poo
I’m still in shock


And then today

HOLY MUTHER loving gently caress
THAT THING
loving ENDING
I HATE THAT BOOK
I should have stopped reading on episode 29
Those last two chapters hosed me up
Thanks for the rec


He’s keeping the book so his partner can read it too. So uh, it was a hit.

One of us! One of us! One of us! I hope he's getting straight into The Monster Baru Cormorant and The Tyrant Baru Cormorant.

Giggy posted:

Have many here read the Elderlings/Farseer books? I loved the first book and liked the second but am having some trouble getting excited about continuing. I don't care for the wolf stuff and from my understanding the rest of the series is going to heavily revolve around the Fool - a character I'm not really interested in.

I'll probably continue with the series anyway because I like Hobb's focus on interpersonal relationships and character development. I guess I just wanted to express my reservations somewhere.

Giggy posted:

Is Liveship Traders good? Im looking forward to it as a break I suppose.

I've read Farseer and Liveship Traders. Both are worth reading in full, imo, if you like the character focus and if you're a little tired of the focus on Fitz and Fool in Farseer, you'll like the wider spread of POVs in Liveship.

mewse posted:

The side trilogies in the same universe (Liveship Traders, Rain Wild Chronicles) do not feature fitz or the fool.

mewse posted:

What I found draining in Hobb's books was that Fitz seemed to get the poo poo kicked out of him by life and it doesn't really let up. It's a different type of bleak than GRRM or Abercrombie grimdark. "Yes, there are people that care deeply about you, but you will be sad forever"
Spoilers for Liveship: Amber is the Fool and also the ending is basically a happily ever after as far as Hobb is concerned.

Giggy posted:

And also was wondering if anyone has recommendations for books with similar focus on character relationships preferably with good, well-written characters.

I just finished reading Legacy of the Brightwash which is marketed as "grimdark romance" which I think is accurate. There is a central mystery introduced in the opening chapter (dead body of a mutilated child washes up on a river bank) followed by a romance plot in the second chapter which is given equal prominence to the mystery plot plus an overarching political intrigue/rebellion plot that ties everything together.

The first 25-35% is an extreme slow-burn set up of the characters and how they all feel about each other and various issues, and while the book overall is multi-POV, the first part of it follows romance convention with dual POVs which means the romance features more heavily relative to the other plot lines. Book and characters are well written, but it's hilarious how difficult a time I had reading the first third/half of the book because the romance heavy* stuff is mashed in so prominently with the grimdark epic fantasy.

I've actually had an easier time reading a pure steamy romance when I KNOW there isn't anything else other than the romance so I just kinda settle in but when there's like 3 different storylines I care about far more than the romance I'm just like, okay I get it, can you two please just do whatever to hit the next beat in your tortured relationship arc so I can stop reading paras of angst and get back to reading about the other plot lines which I find way more interesting.

Things pick up around the midpoint though and book sticks the landing so I'll be continuing with the series.

* feeling like I should qualify that I do not read romance as a genre and so it's "heavy" for me but probably it's not very heavy relative to something that's romance first and fantasy second.

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

My uncle gifted me a box full of Philip K Dick novels. It’s not every single one of them, but it’s a lot.

I’m new to PKD, other than all the movie adaptations. I started reading Radio Free Albemuth and it feels like a sequel to something else. Or at least is meta enough that it’s probably not the one to start with. Should I read Valis first? Or another one?

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

StrixNebulosa posted:

Wow that's damning. Can you elaborate?

https://www.commentary.org/articles/gary-morson/the-pevearsion-of-russian-literature/

https://classicsbookclub.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/socks-by-janet-malcolm-ny-review-of-books-june-23-2016.pdf

Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Sep 16, 2023

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

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StrixNebulosa posted:

If you want a fancy ebook edition of Lud in the Mist and don't want to pay for it, go here: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/hope-mirrlees/lud-in-the-mist

This website takes public domain works and makes them look pretty. It's great and I highly recommend it!

