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I am also done with 1-to-1 agent simulation for city builders like this. Maybe a small town simulator, heh.
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Agents are great IMO, luv me agents. I never had an issue with them in CS1 so if they've improved them for CS2 I don't imagine I would have any issues there either.
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I forgot which YouTuber I was watching play CS2 last night but I felt kind of bad watching how clean and sterile looking low wealth housing was. I wanna build backwater towns with farmland and county fairs, dang it 
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The farmland looks pretty good at least. There was a video where a guy was doing English countryside and you can build just a bunch of farm fields all over the place. I just wish they'd tell us about modding, really. Like clearly they understand a solid portion of the audience is into the weirdo detail stuff, they wouldn't include infinite money and no progression modes otherwise. Plus the "watch me detail this poo poo like a madman" YouTube channels with 700,000 subscribers. But if their position is "hey we aren't doing all this ourselves but just left everything open to modders, you weirdos go hog wild customizing it however you want" then that's fine. I just want to know.
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Grand Fromage posted:But if their position is "hey we aren't doing all this ourselves but just left everything open to modders, you weirdos go hog wild customizing it however you want" then that's fine. I just want to know. If it's this then I really hope having modders on staff has resulted in a sane framework that doesn't break everything for each of the hundred DLCs they release
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Sep 10, 2023 06:55
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Almost all of the guys doing the release videos are big detail modders and they've all been quiet on it.
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drunkill posted:This Silvarret video is great so far That's my favourite of these videos so far. Another favourite. How to cheat your way into Megalopolis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca0_l8b3vRs Small Playground is cheap enough and gives enough xp to be net profitable to build due to Milestones money. 4000 small playgrounds later -> Megalopolis.
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Theres no prop placement. Im not sure if bsquiklehausen was allowed to say that since all the other detail youtubers have specifically not said anything about props, but he said it in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW9m4QTrLwI
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Sep 10, 2023 21:11
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City Planner Plays also said there's no prop placement in his video
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Sep 10, 2023 21:18
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Yeah there just doesn't appear to be any props in the menu, just trees. Which is also how CS1 was so it's not enormously surprising.
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There's a prop menu in CS1. Though I do not know if it was there at release or not. If you meant being quiet about mods, yeah. They're under NDAs. I don't expect to hear anything about modding before Colossal Order tells us about it.
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Sep 10, 2023 21:22
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Is there? Last I played you could only place trees unless you used a mod.
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OwlFancier posted:Is there? Last I played you could only place trees unless you used a mod. Yep, it's in the parks menu. Find It is much better so I never bother, but it's there.
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Sep 10, 2023 21:26
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idk why nobody is talking about the #1 unanswered question about CS2, which is if intersections still treat roads as having separate rights of way unless they're at exact 180 degree angles. it was always incredibly annoying to see one lane have a green light and the other one have a red because one side of the road was misaligned by 1 degree or something
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Humble Bundle is doing one of their occasional bundles where you can get CS and a fistful of DLCs for $20, this one has a bunch of the content creator packs: https://www.humblebundle.com/games/cities-skylines-build-today-plan-for-tomorrow
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Randallteal posted:I want a game that simulates external time passing like SC2K/3K again, but it's probably not feasible from a production standpoint without using AI tools to generate all the assets you'd need for different eras of buildings and new vs aged versions of historical building types. This is something I've wanted for a long, long time. Ideally you'd start in like 1850 or so and the only outside connection is a lone rail track spanning the map. Build some dirt roads, plop down a small train station along the track, build a little post office, and boom - you got yourself a little town that will start bringing people in. Continue to expand outward and develop industries like farming and ranching to get your little town going. Eventually start making road connections to the rest of the world. Once automobiles come along, they'll start replacing horses and carriages as modes of transportation your citizens are using. It's all intertwined with resources. Not exactly a novel concept. Transport Fever 2 did a great job with both resources and "development" over a period of time, it's a real shame they didn't use that engine to make a city builder with it. Of course, the planning of how to handle buildings being new, older, and old but also nice, rundown, and abandoned can cause a lot of headaches if you also add states for "repurposed", as in using an old house as a convenience store or something. It would be amazing, but alas.
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I haven't closely followed but has the increase in scope wrt to the simulation aspect of CS2 causing problems from what people can tell from influencer access? IE is the "recommended specs" actually going to give decent performance?
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Streamers are all gonna have the kinds of machines where that isn’t so noticeable, I’d’ve thought. And dang, I completely forgot about the older SimCity games starting with just like, steam trains and stuff available. Along with Transport Tycoon that seems to have been a thing in 90s games that ended up getting dropped for some reason.
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It's one of those things where it becomes exponentially more difficult to integrate as games become more complex and art assets become more detailed.
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And also means you end up with a hard limit on game lengths with meaningful progression, which is shorter if a player wants to start with relatively modern infrastructure. OpenTTD with authentically modded horse drawn vehicles and early steam trains is a real slog, while futuristic monorails and maglevs can make things too easy. It works for certain kinds of game formulas, but not for others.
