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the guy who coined "stroad" claims that there is a difference between a street and a road
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:the guy who coined "stroad" claims that there is a difference between a street and a road is he saying a street has intersections and a road does not?
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Sep 20, 2023 22:10
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:the guy who coined "stroad" claims that there is a difference between a street and a road are there not? anyway i believe the purpose was to come up with a useful term for discussion about lovely urban roads vs non-lovely urban roads, not to be strictly accurate. see also: junk food
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Sep 20, 2023 22:13
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my understanding is strictly speaking a road is just a general term that includes street, avenue, boulevard, drive, way, etc so yeah the strong towns people misused it but there isn't really a good way to split lovely street/avenues from non-lovely ones using existing terms
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Sep 20, 2023 22:15
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house is a machine for living
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Sep 20, 2023 22:42
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Cold on a Cob posted:my understanding is strictly speaking a road is just a general term that includes street, avenue, boulevard, drive, way, etc so yeah the strong towns people misused it but there isn't really a good way to split lovely street/avenues from non-lovely ones using existing terms I think the guy who coined it says that streets have business that open directly onto them, not into a parking lot or something else, think like in a downtown environment. they mix pedestrians, traffic, and businesses into a “common” space. roads are purely for automotive transportation, mostly just expanding the network, linking to neighborhoods (suburbs) and other towns or cities.
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Sep 20, 2023 22:50
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road(compare to the English verb ride) is Germanic and street is Latin with a connotation for paved. it literally means paved way
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Sep 20, 2023 22:51
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The strong towns guy is a crypto libertarian who thinks we'd have perfect cities if not for big government interference, i wouldnt put too much stock in what his dumb made up nonsense is
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Sep 20, 2023 23:08
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The Oldest Man posted:The strong towns guy is a crypto libertarian who thinks we'd have perfect cities if not for big government interference, i wouldnt put too much stock in what his dumb made up nonsense is yeah what he calls a "road" is a limited or controlled access freeway/highway dude's an urban planner and engineer he absolutely knows better than this (roadway is an extremely generic term in this field) but pushes his idiot nonsense anyway anyway the industry term is "complete streets" which is used to mean a roadway with sidewalks and bike lanes that accommodates multiple transportation modes beyond just the car, so he fucks up both parts of his dumbass term too
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Sep 20, 2023 23:35
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roadway is an interesting term. it’s completely redundant
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Sep 20, 2023 23:40
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Cold on a Cob posted:really though we should universally ban right turns on red. quoting for the new page. right on red has been responsible for the lion's share of my "gently caress I almost just died" moments on foot, drivers in america are simply too lovely to handle it
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Sep 21, 2023 08:44
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Left on red is a very rare exception here, for good reason. Right on red and 4 way stops no roundabouts is indicative of the United States' piss poor approach to infrastructure.
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Sep 21, 2023 11:34
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if you are walking try and make eye contact with the driver in the right hand lane . that’s what I do
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Sep 21, 2023 11:38
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i don't trust americans with access to roundabouts
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Sep 21, 2023 13:03
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i don't trust americans with access to roundabouts They'd implement them and soon after put stop signs in because they couldn't handle them. I ignored the stop signs, no one else did it was sweet.
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Sep 21, 2023 13:20
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i don't trust americans with access to roundabouts i used to think this but it's actually fine and much better than the alternative
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Sep 21, 2023 13:20
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they’re definitely better than T-intersections and arguably better than 4-way stops (because Americans can’t share and so cannot navigate them properly) but the number of times I’ve been going 3/4 the way around a roundabout and the person halfway across from me decides to just say “gently caress it” and attempt to merge their vehicle’s matter with my own is far too high.
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Sep 21, 2023 13:25
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Roundabouts are better on paper, but American's can't handle them at all. Everywhere I've seen them introduced they end up putting stoplights and stop-signs on them and even then there are constant accidents and people slamming into the center island
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Sep 21, 2023 13:44
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maybe the people where i live have been vaccinated against round abouts by jug handles
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Sep 21, 2023 13:56
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we have a bunch in cities near me and they're fine. no stoplights at them, haven't seen any accidents myself yet, haven't gotten run off the road yet either 
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Sep 21, 2023 15:42
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I have a friend who is a civil engineer working for the small town he lives in and he loves putting roundabouts everywhere because they work and also piss off the locals so it's a win/win.
