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endocriminologist posted:Every gang member I've ever met has been incredibly unfunny and weird but I prefer them to constant surveillance I know that constant surveillance is not the good solution. But at the same time it sure feels good to have that when you can see with your own eyes how the gangs move indoor and away from the playground at the sound of a chopper and how much of an impact random surveillance cameras had in nailing the perpetrators for one of the nearby murders (which btw left blood stains on the way to preschool that was visible for weeks!).
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V. Illych L. posted:i think it's perfectly reasonable to get spooked by ongoing and open extreme violence in one's neighbourhood even if the probability of being murdered randomly is statistically insignificant
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While surveillance has its place in particular situations (like “who loving shot someone? Check the tapes”, reasonable!), I trust this government, and others with power, as far as I can throw them. What I fear most is that the violence will lead to further intrusive measures towards specific groups that have little do to with the actual gangs in question. Though to be entirely fair, it’s safe to say said groups have likely been hosed around with already, independent of the current wave of violence. Weren’t the warning flags of this very thing being raised over a decade ago? It feels like it was left to fester until we got to this point. Not to mention the related issues to gang violence being shrugged at, if not ignored. I also loving hate helicopters, albeit for an unrelated libertarian socialist/crotchety old lady reason.
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endocriminologist posted:I'm joining transkriget on the side of the trans  teen witch posted:Look 2% of all trains detrainsition back to cars (also they may be autistic)  Revelation 2-13 posted:Granted he is mostly talking about outrageous pronouns and gender quotas, but occasionally drifts into lax Swedish immigration laws and crime. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 18, 2023 |
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lol https://nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2023-09-18-centrale-papirer-fra-danske-bank-i-hvidvasksag-er-pist-vaek quote:Dokumenterne skulle ifølge investorerne kunne belyse omfanget af, hvad topledelsen i Danske Bank har vidst om omfanget af hvidvask [...]
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https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/gEeRQL/stenergard-och-akesson-i-utspel-om-migration Goddamn do I hate that man. Zero soul. Just an empty whooshing.
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V. Illych L. posted:
Impossible. This close to the next election? Would be suicide for Høyre. Who do they have that's high enough profile to lie convincingly about compassionate capitalism and the inherent cost savings of insider trading?
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Nice piece of fish posted:Impossible. This close to the next election? Would be suicide for Høyre. Who do they have that's high enough profile to lie convincingly about compassionate capitalism and the inherent cost savings of insider trading? they don't have anyone in particular - imo the heir would likely be søreide or asheim, with søreide as a substantially stronger bet. they do not have anyone with the gravitas of erna solberg, though. what they do have is a strong PR department who can likely do a pretty decent job with any of the candidates
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BonHair posted:No one is saying you're not allowed to feel unsafe. I'm saying that your feeling of safety is not 1:1 related to your actual safety. For example, I'm pretty sure you feel safer from cars than criminals, even though cars are probably killing more people. you’re actually much, much more likely to be shot to death in Sweden than killed by a car as a pedestrian (around 5 times more likely) or a cyclist (around 7 times more likely)
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I'm sure it'll come as a great relief to everyone that Høire has investigated how Høire and the leader of Høire acted with regards to the whole stock-trading scandal, and that Høire has done everything correctly. Hooray! I, for one, am glad that we can now put all this behind us and move on. https://borsen.dagbladet.no/nyheter/hoyre-dette-er-tidslinja/80221886
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Charles Ingalls posted:you’re actually much, much more likely to be shot to death in Sweden than killed by a car as a pedestrian (around 5 times more likely) or a cyclist (around 7 times more likely) 63 dead by use of firearms in 2022 (https://bra.se/statistik/statistik-om-brottstyper/mord-och-drap.html) And 66 (out of a total of 220) dead in traffic accidents in the following relevant categories: Bicyclists: 20 Electric kickbike: 4 Pedestrians: 26 Mopedists: 11 Misc: 5 (https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/Nyhetsarkiv/2023/fler-miste-livet-i-vagtrafiken-under-20222/) Potrzebie fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Sep 19, 2023 |
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Potrzebie posted:63 dead by use of firearms in 2022 (https://bra.se/statistik/statistik-om-brottstyper/mord-och-drap.html) so about 2.5 times more likely to be shot than ran over if you're out walking
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Crespolini posted:so about 2.5 times more likely to be shot than ran over if you're out walking Assuming you specifically are equally likely to get shot and ran over. I would think gun deaths are more targeted, either gang related or domestic violence related (or hunting related?), while traffic is more random based on location and time of day. But yeah, I definitely thought cars killed more people.
