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BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Danann posted:

true military power lies in the nerds who can do derivatives with pen and paper

Yeah, Roman engineering/siege weapons were pretty cool.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 17 days!)

What an incredible mind on this guy.

https://twitter.com/Pharohman777/status/1703567306117579047?s=20

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bad news for Ukraine - The BBC is not buying Ukraine's narrative of the counteroffensive's progress.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66796358

War in Ukraine: Is the counter-offensive making progress?
By Frank Gardner
2 hours ago

Ukraine's generals say they have "broken through" Russia's first line of defence in the south.

We've assessed how far Ukrainian forces have really progressed, and what signs there are of further breakthroughs along the frontline.

Ukraine began its big counter-offensive in early June to push Russian forces back from land they seized. It attacked at three points along the 600-mile-plus (965km) frontline.

The area to the south-east of the city of Zaporizhzhia is by far the most strategically important.

Striking out in this direction towards the Sea of Azov, if successful, could cut off Russia's supply lines that connect the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don to Crimea.

There hasn't been much progress on this front, except for the area around the villages of Robotyne and Verbove in the Zaporizhzhia region, as seen highlighted in purple in the map above.

If Ukraine can sever this main supply route then Russia will find it all but impossible to maintain its huge garrison in Crimea which it annexed in 2014.

Despite significant obstacles, there are now confirmed sightings of Ukrainian troops breaching Russia's defensive structures along the southern front.

We have verified nine social media videos along the frontline near Verbove.

Four of the videos show Ukrainian forces breaching Russian defences north of Verbove.

However, these show incursions, not that Ukraine has managed to take control of the area.

So far it has only been Ukrainian infantry getting through, and we're not seeing Ukrainian armoured columns pouring through, exploiting the gap and holding the ground taken.



What is stopping Ukraine advancing faster?

Moscow saw this counter attack coming long ago and has spent months building the world's most formidable layered defences in depth.

This is what they look like from space - lines of interlocking obstacles, trenches, bunkers and minefields, each covered by artillery.

Vast minefields have slowed the Ukrainian advance.

These minefields are intensely packed, in some places up to five mines laid in a square metre.

Ukraine's first attempt to charge through them in June quickly ended in failure, with its modern, Western-supplied armour crippled and burning. Ukrainian infantry came similarly unstuck, taking horrific casualties.

Kyiv has since had to resort to clearing these mines on foot, often at night and sometimes under fire. Hence the slow progress to date.

Ukraine's tanks and armoured vehicles are vulnerable to Russia's mines, drones and anti-tank missiles - like in this video analysed by BBC Verify which shows a British-supplied Challenger 2 tank that got hit near Robotyne.

These will only be able to push forward in numbers once a sufficiently wide path has been cleared through the minefields and when Russian artillery there has been subdued.


What next for Ukraine's counter-offensive?

"The problem that the Ukrainians have now", says Dr Marina Miron at King's College London War Studies Department, "is to get an opening big enough to get more troops in".

Meanwhile Russia has been moving in reinforcements, and this battlefront is dynamic, it's moving, and Russia could still reverse Ukraine's gains.

We've geolocated a Russian drone video which backs up reports that its elite airborne forces, the VDV, have deployed close to the town of Verbove - a move aimed at plugging any gaps created by Ukraine's counter-offensive.

"Ukrainian forces continue to face resistance from Russian forces on the battlefield," says Kateryna Stepanenko, Russia analyst at the London-based think tank, RUSI.

"Alongside artillery fire, drone strikes and Russian defensive structures - Russian forces are also extensively using electronic warfare measures that aim to impede Ukrainian signals and drone usage."

Ukraine has barely progressed more than 10% of the way to the coast, but the reality is much more nuanced than that.

Russia's forces are exhausted and possibly demoralised after sustaining three months of intensive attacks, including long-range strikes that are targeting their supply lines.

If Ukraine can break through the remaining Russian defences and reach as far as the town of Tokmak then this would bring Russia's rail and road supply routes for Crimea within range of its artillery.

If they can do that, then this counter offensive can be judged a qualified success.


It may not end the war, which is likely to drag on well into 2024 and perhaps longer - but it would seriously undermine Moscow's war effort and put Ukraine in a strong position for when peace talks eventually begin.

But for Kyiv, the clock is ticking. The rainy season will arrive within weeks, turning the roads to mud and hindering further advances.

Beyond that lies the uncertainty of the US presidential elections, where a Republican victory could see US military support for Ukraine dramatically slashed.