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Sep 21, 2023 15:43
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roundabouts are cool because they dedicate even more land area to gods own favored creature, the automobile. why have a 4-way stop when we can pave 4x the area for the same effect but with the added bonus of completely blocking all intersecting roads when one exit gets backed up
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Sep 21, 2023 16:10
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Nothus posted:Roundabouts are better on paper, but American's can't handle them at all. Everywhere I've seen them introduced they end up putting stoplights and stop-signs on them and even then there are constant accidents and people slamming into the center island this is regional they work fine in the PNW. in Florida the old folks cause serious accidents at them and slam straight into the center island.
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Sep 21, 2023 16:13
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Jenny Agutter posted:roundabouts are cool because they dedicate even more land area to gods own favored creature, the automobile. why have a 4-way stop when we can pave 4x the area for the same effect but with the added bonus of completely blocking all intersecting roads when one exit gets backed up True. It does take more land to build a roundabout, but the data shows that traffic flows quicker compared to a intersection with stop signs/traffic lights. And from what I've seen locally, they tend to get built around areas that have little to no foot traffic because crossing one on foot sounds incredibly dangerous if not impossible.
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Sep 21, 2023 16:18
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The Oldest Man posted:The strong towns guy is a crypto libertarian who thinks we'd have perfect cities if not for big government interference, i wouldnt put too much stock in what his dumb made up nonsense is lol
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Jenny Agutter posted:roundabouts are cool because they dedicate even more land area to gods own favored creature, the automobile. why have a 4-way stop when we can pave 4x the area for the same effect but with the added bonus of completely blocking all intersecting roads when one exit gets backed up this is stupid logic. i'm sure the cut in emissions from interrupted flow in a four-way outstrips the harm of extra land dedication
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Sep 21, 2023 16:20
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poemdexter posted:I have a friend who is a civil engineer working for the small town he lives in and he loves putting roundabouts everywhere because they work and also piss off the locals so it's a win/win. Someone give this person a raise
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Sep 21, 2023 16:21
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i say swears online posted:this is stupid logic. i'm sure the cut in emissions from interrupted flow in a four-way outstrips the harm of extra land dedication this is a real argument used in favor of freeway expansion
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Sep 21, 2023 17:36
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poemdexter posted:True. It does take more land to build a roundabout, but the data shows that traffic flows quicker compared to a intersection with stop signs/traffic lights. And from what I've seen locally, they tend to get built around areas that have little to no foot traffic because crossing one on foot sounds incredibly dangerous if not impossible. Behold this roundabout with bus stops between the two traffic lanes https://maps.app.goo.gl/ruZFV4A7DxwCjr3z9?g_st=im 
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Sep 21, 2023 18:46
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Behold this roundabout with bus stops between the two traffic lanes relative to the size of roundabouts here that’s massive. ours are maybe a quarter of the size. (yes this does mean it looks like cars are constantly about to roll over with how fast some people take them.) e:  it’s barely bigger than the T intersection that used to exist before they built the neighborhood up top, and it’s basically the same size as the 4-way that would exist there. Red Baron has issued a correction as of 18:58 on Sep 21, 2023 |
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Sep 21, 2023 18:55
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Red Baron posted:relative to the size of roundabouts here that’s massive. ours are maybe a quarter of the size. (yes this does mean it looks like cars are constantly about to roll over with how fast some people take them.) It actually functions pretty well, too. I’m not aware of any pedestrians hit there despite the relatively heavy foot traffic. Just found it amusing based on the previous comment
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Sep 21, 2023 18:59
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Roundabouts are great but those double roundabouts are un-navigable bastards
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Sep 21, 2023 19:00
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Behold this roundabout with bus stops between the two traffic lanes another great example of American urban planning
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Sep 21, 2023 19:34
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BULBASAUR posted:another great example of American urban planning it took me 90 minutes to go five miles on the bus yesterday. it was packed solid because the previous three were cancelled. our public transportation is so bad that i can't take it anymore and applied for a parking permit today. lasted six months but it's time. it's a 12 minute drive
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Sep 21, 2023 19:37
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Bar Ran Dun posted:in Florida the old folks cause serious accidents at them and slam straight into the center island. feature, not bug better than them plowing through an intersection
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lol
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Sep 27, 2023 16:23
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reimagining pushing san francisco into the pacific
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Sep 27, 2023 16:25
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i say swears online posted:reimagining pushing san francisco into the pacific 
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Sep 27, 2023 17:06
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Joan of Arc wasn't built for traffic control.. It's a city beautiful-style monument.
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seems just cosmetic to me? 
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