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Der Kyhe posted:Was it really anywhere? All i know is i've got a nice pair of  binoculars somewhere in the house. 
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Sep 21, 2023 20:38
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Dwesa posted:Hersh: the counteroffensive is a US hologram
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Sep 21, 2023 20:40
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Randarkman posted:So Russia is literally promoting German nazis? A tradition that's almost 100 years old
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Sep 21, 2023 20:44
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Randarkman posted:So Russia is literally promoting German nazis? Yes. And funding and promoting various right-wing nationalist groups all around Europe.
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Sep 21, 2023 20:53
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Seymour Hersh about to drop a bombshell that Gavrillio Princip was actually a dastardly Ukrainian.
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Sep 21, 2023 20:58
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bad_fmr posted:Yes. And funding and promoting various right-wing nationalist groups all around Europe. And not only pro-Russia or right-wing parties, by the way. They use shell organizations, made-up NGOs and other covers to fund any radical actors to destabilize the government or spill propaganda, even the ones who oppose Russia. In Sweden one of the bigger online campaigns to kill discussions and research into Russian information warfare before Ukrainian war was orchestrated by the culture section of the Aftonbladet newspaper, and by a chief editor that was hard-on radical leftist.
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Sep 21, 2023 20:58
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Der Kyhe posted:And not only pro-Russia or right-wing parties, by the way. They use shell organizations, made-up NGOs and other covers to fund any radical actors to destabilize the government or spill propaganda, even the ones who oppose Russia.
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Sep 21, 2023 21:04
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There are Nazi's in Germany?! Shocking. Shocking I tell you. I guess my grandfather missed a few.
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Sep 21, 2023 21:21
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Nessus posted:They funded several state secession groups in the USA. In Finland the Feminist Party spilled its beans too soon on actually who pays the bills, by registering and going into elections and starting their campaign by declaring that "The Finnish national epic Kalevala, written by known forger Elias Lönnrot, is actually a collection of Russian women's poems and oral traditions collected from the Russian regions of Karelia".
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Sep 21, 2023 21:29
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https://twitter.com/markiank/status/1704917863855714786 Who fell for the Russian Psyop
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Sep 21, 2023 21:39
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mobby_6kl posted:The CIA is woke now *bear themed alien w/ comical russian accent* They woke now???
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Sep 21, 2023 21:55
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Toxic Mental posted:https://twitter.com/markiank/status/1704917863855714786 Don't look at me!
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Sep 21, 2023 22:17
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Toxic Mental posted:https://twitter.com/markiank/status/1704917863855714786 hehe https://twitter.com/SarcasticCupcak/status/1704947085232017487?t=ljgJ9VWmF_xF7dq4zu_Vsw&s=19
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Sep 21, 2023 22:29
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Der Kyhe posted:In Sweden one of the bigger online campaigns to kill discussions and research into Russian information warfare before Ukrainian war was orchestrated by the culture section of the Aftonbladet newspaper, and by a chief editor that was hard-on radical leftist. Can you elaborate on this? I'm Swedish and don't know about this, although it doesn't surprise me.