Good resource, thanks!

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Leng posted:

I've actually had an easier time reading a pure steamy romance when I KNOW there isn't anything else other than the romance so I just kinda settle in but when there's like 3 different storylines I care about far more than the romance I'm just like, okay I get it, can you two please just do whatever to hit the next beat in your tortured relationship arc so I can stop reading paras of angst and get back to reading about the other plot lines which I find way more interesting.
I have read SF (post-apocalyptic) romance where I was skipping the sex scenes to get on with the plot. No, I did not buy book 2. Mercenary Librarians series, if you're curious. Such a great premise. Such poor execution.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Ramrod Hotshot posted:

My uncle gifted me a box full of Philip K Dick novels. It’s not every single one of them, but it’s a lot.

I’m new to PKD, other than all the movie adaptations. I started reading Radio Free Albemuth and it feels like a sequel to something else. Or at least is meta enough that it’s probably not the one to start with. Should I read Valis first? Or another one?

Galactic pot healer

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

This guy sounds kind of like the guy who complains that the localizations of FromSoft games are "wrong".

tildes
Nov 16, 2018
Any recommendations on stuff to read after Hyperion, other than Endymion? I really enjoyed it. I don’t need the literary references, but curious what else might be out there.

buffalo all day
Mar 13, 2019


Someone posted like 2 weeks ago a link to a discussion of the various translations that concluded that P&V was the best one, or perfectly acceptable at least, so in conclusion it seems like there isn’t really a firm answer.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

buffalo all day posted:

Someone posted like 2 weeks ago a link to a discussion of the various translations that concluded that P&V was the best one, or perfectly acceptable at least, so in conclusion it seems like there isn’t really a firm answer.

Pretty sure the Burgin/O'Connor one was the one that won, partly because that's the one sitting in my to-read pile ATM.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

My uncle gifted me a box full of Philip K Dick novels. It’s not every single one of them, but it’s a lot.

I’m new to PKD, other than all the movie adaptations. I started reading Radio Free Albemuth and it feels like a sequel to something else. Or at least is meta enough that it’s probably not the one to start with. Should I read Valis first? Or another one?
I think this is useful context for reading Philip K Dick, definitely for the last books but also the early ones.

Poldarn
Feb 18, 2011

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

My uncle gifted me a box full of Philip K Dick novels. It’s not every single one of them, but it’s a lot.

I’m new to PKD, other than all the movie adaptations. I started reading Radio Free Albemuth and it feels like a sequel to something else. Or at least is meta enough that it’s probably not the one to start with. Should I read Valis first? Or another one?

PKD's short stories are generally better than his novels. Many of the novels are expanded from his short stories and suffer for it. You can ignore anything after Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said as Philip was having a schizophrenic breakdown that lasts for the rest of his life - unless you want to get inside the head of someone suffering a serious break from reality.

My favourites are Vulcan's Hammer and The Man in the High Castle.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Ramrod Hotshot posted:

My uncle gifted me a box full of Philip K Dick novels. It’s not every single one of them, but it’s a lot.

I’m new to PKD, other than all the movie adaptations. I started reading Radio Free Albemuth and it feels like a sequel to something else. Or at least is meta enough that it’s probably not the one to start with. Should I read Valis first? Or another one?

They're all pretty much the same: 1000 words of interesting concept surrounded by 60,000 words of TCC posting. My maxim has ever been that an SF&F collection is like lesbian porn - much better when there's no Dick in it.

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

My uncle gifted me a box full of Philip K Dick novels. It’s not every single one of them, but it’s a lot.

I’m new to PKD, other than all the movie adaptations. I started reading Radio Free Albemuth and it feels like a sequel to something else. Or at least is meta enough that it’s probably not the one to start with. Should I read Valis first? Or another one?