President Putin knows he needs to tough it out until then. The Ukrainians know they have got to make this counter-offensive succeed.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Please stop, it's like a 155mm barrage to my psyche

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 17 days!)

He's making worse posts than the one that got him permabanned.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

dear lord

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.
U.S. HELPED PAKISTAN GET IMF BAILOUT WITH SECRET ARMS DEAL FOR UKRAINE, LEAKED DOCUMENTS REVEAL
The U.S.-brokered loan let Pakistan’s military postpone elections, deepen a brutal crackdown, and jail former Prime Minister Imran Khan.
https://theintercept.com/2023/09/17/pakistan-ukraine-arms-imf/

SECRET PAKISTANI ARMS sales to the U.S. helped to facilitate a controversial bailout from the International Monetary Fund earlier this year, according to two sources with knowledge of the arrangement, with confirmation from internal Pakistani and American government documents. The arms sales were made for the purpose of supplying the Ukrainian military — marking Pakistani involvement in a conflict it had faced U.S. pressure to take sides on.

The revelation is a window into the kind of behind-the-scenes maneuvering between financial and political elites that rarely is exposed to the public, even as the public pays the price. Harsh structural policy reforms demanded by the IMF as terms for its recent bailout kicked off an ongoing round of protests in the country. Major strikes have taken place throughout Pakistan in recent weeks in response to the measures.

The protests are the latest chapter in a year-and-a-half-long political crisis roiling the country. In April 2022, the Pakistani military, with the encouragement of the U.S., helped organize a no-confidence vote to remove Prime Minister Imran Khan. Ahead of the ouster, State Department diplomats privately expressed anger to their Pakistani counterparts over what they called Pakistan’s “aggressively neutral” stance on the Ukraine war under Khan. They warned of dire consequences if Khan remained in power and promised “all would be forgiven” if he were removed.

Since Khan’s ouster, Pakistan has emerged as a useful supporter of the U.S. and its allies in the war, assistance that has now been repaid with an IMF loan. The emergency loan allowed the new Pakistani government to put off a looming economic catastrophe and indefinitely postpone elections — time it used to launch a nationwide crackdown on civil society and jail Khan.

“Pakistani democracy may ultimately be a casualty of Ukraine’s counteroffensive,” Arif Rafiq, a nonresident scholar at the Middle East Institute and specialist on Pakistan, told The Intercept.

Pakistan is known as a production hub for the types of basic munitions needed for grinding warfare. As Ukraine grappled with chronic shortages of munitions and hardware, the presence of Pakistani-produced shells and other ordinances by the Ukrainian military has surfaced in open-source news reports about the conflict, though neither the U.S. nor the Pakistanis have acknowledged the arrangement.

Records detailing the arms transactions were leaked to The Intercept earlier this year by a source within the Pakistani military. The documents describe munitions sales agreed to between the U.S. and Pakistan from the summer of 2022 to the spring of 2023. Some of the documents were authenticated by matching the signature of an American brigadier general with his signature on publicly available mortgage records in the United States; by matching the Pakistani documents with corresponding American documents; and by reviewing publicly available but previously unreported Pakistani disclosures of arms sales to the U.S. posted by the State Bank of Pakistan.

The weapons deals were brokered, according to the documents, by Global Military Products, a subsidiary of Global Ordnance, a controversial arms dealer whose entanglements with less-than-reputable figures in Ukraine were the subject of a recent New York Times article.

Documents outlining the money trail and talks with U.S. officials include American and Pakistani contracts, licensing, and requisition documents related to U.S.-brokered deals to buy Pakistani military weapons for Ukraine.

The economic capital and political goodwill from the arms sales played a key role in helping secure the bailout from the IMF, with the State Department agreeing to take the IMF into confidence regarding the undisclosed weapons deal, according to sources with knowledge of the arrangement, and confirmed by a related document.

To win the loan, Pakistan had been told by the IMF it had to meet certain financing and refinancing targets related to its debt and foreign investment — targets that the country was struggling to meet. The weapons sales came to the rescue, with the funds garnered from the sale of munitions for Ukraine going a long way to cover the gap.

Securing the loan eased economic pressure, enabling the military government to delay elections — a potential reckoning in the long aftermath of Khan’s removal — and deepen the crackdown against Khan’s supporters and other dissenters. The U.S. remained largely silent about the extraordinary scale of the human rights violations that pushed the future of Pakistan’s embattled democracy into doubt.

“The premise is that we have to save Ukraine, we have to save this frontier of democracy on the eastern perimeter of Europe,” said Rafiq. “And then this brown Asian country has to pay the price. So they can be a dictatorship, their people can be denied the freedoms that every other celebrity in this country is saying we need to support Ukraine for — the ability to choose our leaders, ability to have civic freedoms, the rule of law, all these sorts of things that may differentiate many European countries and consolidated democracies from Russia.”

