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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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The dumbest possible outcome would be the GOP shutting down the US government at the end of this month causing the money pipeline into Ukraine to stop and Ukraine to collapse. Biden admin would be secretly ecstatic to see the not only an end to the Ukraine quagmire, but also to be able to blame the loss on the GOP's treason.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:36
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Biden will likely violate the law to get the money to Ukraine. It's going there one way or another.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:37
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Subvisual Haze posted:The dumbest possible outcome would be the GOP shutting down the US government at the end of this month causing the money pipeline into Ukraine to stop and Ukraine to collapse. Biden admin would be secretly ecstatic to see the not only an end to the Ukraine quagmire, but also to be able to blame the loss on the GOP's treason. And Ukraine is split in 2 Germany style. It seems inevitable its such a stupid result.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:38
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there's nothing philosophical about rulers making decisions to keep themselves in power. that's why they're in power.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:38
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stephenthinkpad posted:Doesn't the US try color revolution in all of Russia's peripheral countries. I am reading up the Armenia 2018 "revolution" it gave a very familiar color revolution feel. Kazakhstan just weeks before the war started. And while Navalny might have been real or not, the reason he was successful was because he had support from Kremlin. Also while he was popular he was a lovely political organizers and couldn't organize any sort of political action besides just getting people to stand around and do nothing.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:40
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BillsPhoenix posted:Bit philosophical, but sure, in that case it was inevitable, but pre war there were other options, this war didn't have to happen. It's not philosophical to acknowledge that the last thirty years of human history lead to the things that happen today. When the west decided that the Russian oligarchs shouldn't be allowed to join the rest of the capitalist gangsters running the world they were also deciding that this confrontation had to happen eventually, due to how the mechanisms of imperial capitalist extraction work. The contradiction in interests has to be resolved eventually. The reason they made that decision might have been arrogance or leftover grudge-holding but the result is what matters.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:42
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Zodium posted:there's nothing philosophical about rulers making decisions to keep themselves in power. that's why they're in power. Sorry, in regards to inevitable. I can't really respond to your titans of east/west capitalism because I don't even sort of view this situation or the world that way. Example - Musk is far more obsessed with getting laid than materialism or what not.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:42
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Theoretically a lot can happen, but in reality, the West saw Russian weakness in Ukraine and was going to continue to exploit it and eventually the Russians were going to respond. Putin does deserve to get poo poo on for a bunch of poor decisions over the years, but even in his liberal brain, he eventually figured it out...a couple months after the invasion happened. As far as Navalny being backed by the Kremlin, it is wishful thinking because his entire movement fizzled. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 00:45 on Sep 21, 2023 |
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Sep 21, 2023 00:43
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Biden sought this conflict because he thought he could win I suppose
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Sep 21, 2023 00:43
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Slavvy posted:Lol I don't think we're really talking about the same thing. Soldiering isn't like a movie, I never saw combat even. The idea that I'd be sacrificed in some blunder of a battle maneuver with a peer foe honestly never crossed my mind, because it wasn't a possibility. What I'm saying is that if the army were more like a real job, with a more supportive bootcamp, it would encourage an overall workplace culture that combined with decent pay and benefits would see much higher rates of retention. People want to do the job, it is a good deal (if you remove moral implications), but the downright abusive training process turns away people that would otherwise be great for the job. After all this, I must say, don't join the army, just don't do it.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:44
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drat Russia was stupid as gently caress for ever agreeing to the grain deal
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Sep 21, 2023 00:44
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BillsPhoenix posted:Bit philosophical, but sure, in that case it was inevitable, but pre war there were other options, this war didn't have to happen. It's really more physical than philosophical, but I don't disagree with you. The war was both inevitable AND didn't have to happen. There were alternatives not pursued, and now we're on a timeline where there's indefinite trench warfare in eastern Ukraine.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:45
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The war was inevitable because it started in 2014. Can't just make the past unhappen.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:45
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BillsPhoenix posted:Bit philosophical, but sure, in that case it was inevitable, but pre war there were other options, this war didn't have to happen. I think what people are pointing out is that there were not really other options if you take the view that war is the continuation of politics and all peaceful resolutions had been refused. A path where Russia chooses not to go to war is one where they don’t feel they need to, but remember that no concessions have been made to them since this all began in the Orange Revolution. Russia chose to wait and see, a pro-Russian party gained power via electoral means, and then there was another colour revolution - this time with Nazis.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:45
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Subvisual Haze posted:The dumbest possible outcome would be the GOP shutting down the US government at the end of this month causing the money pipeline into Ukraine to stop and Ukraine to collapse. Biden admin would be secretly ecstatic to see the not only an end to the Ukraine quagmire, but also to be able to blame the loss on the GOP's treason. Yes, but this would require the dems to not gently caress up a gimmie
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Sep 21, 2023 00:46
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BillsPhoenix posted:Sorry, in regards to inevitable. I can't really respond to your titans of east/west capitalism because I don't even sort of view this situation or the world that way. Example - Musk is far more obsessed with getting laid than materialism or what not. Musk being an incompetent dipshit doesn't mean that he doesn't do the same things that other billionaires do, which is (try to) protect his own personal and class interests. Having a lot of money doesn't make him more important than the people who make meaningful decisions across the world. When the capitalists act as a group is when things matter. Musk's personal place in his class is to make tweets that make stock numbers go up and down, he does that just fine. I'm still curious as to what Russia should have done rather than invade, just let Ukraine kill every ethnic minority and Russian speaker in the country and keep building up their military until they invade Crimea?
