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SplitSoul posted:Well yes, but this is apparently a big revelation to some and there's a new documentary out. Thankfully it's in the past now, everyone can move on and heal. Did you ever watch the movie "Armadillo", about the Danes in ISAF? e: Coalition trivia, Danes loved to tell everyone that the Pashtun respected them because some of the Danish redheads could grow big red beards. They said that the Human Terrain Project had identified a red beard as a mark of honour in Pashtun society and recommended that other ISAF members relax grooming standards to do the same thing. Dying your beard red is a sign you've been on the Hajj. There is no way that the respect awarded poor Afghans who had been able to travel all the way to Mecca was transferred to rich foreign occupiers who happened to have red hair. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 23:21 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Bombing Russian soldiers seems like a bad idea
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What's a few soldiers, aircraft, or MSF hospitals between friends?
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Stairmaster posted:Bombing Russian soldiers seems like a bad idea The Russians just packed up and left, is what the reports looked like. No injuries or fatalities. There's a chance the Azeris bombed an empty base.
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The weeks leading up the the Azeri invasion had Amerians protesting the Russian peacekeepers and even blocking a humanitarian corridor they were supposed to open up. Seems like a bad idea to drive off the tripwire blocking your neighbor from war. Especially since there is no way NATO will tell Turkey and Israel to cut support for Azerbaijan.
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Yadoppsi posted:The weeks leading up the the Azeri invasion had Amerians protesting the Russian peacekeepers and even blocking a humanitarian corridor they were supposed to open up. Seems like a bad idea to drive off the tripwire blocking your neighbor from war. Especially since there is no way NATO will tell Turkey and Israel to cut support for Azerbaijan. The liberal Colour Revolution NGO set just do whatever DC wants, so thinks like that make more sense when you frame it like that instead of trying to work out if it's a good idea
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Stairmaster posted:Bombing Russian soldiers seems like a bad idea they did this last time too, lol
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Yadoppsi posted:The weeks leading up the the Azeri invasion had Amerians protesting the Russian peacekeepers and even blocking a humanitarian corridor they were supposed to open up. Seems like a bad idea to drive off the tripwire blocking your neighbor from war. Especially since there is no way NATO will tell Turkey and Israel to cut support for Azerbaijan. Regarding the "humanitarian corridor" - someone can correct me if I'm getting something wrong here, but my understanding is the Armenians agreed to open the route through Askeran in exchange for the Azeris opening the Lachin corridor: OhFunny posted:Deal reached to open roads to Azerbaijan's breakaway Karabakh region quote:TBILISI (Reuters) - Ethnic Armenian authorities in Azerbaijan's breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh agreed on Saturday to let in aid shipments from Baku-held territory for the first time in decades, in return for the restoration of road links to Armenia. However, on the Azeri side they immediately said that actually the Lachin route would remain closed after all, so the Armenians blocked the Askeran route again. Why block the Askeran route in this case? Well, perhaps the Armenians were expecting an attack from Azerbaijan Flavahbeast has issued a correction as of 01:56 on Sep 20, 2023 |
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Yadoppsi posted:The weeks leading up the the Azeri invasion had Amerians protesting the Russian peacekeepers and even blocking a humanitarian corridor they were supposed to open up. Seems like a bad idea to drive off the tripwire blocking your neighbor from war. Especially since there is no way NATO will tell Turkey and Israel to cut support for Azerbaijan. Why do Liberals want to destroy their countries for the strategic goals of the United States?
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KomradeX posted:Why do Liberals want to destroy their countries for the strategic goals of the United States? NGO positions are the best paying professional jobs for educated, professional, liberals in their societies, is my understanding.
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KomradeX posted:Why do Liberals want to destroy their countries for the strategic goals of the United States? Both the positions, but there is some vague expectation that their country will join the EU and suddenly make it "first world" and that is worth driving it into a wall. Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007, it has a GDP per capita in PPP terms of around 27k in 2022. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 02:07 on Sep 20, 2023 |
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Ardennes posted:Both the positions, but there is some vague expectation that their country will join the EU and suddenly make it "first world" and that is worth driving it into a wall. Like I get they're liberals so they're allergic to material analysis, but its been 30 years this hasnt worked out for a single country and instead, especially in Europe all the countries that got the Liberal NGO special are now hotbeds of modern Nazism. How do they not even accidentally notice this
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Maximo Roboto posted:First goodwill tour artist once the Taliban opens up rich mans east of yerevan
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KomradeX posted:Why do Liberals want to destroy their countries for the strategic goals of the United States? Ever heard of the phrase "he'd sell his own mother" used to describe a conniving weasel?