Bombs for Bailouts

On May 23, 2023, according to The Intercept’s investigation, Pakistani Ambassador to the U.S. Masood Khan sat down with Assistant Secretary of State Donald Lu at the State Department in Washington, D.C., for a meeting about how Pakistani arms sales to Ukraine could shore up its financial position in the eyes of the IMF. The goal of the sit-down, held on a Tuesday, was to hash out details of the arrangement ahead of an upcoming meeting in Islamabad the following Friday between U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Donald Blome and then-Finance Minister Ishaq Dar.

Lu told Khan at the May 23 meeting that the U.S. had cleared payment for the Pakistani munitions production and would tell the IMF confidentially about the program. Lu acknowledged the Pakistanis believed the arms contributions to be worth $900 million, which would help to cover a remaining gap in the financing required by the IMF, pegged at roughly $2 billion. What precise figure the U.S. would relay to the IMF remained to be negotiated, he told Khan.

At the meeting on Friday, Dar brought up the IMF question with Blome, according to a report in Pakistan Today, which said that “the meeting highlighted the significance of addressing the stalled IMF deal and finding effective solutions to Pakistan’s economic challenges.”

A spokesperson at the Pakistani Embassy in Washington declined to comment, referring questions to the State Department. A spokesperson for the State Department denied the U.S. played any role in helping procure the loan. “Negotiations over the IMF review were a matter for discussion between Pakistan and IMF officials,” the spokesperson said. “The United States was not party to those discussions, though we continue to encourage Pakistan to engage constructively with the IMF on its reform program.”

An IMF spokesperson denied the institution was pressured but did not comment on whether it was taken into confidence about the weapons program. “We categorically deny the allegation that there was any external pressure on the IMF in one way or another while discussing support to Pakistan,” said IMF spokesperson Randa Elnagar. (Global Ordnance, the firm involved in the arms deal, did not respond to a request for comment.)

The State Department’s denial was contradicted by Maryland Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen, a leading voice in Washington on foreign affairs. Earlier this month, Van Hollen told a group of Pakistani journalists, “The United States has been very instrumental in making sure that the IMF came forward with its emergency economic relief.” Van Hollen, whose parents were both stationed in Pakistan as State Department officials, was born in Karachi and is known to be the closest observer of Pakistan in Congress.

In an interview with The Intercept at the Capitol on Tuesday, Van Hollen said that his knowledge of the U.S. role in facilitating the IMF loan came directly from the Biden administration. “My understanding, based on conversations with folks in the administration, has been that we supported the IMF loan package given the desperate economic situation in Pakistan,” he said.

Eleventh-Hour IMF Deal

The diplomatic discussion about the loan came a month before a June 30 deadline for the IMF’s review of a planned billion-dollar payment, part of a $6 billion agreement made in 2019. A failed review would mean no cash infusion, but, in the months and weeks ahead of the deadline, Pakistani officials publicly denied that they faced serious challenges in financing the new loan.

In early 2023, Dar, the finance minister, said that external financing assurance — in other words, financial commitments from places like China, the Gulf states, or the U.S. — were not a condition the IMF was insisting Pakistan meet. In March 2023, however, the IMF representative in charge of dealing with Pakistan publicly contradicted Dar’s rosy assessment. IMF’s Esther Perez Ruiz said in an email to Reuters that all borrowers need to be able to demonstrate that they can finance repayments. “Pakistan is no exception,” Perez said.

The IMF statement sent Pakistani officials scrambling for a solution. The required financing, according to public reporting and confirmed by sources with knowledge of the arrangement, was set at $6 billion. To reach that goal, the Pakistani government claimed it had secured roughly $4 billion in commitments from Gulf countries. The secret arms deal for Ukraine would allow Pakistan to add nearly another billion dollars to its balance sheet — if the U.S. would let the IMF in on the secret.

“It was at an impasse because of the remaining $2 billion,” said Rafiq, the Middle East Institute scholar. “So if that figure is accurate, the $900 million, that’s almost half of that. That’s pretty substantial in terms of that gap that had to be bridged.”

On June 29, a day before the original program was set to expire, the IMF made a surprise announcement that instead of extending the previous series of loans and releasing the next $1.1 billion installment, the bank would instead be entering an agreement — “called a Stand-By Arrangement” — with fewer strings attached, more favorable terms, and valued at $3 billion.