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Sep 21, 2023 00:46
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sum posted:drat Russia was stupid as gently caress for ever agreeing to the grain deal It was there to appease Erdogan, but yeah, it seemed pretty marginal in. Russia just gets completely burned by even the more rudimentary deal they make with the West.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:47
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Ukraine has an effective population of 700,000 at this point, so many have fled Putin should be embarrassed he can't take the place.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:47
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BillsPhoenix posted:Sorry, in regards to inevitable. I can't really respond to your titans of east/west capitalism because I don't even sort of view this situation or the world that way. Example - Musk is far more obsessed with getting laid than materialism or what not. it doesn't matter what elon musk is obsessed with as long as he makes decisions that turn money into more money. what decisions will do that has nothing to do with elon musk.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:48
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Nonsense posted:Ukraine has an effective population of 700,000 at this point, so many have fled Has Russia had any major offenses in the last year? They seem happy to just sit and let Ukraine smash it's army on their defenses.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:52
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Granted, Musk's rise also happened in a low/zero rate environment where it was nearly impossible for very rich people to fail. His cars or rockets didn't need to work, he just needed enough people to believe in order to get some momentum in his stock price then bribe his way into government contracts. But it really isn't an indictment about Musk as much as broader American macroeconomic policy which has been open looting since the 80s and Musk is just another grifter.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:52
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Frosted Flake posted:I think what people are pointing out is that there were not really other options if you take the view that war is the continuation of politics and all peaceful resolutions had been refused. A Clausewitz quoting officer, my god man, let me guess, you wax your mustache. Mad respect FF.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:52
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Is it inevitable that the Korean war will resume? With the increasing relevance and resurfacing of the memory of it, I would say yes. If Korea isn't unified in a peaceful manner before some larger geopolitical event causes one of the two sides to act.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:53
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Right now Elon Musk is concerned with trying to squeeze blood from the stone of the "X" app and turn his 40 billion dollar loss into a profit. That's about as materialistic as it gets. The dumbass lives in the former twitter offices and is driving himself insane from lack of sleep.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:53
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I really think Putin is worried about spooking Biden . Biden is pretty unstable and senile
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Sep 21, 2023 00:53
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Right now Elon Musk is concerned with trying to squeeze blood from the stone of the "X" app and turn his 40 billion dollar loss into a profit. That's about as materialistic as it gets. The dumbass lives in the former twitter offices and is driving himself insane from lack of sleep. Again we're all waiting for him to do something incredibly hilarious
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Sep 21, 2023 00:54
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you could just not post about ti posters whose posts you don’t like look how many people never post about me
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Sep 21, 2023 00:55
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Nonsense posted:Biden will likely violate the law to get the money to Ukraine. It's going there one way or another. BillsPhoenix posted:And Ukraine is split in 2 Germany style. It seems inevitable its such a stupid result.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:55
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Money doesn't equate to capitalism. The US is barely capitalist, as the govt uses taxes to redistribute wealth to large corporations, like Boeing and Exxon. Money making money is part of class protection, but it's also part of GDP. GDP is not capitalism, it could've been a useful tool but it's mostly a metric the US can roll out to keep saying we're #1 or work harder, the GDP is in trouble. I don't see any of that relating much to the war.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:55
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Putin is holding out for new leadership, then he'll storm the place
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Sep 21, 2023 00:56
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Ok, time for a marxism thread intervention.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:57
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Virtual Russian posted:I don't think we're really talking about the same thing. Soldiering isn't like a movie, I never saw combat even. The idea that I'd be sacrificed in some blunder of a battle maneuver with a peer foe honestly never crossed my mind, because it wasn't a possibility. What I'm saying is that if the army were more like a real job, with a more supportive bootcamp, it would encourage an overall workplace culture that combined with decent pay and benefits would see much higher rates of retention. People want to do the job, it is a good deal (if you remove moral implications), but the downright abusive training process turns away people that would otherwise be great for the job. The big irony of this is that in the United States it was corporate culture that took its cues from the US army, because the Cold War maintained such an unusually high rate of mobilization that millions of men entered the private sector with military conditioning..
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Sep 21, 2023 00:57
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Lostconfused posted:Is it inevitable that the Korean war will resume? I have family there and they say no, it isn't possible. They treat the North like an annoyance, not a threat.
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Sep 21, 2023 00:59
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BillsPhoenix posted:Money doesn't equate to capitalism. Lostconfused posted:Ok, time for a marxism thread intervention.
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Sep 21, 2023 01:00
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BillsPhoenix posted:Money doesn't equate to capitalism. You've got a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of what capitalism is, probably you should read Lenin.
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Sep 21, 2023 01:00
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Lostconfused posted:Kazakhstan just weeks before the war started. I didn't say Kazakhstan because like Belarus, it has a "strong" government that cannot be easily pulled apart. It's likely that Putin used Navalny as a bait to dangle in front of foreign interference forces. Also used him to draw out the "simultaneous city protest" organizers. That doesn't mean Navalny was an Op. And the west still gets blamed for trying.
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Sep 21, 2023 01:01
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On the important question. Russia the state acted rationally. I don't have any good ideas on alternative options.
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Sep 21, 2023 01:01
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don't think we can help you.
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Sep 21, 2023 01:04
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Virtual Russian posted:I have family there and they say no, it isn't possible. They treat the North like an annoyance, not a threat. Granted, I wonder how much of it is the South attacking the North, but the other way around. It wouldn't be any time soon, North Korea would need at least another decade of build up and some type of air force.
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BillsPhoenix posted:The US is barely capitalist, as the govt uses taxes to redistribute wealth to large corporations, like Boeing and Exxon. counterpoint. the u.s. is 100% capitalist, it gives money to boeing and exxon because they own it and it serves their interests. the army, the cops and the bureaucracy all exist to serve the interests of capital
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