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Sep 21, 2023 22:31
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Von Pluring posted:Can you elaborate on this? I'm Swedish and don't know about this, although it doesn't surprise me. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Kragh And this is discussed with a large amount background data in this book about how Russian information warfare works: https://www.adlibris.com/fi/kirja/putins-trolls-9781632461292 It was unfortunately published just before COVID-19 and the Ukrainian war, so it does not talk about that stuff at all but at least the book is demonstrably true on its observations as we have seen this stuff happen again and again during this war. It is written by a YLE reporter (BBC equivalent of Finland) who was targeted after she broke a story about the Russian influence campaigns and the troll factory in St. Petersburg "Internet Research Agency" established by our favorite Russian hot dog vendor and high-altitude freebase jumper Prigozhin. A clip from that wikipedia article translated by Google: Several researchers and journalists, including Peter Pomerantsev, Kristian Gerner, Ulrika Knutson, Disa Håstad and Stig Fredriksson, believed that Aftonbladet's head of culture spread Russian disinformation, and that Aftonbladet's actions seriously damaged Swedish Russia research.[8][34][35][ 36][37] Aftonbladet's publications were criticized by lawyers, including professor Mårten Schultz at Stockholm University and the president of the Swedish Bar Association, Anne Ramberg, who, among other things, claimed that the newspaper's articles about Kragh constituted slander and that Aftonbladet's actions damaged trust in journalism.[38][39][40][41] ][42] The Director of the Foreign Policy Institute, Christer Ahlström, dismissed Aftonbladet's claims about Kragh as completely groundless.[43] Svenska Dagbladet later wrote how since 2017 Kragh has suffered from cyber attacks, death threats and harassment, partly linked to Russia, and Säpo has commented that they are aware of Kragh's case.[44] Aftonbladet later unpublished one of its articles about Kragh, although they otherwise defended Linderborg's publications.[45] On December 2, 2019, Aftonbladet was blamed by the Press's Opinion Committee for "violating good journalistic practice" after a series of publications aimed at Kragh. According to the press ombudsman's review, Aftonbladet's evidence was "non-existent".[46] Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Sep 21, 2023 |
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Sep 21, 2023 22:36
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Tsyni posted:I know this is pure Tom Clancy, but imagine Azerbaijan goes into Armenia, Georgia makes a move for South Ossetia, Chechnya...in chaos, maybe toss in Ukraine helping Moldova with Transnistria. Where is the CIA of yesteryear when we need them? none of those are real words ok
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Sep 21, 2023 23:14
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di47-8LeOwA Cringe
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Sep 21, 2023 23:19
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/natalkakyiv/status/1704662873576747134?s=46&t=lbKxPpxJyMeDN0i-nFAg4A This sequel to the Death of Stalin loving sucks.
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Sep 21, 2023 23:37
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khwarezm posted:This sequel to the Death of Stalin loving sucks. I dunno, I look forward to an opening scene where Putin opens up a note hidden in his daily delivery of horse cum that is just a satellite pic of the Kerch bridge broken in half
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Sep 21, 2023 23:55
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Flavahbeast posted:hehe Tweet's gone, what is it
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Sep 22, 2023 00:05
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Toxic Mental posted:Tweet's gone, what is it Weird it still loads for me   
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Sep 22, 2023 00:12
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Der Kyhe posted:https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Kragh Thank you so much, I’m gonna look into this. It’s not common knowledge here, that’s for sure.
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Sep 22, 2023 00:25
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weg posted:Weird it still loads for me Nah, the second one, "Nice try" and then a link to the Charlie Kirk paper or whatever
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Sep 22, 2023 00:26
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Autisanal Cheese posted:I dunno, I look forward to an opening scene where Putin opens up a note hidden in his daily delivery of horse cum that is just a satellite pic of the Kerch bridge broken in half The whole war has revealed such an extreme fetishization of WW2 in the place of Russian society to a degree I never really considered before. Obviously I knew it was important when the Soviets shouldered the burden so much, but when we are rapidly approaching a time when nobody will be left alive with firsthand experience of the war it comes across as increasingly crass and cartoonish to evoke it like this. I can't really think of another country that does this, even in the likes of Britain or America with their talk of the 'Blitz spirit' or 'Greatest Generation', its a thing only faintly remembered at best at this point, certainly not as a contemporary factor in modern politics and culture, but in Russia its made so front and centre and such a gigantic part of the national story that it comes across as an unhealthy clinging to the past that has led to unpleasant outcomes like justifying and whipping up support for the new war. Its particularly bad how its also done in such a way that strips away the Socialist and not so ethnically exclusive elements of how the Soviet Union presented their war effort, I doubt I need to remind anyone that millions of Ukrainians died fighting Nazis and it had a worse casualty ratio than the Russian SSR, and makes it narrow minded obsession with Russian national prestige at the expense of all else.
