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Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
wouldn't a wireless headsets dongle work exactly the same if you just add it to the usb switcher hub? not like the system cares, it'll just see the new device and switch to it if that's the usual default.

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The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

Coxswain Balls posted:

Is it like Airtags where it just passively connects to any Apple devices that are around? The name when I connect them is Airpods Pro - Find My, so I'm assuming that the owner realized they lost them and are trying to find them now. I don't have any Apple devices myself but I've got family who are all in on the ecosystem, would being near them be enough for them to show up if they try to geolocate them?

Alternatively, if I change the name of them to something like my phone number, would it show up in the owner's Find My app?

It sounds like your quest is already over, but in case you were curious they show up as AirPods Pro - Find My on any non-apple Bluetooth, so I don't think it means the owner is currently using the find my network. I connect them to my PC and that's what they get called in the list of bluetooth devices.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Something that came to mind over the last few days, with USB-C becoming more and more standard on devices do you think there's actually a path where the 3.5mm jack actually becomes obsolete outside specialist use in favour of USB Audio?

Anyway Moondrop are making a Discman.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

I hope not, that poo poo sucks for constant plugging, unplugging, and being jostled around.

Mr. Mercury
Aug 13, 2021



njsykora posted:

Something that came to mind over the last few days, with USB-C becoming more and more standard on devices do you think there's actually a path where the 3.5mm jack actually becomes obsolete outside specialist use in favour of USB Audio?

Anyway Moondrop are making a Discman.


It's going to be interesting, that's for sure

I'm sure there will still be holdouts for anything reqiring more power (eg, audiophile, legacy stuff), but on the whole I think you're right. Just too convenient for both listening and music production

But then again that was conventional wisdom in 2018 so who knows!

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

njsykora posted:

Something that came to mind over the last few days, with USB-C becoming more and more standard on devices do you think there's actually a path where the 3.5mm jack actually becomes obsolete outside specialist use in favour of USB Audio?

Probably not. Most people who still use wired headphones are doing so either because they're cheaper or they sound better. Adding a dac/amp to a product will inherently increase the cost and can hurt the sound quality if it isn't done well. There will be more of a market for dongles, and cheap headphones will potentially get way better with DSP as we're starting to see, but I don't think public adoption will change much from where it is now.

Also, professional audio will almost certainly never do that, so you'll always have at least one segment that isn't using it. Nobody's going to retrofit an SSL console from 1996 with a usb-c headphone port. Or replace their live room distro amps.

Mr. Mercury
Aug 13, 2021



Yeah I get the feeling the appetite for more-expensive, more easily broken things in music production/performance isn't really very high.

Also, Lenbrook bought MQA

Clarence
May 3, 2012

Is there such a thing as ear buds that are bluetooth and noise cancelling but have a wire connecting them (or some other way of not losing them if one falls out).

My ears do not get on with earbuds staying in at all. I've no problem with popping one back in if it falls out but they'll just get lost if they're individual.

Example use case - long overnight train trip where the noise would keep me awake. And for extra funsies I'm a side sleeper so full size earphones won't work.
Also general walking around.

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride
Could I interest you in an ety er2

Fully wired solution, but with comply foam tips and something playing it kills most noise and it's so small that it's comfy enough to sleep in

Also, won't come out of your ear almost guaranteed, compared to a bluetooth earbud

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Homeless Friend posted:

wouldn't a wireless headsets dongle work exactly the same if you just add it to the usb switcher hub? not like the system cares, it'll just see the new device and switch to it if that's the usual default.
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. As long as the dongle works okay in terms of automatically connecting when it's "plugged into" a system when switched, and in terms of power, I could do that.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
drat they pushed out adaptive mode with the ios update and this thing is badass lol. They basically rounded all the corners of bluetooth usage.

Cicero posted:

Good point, I hadn't thought of that. As long as the dongle works okay in terms of automatically connecting when it's "plugged into" a system when switched, and in terms of power, I could do that.

I only say because my audeze maxwells work fine if i plug unplug em (which i do on the off times windows fucks up powering my insane amount of usbs)

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

Clarence posted:

Is there such a thing as ear buds that are bluetooth and noise cancelling but have a wire connecting them (or some other way of not losing them if one falls out).

My ears do not get on with earbuds staying in at all. I've no problem with popping one back in if it falls out but they'll just get lost if they're individual.