The agreement included the conditions that the currency would be allowed to float freely and energy subsidies would be withdrawn. The deal was finalized in July after Parliament approved the conditions, including a nearly 50 percent increase in the cost of energy.

Uzair Younus, director of the Pakistan Initiative at the Atlantic Council’s South Asia Center, said that the IMF deal was critical to Pakistan’s short-term economic survival. “Had that not happened, there would have been a full-blown economic meltdown in the country,” Younus said. “So it was a make-or-break moment.”

The question of how Pakistan overcame its financing obstacles, has remained a mystery even to those following the situation professionally. The IMF issues public accounting of its reviews, Rafiq noted, but doing so if the financing relates to secret military projects presents an unusual challenge. “Pakistan is very strange, in many ways,” he said, “but I don’t know how a secret, covert, clandestine military program would figure into their calculations, because everything’s supposed to be open and by the books and all that.”

Imran Khan, Ukraine, and Pakistan’s Future

At the start of the Ukraine war, Pakistan was in a markedly different geopolitical and economic position. When the conflict began, Khan, at the time the prime minister, was in the air on the way to Moscow for a long-planned bilateral meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The visit outraged American officials.

As The Intercept previously reported, Lu, the senior State Department official, said in a meeting with then-Pakistani Ambassador Asad Majeed Khan two weeks after the invasion that it was the belief of the U.S. that Pakistan had taken a neutral position solely at Khan’s direction, adding that “all would be forgiven” if Khan was removed in the no-confidence vote. Since his ouster, Pakistan has firmly taken the side of the U.S. and Ukraine in the war.

The U.S., meanwhile, continues to deny that it put its thumbs on the scale of Pakistani democracy — for Ukraine or any other reason. At an off-the-record, virtual town hall with members of the Pakistani diaspora at the end of August, Lu’s deputy, Elizabeth Horst, responded to questions about The Intercept’s reporting on Lu’s meeting with the Pakistani ambassador.

“I want to take a moment to address disinformation about the United States’s role in Pakistani politics,” Horst said at the top of the call, audio of which was provided to The Intercept by an attendee. “We do not let propaganda, misinformation, and disinformation get in the way of any bilateral relationship, including our valued relationship with Pakistan. The United States does not have a position on one political candidate or one party versus another. Any claims to the contrary, including reports on the alleged cypher are false, and senior Pakistani officials themselves have acknowledged this isn’t true.”

Senior Pakistani officials, including former Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, have confirmed the authenticity of the cable, known internally as a cypher, published by The Intercept.

Van Hollen, in his press briefing with Pakistani journalists, took the same line as the State Department, saying that he had been assured by the administration that the U.S. did not interfere in Pakistani politics. In his interview with The Intercept, he clarified that he meant the U.S. did not engineer Khan’s ouster. “I’m not disputing the accuracy of the cable,” Van Hollen said. “Look, I have no idea where the administration is on what their view is on the final result, but I do not read that [cable] to mean that the United States engineered his removal.”

After orchestrating Khan’s removal, the military embarked on a campaign to eradicate his political party through a wave of killings and mass detentions. Khan himself is currently imprisoned on charges of mishandling a classified document and facing some 150 additional charges — allegations widely viewed as a pretext to stop him from contesting future elections.

Horst, at the town hall, was also pressed as to why the U.S. has been so muted in response to the crackdown. She argued the U.S. had, in fact, spoken up on behalf of democracy. “Look, I know many of you feel strongly and are very concerned about the situation in Pakistan. I’ve heard from you. Trust me when I say I see you, I hear from you. And I want to be responsive,” she said. “We do continue to speak up publicly and privately for Pakistan’s democracy.”

While Pakistan reels from the impact of IMF-directed austerity policies and the political dysfunction that followed Khan’s removal, its new military leaders have made lofty promises that foreign economic support will rescue the country. According to reports in the Pakistani publication Dawn, Army Chief Gen. Asim Munir recently told a gathering of Pakistani businessmen that the country could expect as much as $100 billion in new investment from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states, hinting that there would be no more appeals to the IMF.

There is little evidence, however, that the Gulf nations are willing to come to Pakistan’s rescue. Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, or MBS, recently announced major investments and economic partnerships with India during a visit there for the G20 summit. Despite reports in the Pakistani press expressing hope that MBS would pay Pakistan a visit, none materialized, let alone any major new investment announcements.

The absence of other foreign support left Pakistan’s embattled military regime further dependent on the IMF, the U.S., and the production of munitions for the war in Ukraine to sustain itself through a crisis that shows no sign of resolution.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

fizzy posted:

If Ukraine can break through the remaining Russian defences and reach as far as the town of Tokmak then this would bring Russia's rail and road supply routes for Crimea within range of its artillery.

