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I know Dave literally said that ticket sales don't really matter to the financial future of the company and he's right, they don't, but doesn't he also usually say that the best indicator of how hot a promotion is is it's ticket sales?
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MJeff posted:I know Dave literally said that ticket sales don't really matter to the financial future of the company and he's right, they don't, but doesn't he also usually say that the best indicator of how hot a promotion is is it's ticket sales? IIRC I think Dave pointed to ticket sales being a sign of WWE being an extremely hot company, we all rolled our eyes because 'lmao dave loves roman' or whatnot, and then WWE has spent basically the entire time since then watching their TV ratings rise despite TV in general continuing to drop like a rock.
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MJeff posted:I know Dave literally said that ticket sales don't really matter to the financial future of the company and he's right, they don't, but doesn't he also usually say that the best indicator of how hot a promotion is is it's ticket sales? Yes, but it's also a sort of outdated metric because all AEW really needs to do to succeed is keep being better than *Checks notes* Pardon the Interruption and Desperate Housewives. People can do the Impact "1.0, 1.1, 1.0" meme all they want but there was never a point where that was good enough for Impact/TNA to be anywhere near the top program of the night across all of cable. In the current environment it pays to be on top of a mountain of poo poo and that's why AEW is probably the best positioned "secondary promotion" in the "when the primary promotion is hot, the secondary promotion struggles" narrative that there's ever been. Pylons fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Sep 16, 2023 |
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MJeff posted:I know Dave literally said that ticket sales don't really matter to the financial future of the company and he's right, they don't, but doesn't he also usually say that the best indicator of how hot a promotion is is it's ticket sales? Popularity is one factor in ticket sales and the fact that they give us a hard number means we can use them to measure popularity in some way, but it's still only one factor. You can say WWE's sales increase was a direct result of their popularity because everything else about their tickets was basically the same as usual. AEW has other factors affecting ticket sales (price increases), so you can't use it as a barometer the same way. Correlation does not equal causation and all that.
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WWE ticket prices are similar or even higher than AEW's right now. One of the reasons AEW raised it's price is it saw what WWE was charging and wanted that money.
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It was probably too early for AEW to go full fleece mode, but we'll see how it works out for them.
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As a person who flies to PPVs and gets floor seats I would like cheaper tickets. Ticketmaster is a major cause for the inflation of prices. I got front row for Wrestledream for $500 so I don’t think it’s too bad of a price, but not sure how it compares to the rest of the arena. For Forbidden door it was about $250 per ticket midway up the first bowl. In 2020 I remember getting first row for $90 for Dynamite.
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Ticketmaster sucks so much poo poo, and it sucks equally that there's no other way to buy first-run tickets for stuff other than Ticketmaster. It really is a drag that they've been allowed to get away with charging their insane fees on everything for so long.
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Ganso Bomb posted:Ticketmaster sucks so much poo poo, and it sucks equally that there's no other way to buy first-run tickets for stuff other than Ticketmaster. It really is a drag that they've been allowed to get away with charging their insane fees on everything for so long. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the problem that those insane fees get split between ticketmaster and the venue? So venues don't necessarily have a reason to go with another ticket provider. Like just as an experiment I went online to see about getting indoor football tickets for this weekend. Low demand, still plenty of seats, only 20 bucks. Each ticket has a 7 dollar service fee on top. Then 7 more bucks if I want to get insurance for the ticket. So I'm between 54 and 68 bucks for two people what's advertised as a 20 dollar ticket.
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ZHamburglar posted:As a person who flies to PPVs and gets floor seats I would like cheaper tickets. Ticketmaster is a major cause for the inflation of prices.
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A Fancy Hat posted:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the problem that those insane fees get split between ticketmaster and the venue? So venues don't necessarily have a reason to go with another ticket provider.
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A Fancy Hat posted:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the problem that those insane fees get split between ticketmaster and the venue? So venues don't necessarily have a reason to go with another ticket provider. It stinks!
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A Fancy Hat posted:
This is actually the worst for me. Can't tell you how many times I've taken the hit on covering ticketmaster fees and other dumb bullshit when trying to see wrestling with my casual friends. Like yeah, remember when I was getting a head count and said tickets were 60 each? Sorry boys it's now 105 each. Still excited to go?
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Ibexaz posted:This is actually the worst for me. Can't tell you how many times I've taken the hit on covering ticketmaster fees and other dumb bullshit when trying to see wrestling with my casual friends. The three things we need for better ticket buying -All In pricing is the law. Fans don't need to know a break down of how the fees work with how they reach the final price. No other industry does this poo poo to this level. -Make it mandatory for ticket selling companies to offer a fan-to-fan ticket resale marketplace at face value. No more paying fees twice on the same ticket just because someone can't go the the show anymore. -Eliminating dynamite pricing where a ticket can never be sold by an original vendor for higher than the face value. You can lower the price if nobody buys it, but you can't make it go up because a show is selling out fast. Seriously, gently caress dynamic pricing. I can't count the amount of times I've tried to get tickets, get the "oops, somebody already selected that seat!" and then go back to the ticket map and the empty seat next to it is now 10x the face value a matter of minutes after tickets going on sale. gently caress that poo poo.