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DancingShade posted:Ever heard of the phrase "he'd sell his own mother" used to describe a conniving weasel? Point taken
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Yadoppsi posted:The weeks leading up the the Azeri invasion had Amerians protesting the Russian peacekeepers and even blocking a humanitarian corridor they were supposed to open up. Seems like a bad idea to drive off the tripwire blocking your neighbor from war. Especially since there is no way NATO will tell Turkey and Israel to cut support for Azerbaijan. The protests were not about getting Russia's peacekeeping force to leave. They were to put some pressure on them to end the blockade. Artsakh protesters march towards Russian peacekeeping checkpoint to demand dispersal of Azeris blocking corridor quote:Artsakh of Tomorrow party president Tigran Petrosyan, one of the initiators of the protest, said that the demonstrators will march to the Stepanakert Memorial to honor the fallen troops of the Artsakh wars and then to the checkpoint of the Russian peacekeeping contingent on the Stepanakert-Shushi road to demand them to disperse the Azerbaijanis blocking the corridor. or to escort them. Protesters in Nagorno-Karabakh gather outside Russian peacekeeping contingent’s HQ, block entrance quote:Artur Osipyan, one of the leaders of the demonstrators who are united under a group calling itself the People’s Movement for Unblocking the Corridor, told ARMENPRESS correspondent Van Novikov that their goal is to lift the blockade of Lachin Corridor and that they are calling on the Russian peacekeepers to ensure the safety of a caravan which they plan to organize in the direction of Hakari bridge in a peaceful demonstration.
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KomradeX posted:Why do Liberals want to destroy their countries for the strategic goals of the United States? Filthy lucre, op.
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KomradeX posted:Why do Liberals want to destroy their countries for the strategic goals of the United States? just made me remember how they were close to doing another color revolution in georgia because georgia was trying to pass the same foreign transparency law that the eu just passed a few weeks before lol
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Russia abandoned Armenia before Pashinyan's recent flirtation with the West, so it's pretty ridiculous to say this is his fault. Maybe he could have been a better Russian client before the second Karabakh war, but letting Azerbaijan attack de jure Armenian territory last year without any consequence despite Armenia being a member of CSTO didn't really give Armenia any hope that Russia was ever going to meaningfully back them against Azerbaijan again. Maybe it's just because Russia's been a little busy bogging themselves down in their own bullshit for the last year and a half and they don't have the bandwidth to deal with other problems anymore, but I think it's also that Russia, like pretty much everyone else, thinks Azerbaijan's the more important country of the two, and even if they haven't they aren't going to tank their relationship with Turkey over Armenia. It looks like Azerbaijan even killed some Russians after all, but it's going to get swept under the rug because ultimately this is an issue Russia prefers to see resolved now.
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jpmeyer posted:just made me remember how they were close to doing another color revolution in georgia because georgia was trying to pass the same foreign transparency law that the eu just passed a few weeks before lol lol that could not have been more transparent. A near-colour revolution over a law that's only effect would be... exposing the architecture of colour revolutions.
