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Dr. Stab posted:Does the outpost system feeding back into itself lead anywhere useful? Because I'd love to set up this huge intersolar production chain, but only if it actually does something. Doesn't have to be a lot, but it just seems like there's no goal there. Right now it just seems like I can build better miners to mine more ore to build more miners. Not really, no. A sufficient setup can let you easily mod your gear and prepare meds and (passably useful) meals but if you care about efficiency you're better off just buying the materials needed for that stuff when you need it. The point of building an outpost is to build an outpost. At least you can make a cool hangout for some of your followers and have a big museum of your best armors?
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I only really pick/mine things up if there's a weapon/spacesuit mod I want to make and I track the reagents required. Then I just pick up things with the magnifying glass symbol next to them. It's made subsequent playthroughs much more enjoyable and faster paced.
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heard u like girls posted:Wouldn't surprise me if even Cora iced some dudes over a book or some poo poo well I certainly am doing that for her.
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Chillmatic posted:The designer/writer who clearly is one of those "Liking books is my whole personality" people must be exhausting to be around. shes a kid my mans.
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beelining the main quest really makes it stick out how much crafting, settlements and starships do not matter. all three systems are 100% optional. the game throws money at you and i used the first yellow gun, suit and helmet i found- within the first two hours- all the way through to the credits rolling. why are people picking up and selling ten manila folders??
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Sep 16, 2023 20:12
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because people find it fun?
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Magmarashi posted:I do know that NPC AI could become a performance concern in previous titles when you had too many of them in one place, all tracking internal schedules and calculating pathing. They might have ditched some of that in service to much denser populations in city centers. IIRC ai packages are just snippets of papyrus script (the engine scripting language), which means it really eats performance like a motherfucker because of the interpreter. That said, getting npcs to do interesting/varied things is mainly a question of how much time you want to spend setting conditions, schedules and debugging. Which is another reason why it likely got culled in places.
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hobbesmaster posted:I know, that’s what I keep hitting her with. Wait… the quality of weapons you find goes up if you put points into a weapons skill? I thought it was random. Is that why I can’t find good Las or plasma weapons?
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if you could marry the quests/stories of Starfield with the space capitalism/space travel mechanics simulator of X4 you'd have something special
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E; ^ real The game needs to either let you manufacture ship parts (and whole ships), use large amounts of resources to mod ship parts like we can weapons and armor, or give us some kind of big money sink, if they want outposts to have a purpose beyond existing for their own sake.
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Ms Adequate posted:E; ^ real If the endgame is a money sink, It also needs a way to convert stuff into money that isn't sitting in a chair in the new Atlantis trade authority for an in-game month so you can slowly trickle in money.
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Sep 16, 2023 20:28
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The outpost ui terrible, absolutely terrible on on pc imo. I dont want outposts to have more of a place in this game until that is fixed tbh.
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I did it at first because that's what I did in Fallout 4 and any game where you can pick up junk. But before I enabled weight cheat it was untenable to really bring anything to loot and sinking hella upgrades and suit slots on inventory felt boring. I never needed more money anyway, the few times I wanted to upgrade my ship parts I had plenty just from missions and selling guns and whatever now and then. Enabling weight cheat I could pick up anything... but that introduced a lot of busywork of selling all that crap to vendors who ran out of money quickly. And since I didn't need money ever, and didn't enjoy going into yet more menus to sell junk items, I resolved to just cheat myself money when I ever needed a bunch of it to save myself the busywork... but never found anything I wanted to buy let alone didn't have enough money for already. I think anyone still doing it after playing the game a few days isn't really tho king about whether it's worthwhile or not, it's just a loop they're willing to run around in.
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Do the main NPCs at the Red Mile lose their important flag at any point in this game? When I began that quest line, I didn't exactly like their attitudes. I wanted to clean up shop, but the game doesn't let me.
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Khanstant posted:I did it at first because that's what I did in Fallout 4 and any game where you can pick up junk. But before I enabled weight cheat it was untenable to really bring anything to loot and sinking hella upgrades and suit slots on inventory felt boring. I never needed more money anyway, the few times I wanted to upgrade my ship parts I had plenty just from missions and selling guns and whatever now and then. Enabling weight cheat I could pick up anything... but that introduced a lot of busywork of selling all that crap to vendors who ran out of money quickly. I thought it was because the Commerce challenges require you to sell several different items to unlock the ability to spend a skill point to get the next rank. Still kinda worthless, but there ya go.
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Tankbuster posted:because people find it fun? can you explain what is fun about the process of picking up and then selling 10 manilla folders either in real life or in a video game i dont really understand the whole deal with junk items. a few odds and ends laying around to help color the world makes sense but bethesda goes seriously overboard with it and it seems like there is a faction of players who encourage this, especially since fallout4, and theyve done it even more with this one, its like there's a secret underlying theme of junk items gaining sentience as some kind of hive mind and taking over the universe by sheer volume
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widespread posted:I thought it was because the Commerce challenges require you to sell several different items to unlock the ability to spend a skill point to get the next rank. You could just buy out jemison mercantile and sell it all back to max that skill. e: the real reason is to decorate your office in your outpost.