If they can do that, then this counter offensive can be judged a qualified success.
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alright theres the goalposts

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

quote:

Russia's forces are exhausted and possibly demoralised after sustaining three months of intensive attacks, including long-range strikes that are targeting their supply lines

Meanwhile, the Ukrainians are probably bright-eyed and bushy-tailed after struggling to grind through the first layer of the largest defensive works constructed in decades.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

He's making worse posts than the one that got him permabanned.


Good news for people who are curious about what post got Pharohman777 permabanned - Zedhe Khoja had compiled the posts that got Pharohman777 permabanned.

Zedhe Khoja posted:

Hey Pastry, given the probe you gave just there for calling a guy with pedo stuff on his rapsheet a pedo, its my understanding that if I wanted to call Pharohman777 a creepy altright pedo I couldn't just rely on that ban of his calling him a pedo?

I would be obligated to post this stuff about his gaming habits from a disgustingly depraved porngame site?




While the pedophilia seems baked in, the rape (other than statutory) fetish scenes are possibly optional




Though the reviews would imply otherwise.




I wonder if pharohman777 ever got to jack it to a mutilated child's genitals?


His history on a dozen other sites is strewn with copious amounts of other pedo and rape fetish stuff (albeit buried within massive quantities of favorited erotica of all kinds. dude reads more than gradenko). I expect him to immediately begin pruning his naruto, shinji, rei, etc fetish porn favorites in these places, but he needn't bother. Every mod that has looked at that ban for pedo--poo poo he got (including the mod who gave it to him), and didn't move to perma him has been following the longrunning trend of shielding predatory freaks on this site, and I'm likely in more danger of mod action than he is for outing him. "Hell dumping" or "doxxing" or "its just anime" or whatever excuse you sadsacks use to protect dangers to the community.

Makes one wonder what happens on the mod sub/discord.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeKassabian/status/1703372229591937435?t=qC1DlTDTzn2oOxsm2_uY2g&s=19

Ah yeah because that's totally what's happening these days right

Host of Lions Lead by Donkeys Podcast. Holocaust and Genocide Denial Researcher.

It took me a while to find a sane response

https://twitter.com/frankensteinyea/status/1703459236905410670

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Good news for Ukraine - Ukrainian forces had recaptured the eastern village of Klishchiivka on the southern flank of Bakhmut, which the Russians claimed control of in January.


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-general-says-klishchiivka-village-near-bakhmut-recaptured-2023-09-17/\

Ukraine recaptures village near Bakhmut, Zelenskiy says
By Nick Starkov
September 18, 20238:31 AM GMT+8
Updated an hour ago

Sept 17 (Reuters) - The general in command of Ukraine's ground forces said on Sunday that Ukrainian forces had recaptured the eastern village of Klishchiivka on the southern flank of Bakhmut, which the Russians claimed control of in January.

"Klishchiivka was cleared of the Russians and liberated," Alexander Syrskyi, commander of Ukraine's ground forces, said in a post on the Telegram messaging app.

Interior Minister Ihor Klymenko also confirmed on Telegram that the village was recaptured in heavy fighting by the "Liut" national police united assault brigade, the 80th airborne assault brigade and the 5th assault brigade. Reuters was unable to verify the battlefield report.

Klishchiivka is around six miles (nine km) south of Bakhmut and had a pre-war population of around 400 people. It is several miles (kilometres) north of Andriivka, which was recaptured earlier this week.

Both settlements were substantially destroyed in months of fighting for Bakhmut.

The Ukrainian president's chief of staff Andriy Yermak on Sunday published a photo on Telegram showing five Ukrainian servicemen with Ukrainian national and military flags in their hands against the background of a destroyed building.

"Ukraine always gets its own back," Yermak wrote.

The Ukrainian military said earlier on Sunday that Kyiv's troops "achieved success in the Klishchiivka district of the Donetsk region, forcing the enemy out of their positions."

Bakhmut fell into Russian hands in May after months of heavy fighting. For several months now, Ukrainian forces have been conducting offensives north and south of the city in order to dislodge Russian units from it.

Ukrainian military analysts said this week the liberation of settlements near Bakhmut would allow the military to advance from the southern flank in the Bakhmut area, gaining control of the heights.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Danann posted:

true military power lies in the nerds who can do derivatives with pen and paper

Have you ever had a paper cut? Purple heart material right there.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Has Ukraine retaken farmer maggots potato patch yet or are the hobbits from the shire still repelling all assaults using their defence in depth of thrown rocks and shouting?