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Sep 22, 2023 00:28
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Is it really that much crazier? Not trying to be team-Russia about it, but it feels like in America we are pretty obsessed too. Saving Private Ryan, Call of Duty, Band of Brothers, Captain America, Schindlers List, Inglorious Basterds, Oppenheimer, etc etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_popular_culture Maybe America just has more wars to fetishize, like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, while Russia basically had WW2, so they hit on it more in their pop culture while over here we spread out our war related content between a few different conflicts. e: Maybe 9/11 basically replacing Pearl Harbor as the national collective psychological trauma and diluted the obsession with WW2 a bit.
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Sep 22, 2023 00:38
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I mean the Nazis were objectively The Baddies Basically everyone who fought against them is always going to have the moral superiority there and can just endlessly recall it to make themselves feel good. Similar to now, Russia are objectively The Baddies, so in the future everyone can feel good when they're booted from Ukraine and make movies and TV about it, while Russia can produce lovely US civil war Lost Cause-esque trash for decades.
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Sep 22, 2023 00:42
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https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1704971577559818329 https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1704947222503145599#m You want to try destroying Ukraine's grid this winter too? What goes around, comes around. zone fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Sep 22, 2023 |
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Sep 22, 2023 00:45
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Wow hosed up. Did anyone tell congress that War is Bad?
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Sep 22, 2023 00:48
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Mr Lanternfly posted:Is it really that much crazier? Not trying to be team-Russia about it, but it feels like in America we are pretty obsessed too. Saving Private Ryan, Call of Duty, Band of Brothers, Captain America, Schindlers List, Inglorious Basterds, Oppenheimer, etc etc. I feel like America's height of WW2 commemoration was around the late 90s early 2000s when there were still a reasonable amount of veterans, it was post cold war and a lot of people.felt especially proud to be American, and stuff like Saving Private Ryan created waves in pop culture. Since then I think it's temporal distance, the dying off of the generation who fought the war and the problematic evocation of the one just war in the context of the war in terror tarnished that tendency. Even in popular culture when WW2 does get featured in America these days it seems to involve a much more critical perspective considering things like Fury or Oppenheimer, or it's got this weirdly postmodern bent in Inglorious Basterds.
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Sep 22, 2023 00:52
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khwarezm posted:The whole war has revealed such an extreme fetishization of WW2 in the place of Russian society to a degree I never really considered before. Obviously I knew it was important when the Soviets shouldered the burden so much, but when we are rapidly approaching a time when nobody will be left alive with firsthand experience of the war it comes across as increasingly crass and cartoonish to evoke it like this. I can't really think of another country that does this, even in the likes of Britain or America with their talk of the 'Blitz spirit' or 'Greatest Generation', its a thing only faintly remembered at best at this point, certainly not as a contemporary factor in modern politics and culture, but in Russia its made so front and centre and such a gigantic part of the national story that it comes across as an unhealthy clinging to the past that has led to unpleasant outcomes like justifying and whipping up support for the new war. An absolute gently caress ton of Soviet Union members died in WW2. Like a lot. I think it's pretty understandable.
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Sep 22, 2023 00:52
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Telsa Cola posted:An absolute gently caress ton of Soviet Union members died in WW2. Like a lot. I think it's pretty understandable. You don't need to tell me that, the point is how they have pushed World War 2 commemoration into something that gets ever more grand and exaggerated beyond even how I understand it was commemorated in the actual Soviet Union when there were far more people with direct experience of the war. But moreover its shifted to become the national epic of Russia specifically when the Soviets tried to present it as a unified, Socialist effort against fascism as opposed to an exclusive crusade of the Russian people who need to do it again against their wayward neighbours.
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Sep 22, 2023 01:00
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I think it's most that Americans are obsessed with WW2 still, yeah, but only really as a "we did something great once!" thing. They don't see everything through its lens. Like even despite Bush's attempts, the whole Axis of Evil thing didn't really get much traction and is almost entirely forgotten outside of jokes.
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Sep 22, 2023 01:05
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Mr Lanternfly posted:Is it really that much crazier? Not trying to be team-Russia about it, but it feels like in America we are pretty obsessed too. Saving Private Ryan, Call of Duty, Band of Brothers, Captain America, Schindlers List, Inglorious Basterds, Oppenheimer, etc etc. It certainly seems much crazier to me ... I mean, don't get me wrong, the US valorizes the hell out of our WW2 conduct, and it is an interesting story with easily valorizable elements (for Russians too!). What we don't have is consistent, loud declaration that to this day we can't wait to go stomp Germany and the rest of Europe (?) again, everyone that stands against us is a nazi, is Ameriphobic etc. (that said I'm always put off when people make nazi jokes about modern day Germany. it's so lazy! get better material!)
