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Phenotype posted:was really kind of a bad move for them to have a whole ajah especially for darkfriends To be fair, the Black Ajah is like Fight Club, in that you don't talk about the Black Ajah.
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exmarx posted:this season is a lot better than the previous one so far, but the dialogue is so loving clunky. how many atrocious "when i was a little girl..." monologues have we had at this point? the cinematography is still really bad too the camera circling the whitecloaks fight was clearly trying to be badass but it just looked laughable instead. Oh that's who she was! Something about her seemed familiar.
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Its good that their not sticking to those bullshit 50 minute episodes and are making 70 and 68 minute episodes. Longer episodes are better. Also some really great changes. I especially liked the Lanfear pretending to be Rand for Ishmael scene. That was really good.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:03
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buffalo all day posted:Imagine hearing lady suroths voice talking in a southern accent and being mad that its not southern enough!!! Is this really what they do in the book? lmao It sounds goofy enough just with Iowa-standard American accents. They look like extras from the Holy Mountain. They need to sound crazy too
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Sep 16, 2023 03:20
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According to Robert Jordan in interviews regarding the books, the Seanchan have heavy Texan accents.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:25
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They don't exactly call it a southern usa accent but with the way it's described it's a common interpretation
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Sep 16, 2023 03:25
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The text says "drawl" which can be interpreted a lot of ways.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:26
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Is this really what they do in the book? lmao The accent in the books is described (never transcribed) as being slow, slurred, and drawling.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:27
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Probably doesn't hurt that it's a culture of slavers
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Sep 16, 2023 03:30
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just wanted to make sure Padan's swagger was saved
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Sep 16, 2023 05:09
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I can't believe how much he completely dominates a scene without needing to say a word.
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Sep 16, 2023 11:11
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Dude's had about 5 minutes of screen time across a season and a half and is one of the most memorable characters
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Sep 16, 2023 11:34
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Indeed, thats an impressive swagger
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Sep 16, 2023 20:25
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exmarx posted:this season is a lot better than the previous one so far, but the dialogue is so loving clunky. "Now this is where my eidetic memory comes in handy..."
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Sep 17, 2023 11:11
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That poo poo with Verin and the other two browns was painful to watch. Shakey handwriting!! She must be black ajah! The character interactions between them all were awfully scripted in general. Argh. Other than that and other clunky dialogue, not bad ep. Though I felt the weight of lore dump catch up heavily due to the lack of time spent fleshing things out more last season. The standard continues to be better than season 1. Also, hot drat those boots in the last scene.
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Sep 17, 2023 19:06
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Moonlit Knight posted:"Now this is where my eidetic memory comes in handy..." I literally went "ugh" at that line lmfao.
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El Grillo posted:That poo poo with Verin and the other two browns was painful to watch. Shakey handwriting!! She must be black ajah! The character interactions between them all were awfully scripted in general. Argh. No, it's shakey handwriting, someone might be using compulsion on her. Aes sedai can't use compulsion, therefore... Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Sep 17, 2023 |
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El Grillo posted:That poo poo with Verin and the other two browns was painful to watch. Shakey handwriting!! She must be black ajah! The character interactions between them all were awfully scripted in general. Argh. Lol, they literally spelled out the inference on screen and you still are too stupid to follow.
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Sep 17, 2023 20:52
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CainFortea posted:Lol, they literally spelled out the inference on screen and you still are too stupid to follow. It's not that the viewer doesn't understand the inference, it's that the inference itself is clunky and seems like a huge leap to make. The writing isn't even noticeably shaky to the naked eye but it's pretty clear evidence of evil mind control? Just seems poorly written (lol) and Something That Needed To Happen for the plot to move along, rather than something that would actually happen. Also please don't be a dick, we're all just dorks talking about a dorky show. No need to be lovely to people for absolutely no reason.
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Sep 17, 2023 20:56
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:It's not that the viewer doesn't understand the inference They have an invented alphabet on screen, and you're a handwriting expert in that? Anyway, no, they didn't understand what was spelled out directly in the show. Their post proves it. Because they posted the wrong take. Next time someone complains about "omg show don't tell" i'm just gonna link that post.
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Sep 17, 2023 20:59
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CainFortea posted:[...] This is where your eidetic memory comes in handy.
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Sep 17, 2023 21:13
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CainFortea posted:They have an invented alphabet on screen, and you're a handwriting expert in that? No, but the viewer was shown that Verin needed a magnifying glass to see what was being discussed. And the description was "here it looks as if her hand was moving more slowly" It seems very contrived, especially when paired with introducing the brown sister with an eidetic memory who just now needed to exist in order to show the viewer this evidence. Good thing she told us she has an eidetic memory! E: ^^^ lol
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Sep 17, 2023 21:24
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And just in time!