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

fizzy posted:

Good news for Ukraine - Ukrainian forces had recaptured the eastern village of Klishchiivka on the southern flank of Bakhmut, which the Russians claimed control of in January.


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-general-says-klishchiivka-village-near-bakhmut-recaptured-2023-09-17/\

Ukraine recaptures village near Bakhmut, Zelenskiy says
By Nick Starkov
September 18, 20238:31 AM GMT+8
Updated an hour ago

Sept 17 (Reuters) - The general in command of Ukraine's ground forces said on Sunday that Ukrainian forces had recaptured the eastern village of Klishchiivka on the southern flank of Bakhmut, which the Russians claimed control of in January.

"Klishchiivka was cleared of the Russians and liberated," Alexander Syrskyi, commander of Ukraine's ground forces, said in a post on the Telegram messaging app.

Interior Minister Ihor Klymenko also confirmed on Telegram that the village was recaptured in heavy fighting by the "Liut" national police united assault brigade, the 80th airborne assault brigade and the 5th assault brigade. Reuters was unable to verify the battlefield report.

Klishchiivka is around six miles (nine km) south of Bakhmut and had a pre-war population of around 400 people. It is several miles (kilometres) north of Andriivka, which was recaptured earlier this week.

Both settlements were substantially destroyed in months of fighting for Bakhmut.

The Ukrainian president's chief of staff Andriy Yermak on Sunday published a photo on Telegram showing five Ukrainian servicemen with Ukrainian national and military flags in their hands against the background of a destroyed building.

"Ukraine always gets its own back," Yermak wrote.

The Ukrainian military said earlier on Sunday that Kyiv's troops "achieved success in the Klishchiivka district of the Donetsk region, forcing the enemy out of their positions."

Bakhmut fell into Russian hands in May after months of heavy fighting. For several months now, Ukrainian forces have been conducting offensives north and south of the city in order to dislodge Russian units from it.

Ukrainian military analysts said this week the liberation of settlements near Bakhmut would allow the military to advance from the southern flank in the Bakhmut area, gaining control of the heights.

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

DancingShade posted:

Have you ever had a paper cut? Purple heart material right there.

The Swift Boat guys were right to mock John Kerry's Purple Heart.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
2019 paper: Eugenics and racial anthropology in the Ukrainian radical nationalist tradition

quote:

Abstract

Eugenics and race played significant roles in Ukrainian interwar nationalism, yet remain largely unstudied. The Ukrainian nationalists’ understanding of the racial makeup of their imagined community was contradictory as they struggled to reconcile their desire for racial “purity” with the realities of significant variations between the populations inhabiting the enormous territories which they sought to include in their intended state project. The “turn to the right” over the 1930s placed an increased onus on race, and eugenics came to occupy an increasingly prominent place in Ukrainian radical nationalism from around 1936. In 1941, the leading Ukrainian far-right organization, the OUN had developed a project for eugenic engineering, for their aborted state, declared in L’viv on June 30, 1941. Racial conceptualizations of the Ukrainian community figured prominently well into the Cold War era, gaining a new actuality and meaning in an émigré community dispersed across several countries.

quote:

Figure 2. “Nasal forms of whites (1), yellows (2), and black (3).” Iendyk, Vstup do rasovoi budovy Ukrainy, 59.

quote:

Conclusion

Since Stets’ko’s state failed to obtain recognition by his intended Axis partners the eugenic programs spelled out in For the Content of State Life never materialized as Ukrainian state policy. We will never know how such an implementation would have played out. The implementation of similar eugenic programs in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) between 1941 and 1945, a source of inspiration for the OUN(b) could indicate a possible path of development. Notions of race clearly informed OUN(b) ethno-political violence during the war, both underlining the mass anti-Jewish pogroms in Western Ukraine in the summer of 1941 and their systematic massacres of the Polish minority in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia in 1943–44. Some of these notions survived the collapse of the Axis powers, and retained a role not only in the sectarian and fractious Galician Ukrainian émigré politics; eugenics, as a discipline was revived by its post-war émigré scholarly association.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

He's making worse posts than the one that got him permabanned.

he can't turn it off!

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Good news for Ukraine - If Western nations provide Ukraine with advanced weapons, Ukraine will be able to expel Russian troops much faster


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-volodymyr-zelenskyy-putin-world-60-minutes/

Ukraine's Zelenskyy urges the world to stand up to Putin
BY KEITH ZUBROW
SEPTEMBER 17, 2023 / 7:47 PM / CBS NEWS

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley the world must unite against Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"There are nations with billions of people who should tell him that the steps you [Putin] are taking are leading to a third world war," Zelenskyy warned through a translator.