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Sep 22, 2023 01:15
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And another thing. During the Great Patriotic War, people didn't ask questions. You had a question? Straight to jail. Straight to jail. That's what we need now.
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Sep 22, 2023 01:25
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khwarezm posted:The whole war has revealed such an extreme fetishization of WW2 in the place of Russian society to a degree I never really considered before. Obviously I knew it was important when the Soviets shouldered the burden so much, but when we are rapidly approaching a time when nobody will be left alive with firsthand experience of the war it comes across as increasingly crass and cartoonish to evoke it like this. I can't really think of another country that does this, even in the likes of Britain or America with their talk of the 'Blitz spirit' or 'Greatest Generation', its a thing only faintly remembered at best at this point, certainly not as a contemporary factor in modern politics and culture, but in Russia its made so front and centre and such a gigantic part of the national story that it comes across as an unhealthy clinging to the past that has led to unpleasant outcomes like justifying and whipping up support for the new war. On the one hand it's always been that way, but also it qualitatively shifted over the last decade and some of the historical revisionism even leaked out into anglo-sphere spaces, particularly the minimizing of foreign contributions to Russian success in ww2 as well as the effort to whitewash Stalin's crimes, both of which were particularly idiosyncratic coming from people who otherwise had zero reason to care about either of those things. Probably you could tie that back to, at least in part, Prigozhin funding and signal boosting Dugin's efforts but idk I'm not particularly capable of speaking to the exact origins of that stuff. It was extremely weird and impossible to miss when it started popping up in anglo spaces ~5-8 years ago. That was also the era when Russian efforts to influence the anglo world really kicked into high gear, so it's not surprising that suddenly a bunch of weird Russian historical revisionism started getting pushed along with everything else Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Sep 22, 2023 |
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Sep 22, 2023 01:43
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Mr Lanternfly posted:Is it really that much crazier? Not trying to be team-Russia about it, but it feels like in America we are pretty obsessed too. Saving Private Ryan, Call of Duty, Band of Brothers, Captain America, Schindlers List, Inglorious Basterds, Oppenheimer, etc etc. American hero worshippers believe America beat the Nazis because America is great; Russian hero worshippers believe the USSR is great because it beat the Nazis. I don't think there's really a contingent of Americans that rejects American ideology and believes American history is full of terrible atrocities but that all of America's past and future sins are forgiven by its victory over the Nazis.
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Sep 22, 2023 03:28
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1705027725059133517#m This is very good news for long term support.
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Sep 22, 2023 03:54
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tiaz posted:It certainly seems much crazier to me ... I mean, don't get me wrong, the US valorizes the hell out of our WW2 conduct, and it is an interesting story with easily valorizable elements (for Russians too!). What we don't have is consistent, loud declaration that to this day we can't wait to go stomp Germany and the rest of Europe (?) again, everyone that stands against us is a nazi, is Ameriphobic etc. I'm sure that a lot of it is down to the fact that the USSR lost the Cold War. For a lot of the west, the fall of the Berlin Wall and breakup of the USSR was the "end of history" and tied a bow on the post-WW2 period of the 20th century. What victories since WW2 does Russia have to look at without going all the way back to 1945?
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Sep 22, 2023 04:02
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I look forward to Ukraine expert Hunter Biden getting a piece of the Iron Dome III contract so long as it gets built asap so Russia can lob its dwindling supply of poo poo at Ukraine all they want and at its worst its just an irritating light show or distant noisy mild distraction to nice people trying to watch Eurovision.
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1705027725059133517#m Did he they get republicans to be less loving weird about it? Last time I checked they're supposed to hate Russia. edit: and even moreso they are supposed to love the military industrial complex. It boggles the mind. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Sep 22, 2023 |
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