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:No, but the viewer was shown that Verin needed a magnifying glass to see what was being discussed. And the description was "here it looks as if her hand was moving more slowly" And it was quite clear that the Brown Ajah is made up of (various levels of) nerds. It is not too far-fetched to think that someone with an eiditic memory in there. Obviously they could gave also had her copy the book through some Channeling it so, but it does establish (once more) that even for Aes Sedai it is important that they can do more than just be good at channeling. Finally, we've also learned that Aes Sedai become quite old - that's lot of time to train certain obscure but useful skills.
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Sep 17, 2023 21:58
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My take is that if a fantasy show goes out of the way to show that a character has a certain skill, no matter how improbable that skill is in real life, I'll accept that in the show, that character has the ability to do what they said. "You can't determine that from handwriting!" is a weird critique in a show where characters can use actual magic.
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Sep 17, 2023 23:25
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There are people in the real world who's literal entire job is to be able to identify forged handwriting
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IcePhoenix posted:There are people in the real world who's literal entire job is to be able to identify forged handwriting And they really hit you over the head with the fact that these women are scholars and historians who have doubtless spent decades to centuries poring over old manuscripts. Which is one of the main places that skill gets used in the real world.
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Sep 17, 2023 23:49
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Moonlit Knight posted:"Now this is where my eidetic memory comes in handy..."
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It's very important that anyone with even a mild critique of the show is called an idiot. Otherwise the bad people win.
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Yeah I mean it's fine, I think it's a pretty subjective opinion on whether or not this particular scene was a bit clunky / contrived. It still worked ok as a means to introduce the concept of compulsion, it just screamed "this show is moving at a breakneck pace and we have to cram this in now or never" to me. If people disagree that's fine and I certainly don't think they are wrong. It's just silly to question people's intelligence, media literacy, etc. because we have actual differences of opinion in discussing the writing of this show we're all enjoying. It's very juvenile at times.
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As clunky as the Verin/Yassica scenes were, I would still prefer that over the stuff from last season where Rand and May went from riding horses penniless in bad coats to walking with nice coats and enough money to afford an inn in Tar Valon. That was a touch subtle for my tastes even though the information was there to piece together. Also, Im going to be thrilled if the Verin/Yassica scenes are the worst things we deal with this season; so far, the rest of the show is a step up season-to-season.
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There could have been a more plausible way to express the important details, but they got to the conclusion quickly. Verin pretty much knows that the record was falsified, but doesn't know who falsified it. So she gets help from one of her many previously established incredibly dorky friends, each of whom is a highly proficient specialist in various historiographical skills. With her help, she figures out that Sheriam was not acting of her own volition, but instead someone else was the darkfriend. She also lets the biggest gossips in the Tower know that she thinks the Black Ajah is real. They could have used a little more exposition to preempt objections to the believability of the fact that this worked on the basis of using handwriting analysis to establish the possibility of mind control, but would that really have been wise?
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The actresses playing the Brown sisters did some good work with really clunky dialog. Their Ajah are supposed to be library nerds and, having worked with a lot of those, they pulled it off quite well despite the bad lines they were given.
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Rewatched this episode with the family and honestly just sad s1 was as poorly done as it was. This season has been leagues better, and this episode kept the two non readers engaged and interested the entire time in a way s1 never did.
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This week on Tarsem Singh's The Wheel Of Time... (The costumes are loving awesome this week, holy poo poo.) DTurtle posted:Ok, now that this episode is out, I wanted to come back to this: Killer robot posted:The non-book-reading friend I watched episode 4 with was on the fence but leaning toward her trying to do the right thing in a lovely way, until this episode made it clear. Yeah, this is where I was at. I got that she was betraying them, but I was reading it as a calculated action for some utilitarian good. Also I forgot that bit of relevant lore haha.
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Funny that we're talking about clunky dialogue and it's about the Brown Ajah and not that one scene between Perrin and Aviendha that was less a conversation and more Avi reading off from an Aiel factbook
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arteliad posted:It's very important that anyone with even a mild critique of the show is called an idiot. Otherwise the bad people win. They thought the browns believed the mistress of novices was a black Ajah due to the shakey handwriting. Calling them an idiot is a bit mean but I did think it funny they were calling the show dumb when unable to follow a pretty simple plot point.
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It does suggest a funnier version of the show, though. Like a particularly murderous finishing school meets the witch dunk test. She failed the handwriting test! Burn her!
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:It's just silly to question people's intelligence, media literacy, etc. because we have actual differences of opinion in discussing the writing of this show we're all enjoying. It's very juvenile at times. It isn't a difference of opinion. I didn't mention anything about the supposed clunkyness. It was all about the factually incorrect reciting of what happened on screen. I personally think it's weird that people are caught up thinking that some book reading mega nerds might speak awkwardly. But whatever, that's entirely subjective. Those are two different concepts.
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Rarity posted:Funny that we're talking about clunky dialogue and it's about the Brown Ajah and not that one scene between Perrin and Aviendha that was less a conversation and more Avi reading off from an Aiel factbook I just figured that's because she assumed he would be too dumb to follow along otherwise (she's right)
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