Pelley interviewed the Ukrainian president in the presidential compound in Kyiv last week, for the 56th season premiere of 60 Minutes.


Putin's long game

Putin's troops invaded Ukraine in February of 2022. Despite Russia initially anticipating a quick conquest, the war has dragged on. This spring, Ukraine launched a counter-offensive and has regained some territory it initially lost.

Zelenskyy told 60 Minutes that if Western nations provide Ukraine with advanced weapons, his country will be able to expel Russian troops much faster.

The Ukrainian President is now braced for a long conflict as the Russian leader hopes Ukraine's western allies will lose interest in supporting the war.


What Zelenskyy told 60 Minutes last year

Pelley last interviewed Zelenskyy from his command center in Kyiv in April 2022, months after Russian President Vladimir Putin launched an attack on its western neighbor.

"We are defending the ability of a person to live in the modern world," Zelenskyy told Pelley through a translator. "We are defending the right to live. I never thought this right was so costly. These are human values. So that Russia doesn't choose what we should do and how I'm exercising my rights. That right was given to me by God and my parents."

Despite concerns for his safety following the invasion, Zelenskyy chose to stay in Ukraine.

"I told them this is my choice. And I can't do it any other way," Zelenskyy told 60 Minutes through a translator. "I'm the president of my country. I'm the president of our people. And even if I wasn't president, I would have stayed here. [My family] understood. Not only understood, but fully supported my decision. Fully."

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Putin's lines are collapsing!

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

John Charity Spring posted:

you'll never guess who popped up defended Kassabian https://twitter.com/Pharohman777/status/1703450324160393324?t=jE107CwMCjlA5ypPazG6Tw&s=19

don't usually post low engagement tweets but this has forum saga interest value

lmao

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

Nonsense posted:

Putin's lines are collapsing!

he can recut them

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

:stonklol:

e: reminder he's not even a "progressive" pedo he's an altright cretin, or is doing some ppj altright infiltration
just the most fetid broken individual even in the world of permabanned SA creeps

Zedhe Khoja has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Sep 18, 2023

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

lot to unpack here

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Cerebral Bore posted:

lot to unpack here

Please don't. It's better to not think about it.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Zedhe Khoja posted:

:stonklol:

e: reminder he's not even a "progressive" pedo he's an altright cretin, or is doing some ppj altright infiltration
just the most fetid broken individual even in the world of permabanned SA creeps

left and right don't mean anything anymore

seems to be tankie vs anti-tankie now, the anti-tankies think they're leftist at the moment but they'll just go back to admitting they're right wing once the China poo poo gets going

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
lmfao

https://twitter.com/Pharohman777/status/1699227711557009579

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
enlightened progressive: i've wizened over the years, the iraq war was just a stupid oopsie

(tentacle monster looking you dead in the eyes and gripping your shoulder really hard): that means you've grown, son

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
I love that saying the Iraq War was about oil (among other material incentives) is a "conspiracy," and not, you know, something that happened in the open.

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

Homeless Friend posted:

enlightened progressive: i've wizened over the years, the iraq war was just a stupid oopsie

(tentacle monster looking you dead in the eyes and gripping your shoulder really hard): that means you've grown, son

Thank you, Lord :cthulhu:!

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Majorian posted:

I love that saying the Iraq War was about oil (among other material incentives) is a "conspiracy," and not, you know, something that happened in the open.

a self professed autist taking "dying for bush oil profits" in the most literal sense and becoming a pyf tankie superstar ftw

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bad news for Russia - Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) used a sea surface drone nicknamed "Sea Baby" to strike a Russian missile-carrying hovercraft, a corvette Samum.


https://kyivindependent.com/media-ukraine-hits-russian-missile-carrying-ship-with-sea-drone/

Media: Ukraine hits Russian missile-carrying ship with sea drone
by Dinara Khalilova and The Kyiv Independent news desk
September 15, 2023 6:09 PM
2 min read

Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) used a sea surface drone nicknamed "Sea Baby" to strike a Russian missile-carrying hovercraft, a corvette Samum, the Ukrainian media outlet New Voice reported on Sept. 15, citing its sources in the SBU.

The ship, which belongs to Russia's Black Sea Fleet, was attacked while sailing into the Sevastopol Bay in Russian-occupied Crimea on Sept. 14, the New Voice wrote.

According to the media outlet’s sources, the drone struck the right side of the hovercraft’s rear, “causing significant damage” to the ship, and the crew was forced to tow it for repairs.