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Crespolini posted:so about 2.5 times more likely to be shot than ran over if you're out walking There is no statistics on "getting shot while out walking" so no. BonHair posted:But yeah, I definitely thought cars killed more people. 220 people last year. Nollvisionen not doing so great.
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TLM3101 posted:I'm sure it'll come as a great relief to everyone that Høire has investigated how Høire and the leader of Høire acted with regards to the whole stock-trading scandal, and that Høire has done everything correctly. I don’t think E24 is too impressed https://e24.no/norsk-oekonomi/i/wAj4qd/fikk-samme-aksjespoersmaal-syv-ganger-uten-aa-svare
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Potrzebie posted:There is no statistics on "getting shot while out walking" so no. doesn't have to be, since i worded my statement with extreme cleverness. BonHair posted:Assuming you specifically are equally likely to get shot and ran over. i am.
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Can I get the stats on being run over and THEN shot also I am inexplicably on a bike
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teen witch posted:Can I get the stats on being run over and THEN shot Bikepostin'
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ulvir posted:I don’t think E24 is too impressed https://e24.no/norsk-oekonomi/i/wAj4qd/fikk-samme-aksjespoersmaal-syv-ganger-uten-aa-svare they could so absolutely have pushed a story on what they had on the 8th of september and it was bang-on absolutely certain that not doing so involved some level of editorial decision aftenpoften owe peggy følsvik an apology, which they're of course not going to give because they exist entirely within their own arses
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Potrzebie posted:220 people last year. Nollvisionen not doing so great. Nollvisionen always meant 'noll döda bilägare.'
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So Danish soldiers in Helmand reported to their superiors that their Afghan allies were doing summary executions and raping kids within earshot of them and the response was  , they had debated it with their British counterparts and decided not to intervene.Go team NATO! 
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V. Illych L. posted:they could so absolutely have pushed a story on what they had on the 8th of september and it was bang-on absolutely certain that not doing so involved some level of editorial decision they have a nanometer thin veneer of “well it was all unconfirmed” to handwave behind
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big ups to Høyre for getting away with this bullshit, they get to keep their stale queen regent that’s closing in on twenty loving years as a leader. nothing says new solutions and innovations like never even considering changing leadership, not even when less than 35% of the population has explicit faith in her
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nah i think that she will fall. it's trivial now for a minimally competent centre-left to keep using her as a lightning rod. it will become insupportable imo. it's very possible that she gets to simply not stand for reelection as party leader rather than resigning in disgrace, but if she stays she's going to be a burden for the party with all the obvious questions she can be posed
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Beeswax posted:The gang violence situation is obviously dire on a societal level, but I don't feel personally threatened by it. Malmö goon here too. Have heard several bombs, very much not fearing for my life and not feeling more at danger now than before. If you are in a criminal network, you are more likely than in a long time to be faced with violence. A new aspect is also that if you're not personally involved in criminal activities, merely being related to a gang criminal means that you are now more likely to be a victim. Vendettas among gang criminals are to a larger degree than before directed at relatives of the targets. That said, you're still a thousand times more likely to be hurt by a traffic accident than gang or terror violence if you are not involved in a criminal network. I feel like the general mood in Malmö is better now than it was a few years ago, when car burnings was a regular occurance and there was an active gang war. That war has mostly died down. One reason you see so much more about it in media now is that it is happening more in cities closer to Stockholm, which means that It Matters in a way that it didn't in Swedish national media when similar waves of violence has happened around Gothenburg or down here in Malmö.