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we should have let eddie vedder kill them all
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Ganso Bomb posted:Ticketmaster sucks so much poo poo, and it sucks equally that there's no other way to buy first-run tickets for stuff other than Ticketmaster. It really is a drag that they've been allowed to get away with charging their insane fees on everything for so long. Way past time for the feds to regulate them like the airlines, the fees are out of control A Fancy Hat posted:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the problem that those insane fees get split between ticketmaster and the venue? So venues don't necessarily have a reason to go with another ticket provider. Depends, some venues charge separately. Either way those fees don't go to the artists, or AEW in this case
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maruhkati posted:we should have let eddie vedder kill them all Or this, preferably.
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Tank the tech has a really good video on the vertical integration of Ticketmaster/livenation. They own all the venues, all the ticket services and all the merch companies. The reason they behave the way they do is that the government failed to prevent mergers that gave them a monopoly in live events.
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The Taylor Swift presale disaster did prompt some initial inquiries into Ticketmaster's practices but alas nothing seems to have come of it.
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Maxwell Lord posted:The Taylor Swift presale disaster did prompt some initial inquiries into Ticketmaster's practices but alas nothing seems to have come of it. Ticketmaster probably made sure all the politicians and their friends got the tickets they wanted so it would die down.
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Van Andel looks like it's gonna be kinda empty this weekend, which is nuts considering the matches they've already booked https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1703435334149673417?t=l82c73iaC-kAhT5f9p2_Ew&s=19 Crowd was pretty weak last time with twice as many people The Taxman fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Sep 20, 2023 |
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The Taxman posted:Van Andel looks like it's gonna be kinda empty this weekend, which is nuts considering the matches they've already booked I'm curious to see movement on this one since this post was on Sunday morning, probably before a good chunk of the people who DVRed Collision had watched it.
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The Taxman posted:Van Andel looks like it's gonna be kinda empty this weekend, which is nuts considering the matches they've already booked yikes
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A Fancy Hat posted:Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the problem that those insane fees get split between ticketmaster and the venue? So venues don't necessarily have a reason to go with another ticket provider. Ticketmaster own most of the venues. Those fees are going to themselves (Yes it's slightly more complicated because the fees are probably earmarked for venue operating costs but still.) Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Sep 20, 2023 |
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Collision had stable demo, overall audience grew nicely.quote:Backstage promos; Big Bill & Ricky Starks vs. Bryan Danielson & Claudio Castagnoli (thru PiP ads) 442K/.16
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Pylons posted:I'm curious to see movement on this one since this post was on Sunday morning, probably before a good chunk of the people who DVRed Collision had watched it. I've been scoping out the map waiting to buy a ticket and it's not much different.
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https://twitter.com/sportstvratings/status/1706672358700773639?s=46 against ohio state - notre dame that’s pretty good
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Astro7x posted:Seriously, gently caress dynamic pricing. I can't count the amount of times I've tried to get tickets, get the "oops, somebody already selected that seat!" and then go back to the ticket map and the empty seat next to it is now 10x the face value a matter of minutes after tickets going on sale. gently caress that poo poo.
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/sportstvratings/status/1706672358700773639?s=46 More like very considering what a barnburner the game turned out to be
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Wow, you're telling me no one is buying tickets for a show currently consisting of Toni Storm vs Kiera Hogan and FTR vs Ricky Starks and Big Bill? I'm curious what the ratings are going to be for Rampage this week. That may have been the least interesting card I've ever seen AEW put on. But it's a competitive category lately.
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1glitch0 posted:Wow, you're telling me no one is buying tickets for a show currently consisting of Toni Storm vs Kiera Hogan and FTR vs Ricky Starks and Big Bill? They also announced Eddie Kingston vs. Komander and Bryan Danielson vs. Kyle Fletcher.
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Pylons posted:They also announced Eddie Kingston vs. Komander and Bryan Danielson vs. Kyle Fletcher. On Rampage?
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1glitch0 posted:On Rampage? Yes.
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Pylons posted:Yes. I think they really need to promote those matches earlier than 10pm the night before the Saturday show. People make plans.
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Also while it's kinda of a lame PLE they are going up against a WWE show. They need to promote more and probably have a few PPV level matches to fight against it
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https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1710614243727331688 https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1710309177459937692 https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1710662265232310644 https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1710426053351461097 lomzus fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Oct 7, 2023 |
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At what point are they losing money by running events on the road and are better off having a home base back at Daily's Place and only running PPVs on the road? Taking a 20k seat arena, setting it up for a quarter of that at best, and then barely hitting half of that mark has to be a cash sink.
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