"Sea Baby" is an experimental model of a naval drone capable of operating in storms and hiding from detection behind big waves, the sources from the SBU told New Voice. The waves reportedly reached 1.5-2 meters in height during the operation.

Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry claimed that its forces had destroyed a Ukrainian naval drone attempting to attack a Samum hovercraft on the afternoon of Sept. 14. Samum is one of the largest sea combat vehicles with a catamaran design.

On the same day, Ukrainian strikes damaged two Russian patrol ships, Vasily Bykov, in the southwestern part of the Black Sea, according to the Ukrainian military's Strategic Communications Directorate.

The Black Sea has seen an escalation of hostilities following Russia's unilateral termination of the grain deal.

As Russia began targeting Ukraine's ports and agricultural infrastructure, Russian officials have also reported on a number of alleged Ukrainian strikes against targets in occupied Crimea and Russian naval bases.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Majorian posted:

I love that saying the Iraq War was about oil (among other material incentives) is a "conspiracy," and not, you know, something that happened in the open.

It's not like the alternative is much better! Trying to actually do regime change because it's the New American Century and gently caress you is basically just as immoral and way stupider

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/72277

quote:

Question: If I may, one more question. A broad discussion arose – again at the Eastern Economic Forum – over the possibility of peace talks between Russia and Ukraine and [US Secretary of State Antony] Blinken’s statement that “it takes two to tango” about Russia and Ukraine. How do you assess the prospects for talks?

Vladimir Putin: As for the Americans, they do not even know how to tango, they have a tendency to – for all the wonderful, amazing music, and beautiful movements – the United States is trying to approach everything from a position of force: through economic sanctions, or financial restrictions, or threats to use military force, and actually using it. They are lecturing others even though they have no idea how to do it and do not want to. Most likely, they just do not want to. This is the first point.

Second, I already said that we have never refused to hold talks. So, please, if the other party wants them, they should say so directly. I am speaking about it but the other side keeps silent.

Finally, tango is good, of course… I think Ukraine should not forget about its gopak dance. It is important, otherwise they will keep dancing to someone else’s tune. And by the way, everyone will have to perform the barynya dance or, in the best-case scenario, the kazachok.

lol, putin with the wordplay.

quote:

Alexander Lukashenko: They sort of started dancing and held three rounds of talks in Belarus, then in Istanbul, and then [US Secretary of State Antony] Blinken and [US Secretary of Defence Lloyd] Austin told Zelensky…

Vladimir Putin: Gave a command, and that was it.

Alexander Lukashenko: Gave a command and he prohibited them to hold talks. The facts are on the table, they are obvious. So, they should not blame anyone.

Vladimir Putin: He signed a decree prohibiting talks.

Alexander Lukashenko: Exactly, they forbade themselves.

i actually missed this decree
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-decree-rules-out-ukraine-talks-with-putin-impossible-2022-10-04/

quote:

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy signed a decree on Tuesday formally declaring the prospect of any Ukrainian talks with Kremlin leader Vladimir Putin "impossible", but leaving the door open to talks with Russia.

im gonna declare something impossible but leave the door open

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

But have you considered whether the child murdered by the driver of that truck was riding an oversized bike?!?! Children riding oversized bikes are the scourge of our roadways!!

fizzy posted:

Despite concerns for his safety following the invasion, Zelenskyy chose to stay in Ukraine.

"I told them this is my choice. And I can't do it any other way," Zelenskyy told 60 Minutes through a translator. "I'm the president of my country. I'm the president of our people. And even if I wasn't president, I would have stayed here. [My family] understood. Not only understood, but fully supported my decision. Fully."

He flies all over the world begging for money and weapons. He hasn't stayed in Ukraine at all! :mad:

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Dokapon Findom posted:

He flies all over the world begging for money and weapons. He hasn't stayed in Ukraine at all! :mad:

in not too long the only places he will be staying at are villas in Italy and Southern France

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


crepeface posted:

im gonna declare something impossible but leave the door open

I mean, its dumb, but i get what Z's decree means by "we won't negotiate with putin, but if he's no longer in the picture... wink wink, we would be willing to talk to the new leaders".

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Tom Guycot posted:

I mean, its dumb, but i get what Z's decree means by "we won't negotiate with putin, but if he's no longer in the picture... wink wink, we would be willing to talk to the new leaders".

does the decree mention putin?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
remember folks this war is about democracy!

https://twitter.com/mazmhussain/status/1703560152337486095?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

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Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010
What poor idiot leaks documents to the intercept. You may as well send them to langley with your return address

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