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Probably not the same, but I was bartending right in the middle of the HA/Blågårdsbanden war when that was a thing. I'd see them all the time and they either stayed away from or were unfailingly polite to civilians. It really is like two different worlds co-existing. Serving coffee to a meet between the two was pretty surreal. E: of course there were innocent bystanders hit by gunfire, which is loving terrible. It does have consequences - just not as often as the tabloids make it out to be
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Gang problems related to security are also not just you personally getting shot, it's having your local public facilities (gym, library, playgrounds) getting hijacked by shitheads who act like they own the place, it's getting mugged by the druggies that their sales spots attracts, it's being hit by their loving reckless driving, it's random vandalism like getting your car burnt up, it's witness suppression, it's all the lovely things associated with organized crime and dumb kids combined. My personal local favorite was the guys spray tagging their lame gang tag on our preschool and leaving a whole bunch of broken glass in the sandbox.
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TLM3101 posted:Well, yeah, no-one's very impressed. aftenposten is about the only national paper which hasn't straight-up adopted an explicit editorial line that she should go. wild that they're the most dogmatic H-loyalist out of all the papers, more than goddamn Nettavisen V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Sep 20, 2023 |
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Zudgemud posted:Gang problems related to security are also not just you personally getting shot, it's having your local public facilities (gym, library, playgrounds) getting hijacked by shitheads who act like they own the place, it's getting mugged by the druggies that their sales spots attracts, it's being hit by their loving reckless driving, it's random vandalism like getting your car burnt up, it's witness suppression, it's all the lovely things associated with organized crime and dumb kids combined. Yup. While I don’t feel personally at risk, this is a major concern for me
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Zudgemud posted:Gang problems related to security are also not just you personally getting shot, it's having your local public facilities (gym, library, playgrounds) getting hijacked by shitheads who act like they own the place, it's getting mugged by the druggies that their sales spots attracts, it's being hit by their loving reckless driving, it's random vandalism like getting your car burnt up, it's witness suppression, it's all the lovely things associated with organized crime and dumb kids combined. And also, finding a 13 year old or whatever dead in a ditch is horrifying. I'd like (hate) to see the person who can shrug that off just because the police suspect he was "involved" in drug dealing.
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Esran posted:https://nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2023-09-20-nu-har-vurderingsstyrelsen-gennemgaaet-mediernes-skraekeksempler-fejl-afvises-i-flere-tilfaelde Really though, those explanations seem pretty sensible, assuming it's actually true that local planning rules allow what they're suggesting. A huge parcel of land that can actually be developed should be able to be sold for quite a lot to people with the money to do that, even if the current owners don't have the means. Very much a "poo poo or get off the pot" type of system they've created though, to shift attractive properties into the hands of wealthy people.
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quote:I det tredje eksempel overstiger grundværdien langt ejendomsværdien. Yeah sure, let me just expand my decently-sized family home into a goddamn mansion, because apparently that's "economically optimal" or some paperclip dystopia bullshit. gently caress you for having a big garden, you should build some concrete highrises instead! KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Sep 21, 2023 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Denmark's 9/11. I get that it makes sense to pay a high tax if e.g. you have a huge property in the middle of town and you're preventing development of the land, but some of the plots they're talking about here are borderline rural or on the outskirts of town. It doesn't seem like they're taking into account whether building apartment buildings on the land would actually make sense, it sounds like they're just looking at whether the zoning technically allows for it.
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Potrzebie posted:220 people last year. Nollvisionen not doing so great. Speaking of nollvisioner, part of Sweden's gang problem pretty obviously stems from a drug policy that goes hard on eradicating drug use through punishment instead of harm reduction. Another consequence is that drug-related deaths are nearly four times as common (82/million inhabitants) as deaths due to traffic accidents (22/million inhabitants)
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