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Earwicker posted:can you explain what is fun about the process of picking up and then selling 10 manilla folders either in real life or in a video game Most people aren't picking up the junk items, they're getting overloaded from the weapons and gear that drop when you kill enemies. The only time I've ended up with lots of that garbage is when editing my ship, then it comes back at some point and happens all over again next time you edit your ship.
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Dr. Stab posted:You could just buy out jemison mercantile and sell it all back to max that skill. Oh true. I do need my cubicle nightmare to be as furnished and handcrafted as the rest of them.  I miss scrapping items for materials.
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During a conversation i noticed Andreja had cool patches on her suit. Then i recognized one of them, and it's the skills, and each level of skill is it's own embroidered patch. I never looked closely at them but some of them are pretty awesome, like the level 4 pickpocket.
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Powershift posted:During a conversation i noticed Andreja had cool patches on her suit. Then i recognized one of them, and it's the skills, and each level of skill is it's own embroidered patch. just wearing my pick pocketing badge around town
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RandomBlue posted:just wearing my pick pocketing badge around town No sir that isn't a skyrim meme as a patch. I can break your bones with anything.
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Powershift posted:During a conversation i noticed Andreja had cool patches on her suit. Then i recognized one of them, and it's the skills, and each level of skill is it's own embroidered patch. they have it on their constellation spacesuits too.
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Haha what the gently caress game, you take away my ships but don't reset the enemy vessels, so either I can fly around in that dumb ng+ ship or I can tey to take on a level 30 Spacer Racoon II in the default constellation??
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Khanstant posted:Come to think of it Terramorph is the first enemy I killed in the game lol. I didn't fight the pirates in the intro and the first planet and outpost O explored was an abandoned corpsey one with a single terramorph, like level 20 or 30 I forget. Only weapon I had was cutter and a couple emergency axes so I spent 15 minutes chopping at him while strafing in a circle, he could sometimes hit but mostly whiffed or waddled between me and the robot. I was expecting cooler treasure from him but idk why. lol me too, I kited him around with Vasco and I thought it was real strange that it wasn't like ever brought up again.
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Having an issue with base building. Is there any way to manually shift something up and down? I can't build the large landing pad at my outpost on a small hill because the foundation is too tall, but if I make a small landing pad it'll say I can build the big one because when they overlap in the build menu, technically the large one is 'lower' so I could build it, but I can only have one landing pad. Really confusing, just need to get that big rear end landing pad so I can finally build my ship (without fast travelling 5-10 times to check parts)
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Did anyone at Bethesda test the ship building part of the game? There's just no way to build a multi-deck ship that doesn't turn into a confusing, illogical maze inside, unless you force it by leaving empty spaces everywhere between habs. Incredibly annoying. No way to see the layout either without completing the build and going inside.
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Philonius posted:Did anyone at Bethesda test the ship building part of the game? No way to like, start from scratch either.
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I wish this game would make secondary NPCs shut up whenever primary ones are having scripted conversations.
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What do you keep what do you lose on NG+?
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you keep levels/skills/powers you lose everything else
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Philonius posted:Did anyone at Bethesda test Why even keep typing lol
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The only thing you keep is your skills/powers. You do get a “default” starborn kit for your baseline gear and ship.
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Elendil004 posted:What do you keep what do you lose on NG+? You keep your level, skills, traits, powers, and research. You lose everything else, including inventory, credits, ships, and outposts. You start NG+ with some powerful armor and a powerful Starborn ship with a small amount of unique resources and that's it.
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After two days of real life stuff, I got back. Now I'm visiting Akkila. This got a chuckle of me: The city design is 100% old west, including brick & mortar building and wooden windows and... suddenly that stand take from Neon or Altantis city??
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Turin Turambar posted:After two days of real life stuff, I got back. Now I'm visiting Akkila. This got a chuckle of me: One guy on the design team didn't get the memo that he wasn't working on skyrim until he was already almost done.
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Turin Turambar posted:After two days of real life stuff, I got back. Now I'm visiting Akkila. This got a chuckle of me: they hired arthmoor to put lore friendly quest kiosks in
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Valleyant posted:They're essential. You can't kill them. UUUUUUURRRRRGH!
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Chillmatic posted:Early in my career I worked for a studio that was described as a "retirement home for over-the-hill 90's game developers", and I feel like Bethesda is fast approaching that point. It's often touted as a good thing that they have very little turnover; many employees there have been around since the Morrowind days or even earlier. But I think that explains a lot about why their games have not meaningfully evolved in the time since. Yeah I feel the same. I never worked with them directly, but Todd always gave me Ken Levine vibes and that guy was terrible to work with because he would veto everything to make sure it was done his way. Sometime that formula can work, but when these guys are like 80 years old and out of touch its probably time for new juice. Realistically he'll probably stick around until the next Scrolls game, so the next Fallout will probably be lead by newer people.
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Valleyant posted:OSHA-punk A world where people use hard hats as toilets Clipboards as shields Decorative safety goggles on top of every head Indentured public servants filling out incident reports 18 hours a day for the sexual gratification of an audience
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