As others already said, Flow my Tears is amazing, as is Man in the High Castle. I really loved A Maze of Death, it's very trippy but one of my favorites of his.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
having just finished Our Friends From Frolix 8 I did not really consciously realize how often PKD had older dudes getting their lives totally derailed by teenage girls in his books until now

is that autobiographical or was he just Heinlein but better

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

DACK FAYDEN posted:

having just finished Our Friends From Frolix 8 I did not really consciously realize how often PKD had older dudes getting their lives totally derailed by teenage girls in his books until now

is that autobiographical or was he just Heinlein but better

lol that’s the one of the first things that happens on Albemuth, and that’s just the first of these books I’m reading

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
I assume that it is autobiographical, because it's also the literal first thing that happens in VALIS which was very much him writing a self-insert about that religious experience (or, you know, stroke) that he had

but also ewwww

Poldarn
Feb 18, 2011

DACK FAYDEN posted:

having just finished Our Friends From Frolix 8 I did not really consciously realize how often PKD had older dudes getting their lives totally derailed by teenage girls in his books until now

is that autobiographical or was he just Heinlein but better

You can tell by his writing, especially his non-sci fi stuff, that he does not really like or understand women.

Major Ryan
May 11, 2008

Completely blank
Nghi Vo's latest Mammoths at the Gates now means there are four awesome stories in this series. They're like 100 page shiny jewels that pop up every so often and I drop everything to read them because they're all so drat good.

This one is slightly less myths and legends than some of the previous ones, instead just being a drat good story about grief. It's no worse for it.

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

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Peace Talks (Dresden Files #16) by Jim Butcher - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082S1N87S/

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer

Nigmaetcetera posted:

Robert Bevan’s kindle direct account was reinstated, if anyone is interested in vulgar and juvenile isekai/LitRPG stories like I am.

:glomp:

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I just finished A Marvelous Light, which I think was recommended ITT. I really enjoyed it. The English-society-drama-but-there’s-magic, plus some smutty gay scenes? Very fun.

Some parts of the magic system don’t exactly make sense to me, but over all enjoyable.

tiniestacorn
Oct 3, 2015

Awkward Davies posted:

I just finished A Marvelous Light, which I think was recommended ITT. I really enjoyed it. The English-society-drama-but-there’s-magic, plus some smutty gay scenes? Very fun.

Some parts of the magic system don’t exactly make sense to me, but over all enjoyable.

If you want something similar, I recommend Witchmark by C.L. Polk!

Thranguy
Apr 21, 2010


Deceitful and black-hearted, perhaps we are. But we would never go against the Code. Well, perhaps for good reasons. But mostly never.

tildes posted:

Any recommendations on stuff to read after Hyperion, other than Endymion? I really enjoyed it. I don’t need the literary references, but curious what else might be out there.

Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota (particularly the last two books) reminded me in good ways of reading the first two Hyperion books.

For Simmons himself, Endymion and Rise are optional, his historical books are fairly good (The Terror is the best of them.) I've never gotten into his horror, his mysteries are okay I guess. Avoid his other SF.

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rohan
Mar 19, 2008

Look, if you had one shot
or one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted
in one moment
Would you capture it...
or just let it slip?


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shrike82 posted:

re-reading the gateway series by frederik pohl - still love the central idea of a asteroid full of ships which go to unknown preset destinations. the writing's pretty forward in some ways for the 1970s (pretty diverse set of characters - a japanese amputee, a prospector family from singapore etc.) and not in others (talk of calcutta, the female characters being props for the protagonist)
I also have a soft spot for Gateway despite its more problematic elements, since it was (hurr) my gateway into science fiction growing up. The dread and anxiety of the central premise is handled so well, imo.

A while ago I found some of the sequels second-hand (looking it up now, there are a lot more than I remember) but I’ve never been compelled to actually read them. Maybe it’s that Gateway stands on its own so well; maybe it’s the exploitation-y cover of one where a mostly-naked woman is hooked up to some sort of machine. Are they worth reading, besides that?

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