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i say swears online posted:rich mans east of yerevan Rich Farmers between the Tigres and Euphrates.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Russia abandoned Armenia before Pashinyan's recent flirtation with the West, so it's pretty ridiculous to say this is his fault. Maybe he could have been a better Russian client before the second Karabakh war, but letting Azerbaijan attack de jure Armenian territory last year without any consequence despite Armenia being a member of CSTO didn't really give Armenia any hope that Russia was ever going to meaningfully back them against Azerbaijan again. Maybe it's just because Russia's been a little busy bogging themselves down in their own bullshit for the last year and a half and they don't have the bandwidth to deal with other problems anymore, but I think it's also that Russia, like pretty much everyone else, thinks Azerbaijan's the more important country of the two, and even if they haven't they aren't going to tank their relationship with Turkey over Armenia. It looks like Azerbaijan even killed some Russians after all, but it's going to get swept under the rug because ultimately this is an issue Russia prefers to see resolved now. The EU has already made a deal with the Azeris for oil shortly after the Russian/Ukrainian war started and they're not going to do anything to endanger that. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/18/eu-signs-deal-with-azerbaijan-to-double-gas-imports-by-2027
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Honestly seeing the way this thread dogpiled on Pasinyan and Armenians in general feels like a preprogrammed response. All the circumstances added up to Armenia being totally hosed, which Pasinyan admitted as much when they lost the last war. If the Russians weren't going to do anything then what else were they supposed to do? Maybe making overtures to the west could've induced Moscow to do something. There just were no good choices to make. The entire geopolitical deck was stacked against them because, like Georgia, Armenia ultimately has nothing to offer the western world while Azerbaijan has oil and natural gas.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Honestly seeing the way this thread dogpiled on Pasinyan and Armenians in general feels like a preprogrammed response. All the circumstances added up to Armenia being totally hosed, which Pasinyan admitted as much when they lost the last war. If the Russians weren't going to do anything then what else were they supposed to do? Maybe making overtures to the west could've induced Moscow to do something. There just were no good choices to make. The entire geopolitical deck was stacked against them because, like Georgia, Armenia ultimately has nothing to offer the western world while Azerbaijan has oil and natural gas. Oh come on, Pashinyan provoked Baku by sending settlers in, then when the Azerbaijans attacked, he refused to send forces in. He also knew that the CSTO treaty didn't include Karabakh as well, and the Russians would only be able to defend Armenia proper's territory by request. In the latest assault, he didn't even lift a finger. The entire time he has blamed the Russians because he thinks he will get a sweetheart deal from DC but he has been backing his country into the corner. Iran has largely had enough of this, and while Russia has to play with Yerevan with kid gloves, the Iranians have made it clear the Azerbaijans are only going so far and they are going to go in if Azerbaijan moves.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:The only way forward is a greater persia ahura mazda willing
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Ardennes posted:Oh come on, Pashinyan provoked Baku by sending settlers in, then when the Azerbaijans attacked, he refused to send forces in. He also knew that the CSTO treaty didn't include Karabakh as well, and the Russians would only be able to defend Armenia proper's territory by request. This is pathetic, you used to be more honest. Russia didn't do poo poo for the last two years while Azerbaijan blockaded Karabakh, or when they occupied territory in Armenia proper in Syunik and Gegharkunik, even when Armenia tried to formally invoke the CSTO treaty. Russia gave up on Armenia because it suits Russia, not because Armenia wanted to throw off the only shield it thought it had against what's happened. Everyone who criticizes the EU and US for talking about how they stand for democracies against dictatorships while giving the most anodyne statements of protest possible for this is absolutely right, but it's pretty sad if you've talked yourself into the Russian corner so hard that you can't even say the same when they leave their ally out in the cold. If there's anything to criticize Armenia for, it's not realizing which way the wind was blowing soon enough to try to negotiate some kind of climb down with Azerbaijan years ago, before the facts on the ground were so apparent.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Russia abandoned Armenia before Pashinyan's recent flirtation with the West, so it's pretty ridiculous to say this is his fault. Maybe he could have been a better Russian client before the second Karabakh war, but letting Azerbaijan attack de jure Armenian territory last year without any consequence despite Armenia being a member of CSTO didn't really give Armenia any hope that Russia was ever going to meaningfully back them against Azerbaijan again. Maybe it's just because Russia's been a little busy bogging themselves down in their own bullshit for the last year and a half and they don't have the bandwidth to deal with other problems anymore, but I think it's also that Russia, like pretty much everyone else, thinks Azerbaijan's the more important country of the two, and even if they haven't they aren't going to tank their relationship with Turkey over Armenia. It looks like Azerbaijan even killed some Russians after all, but it's going to get swept under the rug because ultimately this is an issue Russia prefers to see resolved now. Azerbaijan will host the Eurovision within a year of the Second Armenian Genocide wrapping up
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