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The streamers have not commented on performance because it's an unoptimized beta. The only things I've seen are it loads in just a few seconds, and I saw screens of a city with 300,000 population which is possible in CS1 but hard to get to without the city exploding. The fact they removed hard limits for agents (and, presumably, for other stuff like nodes but they haven't said) means that the game will eat however much computer you have to throw at it.
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I think I’m the last person playing CS1 on Switch (which is understandable  )
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ExtraNoise posted:Of course, the planning of how to handle buildings being new, older, and old but also nice, rundown, and abandoned can cause a lot of headaches if you also add states for "repurposed", as in using an old house as a convenience store or something. It would be amazing, but alas. Every time I see one of the brick factory buildings from the Industrial Evolution pack I wish they could develop into apartments if I rezone them
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mrpwase posted:Every time I see one of the brick factory buildings from the Industrial Evolution pack I wish they could develop into apartments if I rezone them Landlord spotted!!!!
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Gentrification sucks but old factories and stuff converted to apartments are also cool, it's a bitch of an earth.
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Adaptive reuse is good and would make cities look more interesting. You can do it in CS1 with RICO but I don't think there's a way to change just a single building, it changes all of them. If CS2 RICO let you do single buildings that would own.
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AFAIK CS2 actually has a system where commercial buildings are vacant until businesses move into them, which is when signs and stuff get put up. It'd be cool if they could use that for mixed use zoning type stuff where the same building could be a residence or business but that'd probably make their engine explode.
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Strategic Tea posted:Landlord spotted!!!! Ah gently caress I would like to modify my original statement with a 'once the abolish private rents ordinance is enacted' clause Also I have a grim fascination with making lovely cities I guess!
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turn off the TV posted:AFAIK CS2 actually has a system where commercial buildings are vacant until businesses move into them, which is when signs and stuff get put up. It'd be cool if they could use that for mixed use zoning type stuff where the same building could be a residence or business but that'd probably make their engine explode. Yeah I always got annoyed playing CS1 seeing perfectly good buildings get demolished and rebuilt because the company went out of business. Just reuse it you morons!
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turn off the TV posted:AFAIK CS2 actually has a system where commercial buildings are vacant until businesses move into them, which is when signs and stuff get put up. It'd be cool if they could use that for mixed use zoning type stuff where the same building could be a residence or business but that'd probably make their engine explode. Cant wait for the first mod that turns vacant commercial lots into Spirit Halloween stores
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mutata posted:Gentrification sucks but old factories and stuff converted to apartments are also cool, it's a bitch of an earth. my old job was an office that was inside a converted bicycle factory, it was excellent, we had all these exposed steel beams and lattices and pipes and poo poo
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mrpwase posted:Every time I see one of the brick factory buildings from the Industrial Evolution pack I wish they could develop into apartments if I rezone them
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I've never done a "model city" build in CS1. I'd like to give it a try before CS2 comes out. Is there any video that walks through the mods etc you use to be very persnickety about placing stuff?
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Move It, Game Anarchy, Line Tool, Building Control, Tree Control, Surface Painter, Extra Landscaping Tools, Prop Control, 81 TIles 2, Network Anarchy, Loading Screen Mod (this is more to keep the game running better with a lot of assets), Network Multitool, BOB, Find It! 2, Node Controller Renewal 3.5, Ploppable RICO Revisited 2.5.5, Undo It, Hide It! should cover you. Some of those will have dependencies but the workshop tells you that.
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Mrenda posted:I've never done a "model city" build in CS1. I'd like to give it a try before CS2 comes out. Is there any video that walks through the mods etc you use to be very persnickety about placing stuff? Once you've given a subscribe to the mods from up above ☝️, you may want to watch some videos from two dollars twenty (or other creators) and try to follow what they're doing each step -- a lot of it comes down to having an idea behind a "scene", setting up roads, and moving things manually to line up, along with adding some props: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV01oPQzJc0 Also give Imperatur a shot, since he does the same kind of thing but in vanilla (with DLC) Skylines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7LBe0rysjk Goes to show you don't always need tons of mods to get a good result.
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Also be sure to set plopped buildings as automatically historical in RICO, otherwise they'll change when they level up.
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Thanks all. Last time I tried this was a few months back and all the mods exploded with dependencies and bugs. I'll probably be pulling my hair out in an hour.
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death cob for cutie posted:my old job was an office that was inside a converted bicycle factory, it was excellent, we had all these exposed steel beams and lattices and pipes and poo poo Been in one of these in Hartford, CT. p cool.
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It's pretty hard to convert office buildings into residential. You need a lot more plumbing. There are definitely a lot of efforts to do so, but they're not doing well.
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Mixed commercial residential would be great. Small apartment blocks with shops on the ground floor that kind of thing.
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