Example use case - long overnight train trip where the noise would keep me awake. And for extra funsies I'm a side sleeper so full size earphones won't work.
Also general walking around.

Google "wireless earbuds with interconnecting cable" and go nuts. I bought some chinese ones just like you describe in 2016 just before the true wireless craze started, and they served me well many years.

Clarence
May 3, 2012

Thanks for the pointers. (They have to be bluetooth as my phone doesn't have a socket - which I only realised while I was out and went to plug in my old non-bluetooth set!)

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride

Clarence posted:

Thanks for the pointers. (They have to be bluetooth as my phone doesn't have a socket - which I only realised while I was out and went to plug in my old non-bluetooth set!)

Nowadays you have to get an adapter and use your charging port as your headphone port, so it's probably still an option but yknow do whatever works for you

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


If you still like your set and they do what you need then get on the dongle train.

Tomfoolery
Oct 8, 2004

I know there have been a couple recommendations about headphones for work - can I throw my request in the pile?

I spend 8 hours a day either listening to music or on zoom/teams/google calls. I'd love a great set of headphones that is comfortable to wear all day long, great for meetings (I'd like a good mic) and good for music. Don't care about price. Some of the recommendations (the Sony XM5s, Bose quietcomfort) have complaints for windows users where bluetooth messes them up and audio or mic quality is terrible. Is that something that is fixed now? Or should I go for the poly voyager surround 80? I feel weird spending Sony XM5 money on a headset that I haven't heard of, but if they're good I'll get them.

If I don't particularly care about ANC, is there an alternative excellent headset I should consider?

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride
Does it have to be wireless?

Tomfoolery
Oct 8, 2004

Dogen posted:

Does it have to be wireless?

No

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
If you really need a built in mic, sennheiser PC38X would be my choice.

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC

And if you're okay with just plopping a mic on your desk, your options open up considerably.

Tomfoolery
Oct 8, 2004

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

If you really need a built in mic, sennheiser PC38X would be my choice.

I just bought these, they're 1/3 of what I was about to pay for the Sony ones, but the thing that clinched it was a review site showing "Cons: No companion software". Thanks!

Helter Skelter posted:

And if you're okay with just plopping a mic on your desk, your options open up considerably.

I'm probably being irrational about wanting a mic as part of my headset, but I've convinced myself I do

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride
Also check out modmic for adding a mic to any old headphones.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

I use bose quietcomforts with a mic attachment and have for about 3 years. They're great all day and work even if you forget to charge them if you plug 'em into a 3.5mm port or USB converter.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Tomfoolery posted:

I'm probably being irrational about wanting a mic as part of my headset, but I've convinced myself I do
I use both. The headset mic is nice for voice chat so I can get up and go get a drink/snack, let the dogs in/out, etc. and still chat with my friends, but the desktop mic will almost always be better quality if you're creating content or anything like that.

Also with a desktop mic you'll never accidentally transmit yourself peeing.

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


Anyone know of a good, cheapish, wireless set of bone conduction headphones?

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
Budget - $300. Hopefully not that much.

Source - XBOX, PC, iPhone.

Intended use case - I'd like something comfortable to use while gaming on my XBOX without bothering my wife, and that I can hopefully also use for WFH.

Preferred Headphone features - These will be my first over-ear headphones so nothing to compare it to.
1. I'm not terribly concerned about sound quality. I'm a normie who thinks more base "sounds better", if that helps. I would prefer they not look too gamer-like since I have quite a few meetings with video on.
2. Ideally, I would be able to use these for periods of hours at a time, but not a huge requirement assuming they can be comfortably worn over an hour or so.
3. Wireless and ideally XBOX format or whatever compliant. Integrated microphone (ie, nothing visible over my face, I don't care about microphone sound quality, my webcam has a decent enough microphone included on it).
4. What are you willing to live without? High quality sound, noise cancellation.

I understand that having something that works well on XBOX, PC, and iPhone, doesn't look like gamer gear, and is wireless might be too much, but I figured I'd ask first before looking at separate devices.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
audeze maxwell springs to mind, but if you genuinely don't care about sound quality you can get away with spending a lot less money

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Budget - £150? I'm genuinely not sure but I can stretch a bunch if I need to.

Source - Pixel Phone/Laptop

Intended Use Case - Mainly use these on the go, especially at the gym / on the train and a bit for work calls.

Essentially my old Bose Soundsports are dying a death of being unable to fully charge any more and I live and die by earbuds with a wire between them because they prevent me from losing them.

Soundsports went out of date in 2022 so I'm looking for something decent as a replacement, but it's somewhat difficult to search out: wireless earbuds with a wire between the two oh god not like that, in 2023.

I'm not much of an audiophile so largely the practicality of fitting in my ear, having a decent double bluetooth connection are my priorities.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Natural 20 posted:

Budget - £150? I'm genuinely not sure but I can stretch a bunch if I need to.

Source - Pixel Phone/Laptop

Intended Use Case - Mainly use these on the go, especially at the gym / on the train and a bit for work calls.

Essentially my old Bose Soundsports are dying a death of being unable to fully charge any more and I live and die by earbuds with a wire between them because they prevent me from losing them.

Soundsports went out of date in 2022 so I'm looking for something decent as a replacement, but it's somewhat difficult to search out: wireless earbuds with a wire between the two oh god not like that, in 2023.

I'm not much of an audiophile so largely the practicality of fitting in my ear, having a decent double bluetooth connection are my priorities.

Beats has a good one in the £50 range with the tether in between like how you like it, beyond that the nicer Beats (with no tether) will have ANC and ear hooks and “find my” features so maybe you don’t lose them as easily. Also £100+ buds are going to come with a charging case so ideally they’re either gonna be in your ears or in their case.

Also you can get cheap aftermarket tethers for most earbuds, but that would be kind of goofy since you’d have to take them off to charge and store them, but it’s an option if you really need it/are doing some kind of sport where you have a high risk of them popping out and getting lost

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


There's also the Powerbeats (non-pro) which have a tether but seem to be discontinued.

Ok Comboomer posted:

Beats has a good one in the £50 range with the tether in between like how you like it, beyond that the nicer Beats (with no tether) will have ANC and ear hooks and “find my” features so maybe you don’t lose them as easily.

Beats Flex these days have had their price jacked up to £70, which sucks because at £50 they were untouchable in their class. I still think they're worth the money and the right call (though their different shape tips instead of different sizes remains dumb) but y'know. Also no using Find My on an Android phone.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Yeah to be fair, I absolutely get that the prevailing trend is buds with a box but I have about 6-7 years of muscle memory where my brain says "Are your headphones around your neck?" as my check that I've not lost them. Whereas I know nearly 100% for sure that I'm going to get that little box, try to put it down a coat pocket and leave it somewhere on the underground never to be seen again.

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

RandolphCarter posted:

Anyone know of a good, cheapish, wireless set of bone conduction headphones?

I don't know if anybody is doing reviews and recommendation specifically for bone conduction headsets. Your options basically come down to the name brand, Shokz, at $80-180, and Chinese knockoffs around $30. I have an Aftershok Aeropex (now sold as Shokz OpenRun Pro) and while it is nice, I can't imagine it is six or seven times better than the no-name headphones. None of these are ever going to sound truly good for listening to music, but they're fine for podcasts and audiobooks, and mine have a surprisingly good microphone for phone calls

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Natural 20 posted:

Whereas I know nearly 100% for sure that I'm going to get that little box, try to put it down a coat pocket and leave it somewhere on the underground never to be seen again.
You're exactly right. My girlfriend is on her third set of Pixel Buds, having washed the first ones and lost one of the second set, and rarely goes a week without having to search for the charging case.

IMO "true wireless" earbuds are the stupidest example of the market following Apple in to style over substance. Worse controls, worse battery life, worse wireless performance, requiring a special charging system rather than just a standard cable, infinitely easier to lose/damage, etc. all just to get rid of a wire you can barely feel on the back of your neck. Is that wire really that bad?

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride
It might as well be a NOOSE

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Natural 20 posted:

behind-the-neck IEM chat

Just last night, I was browsing possible combinations of IEMs with removable cables and behind-the-neck Bluetooth adapters for such IEMs. I'm wondering if a cheap IEM like the 7Hz Salnotes Zero paired with something like these wouldn't be the worst idea in the world:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/394812315071

I can't vouch for this setup as I've never tried it, but it does seem to match your use case and fall well within budget. Again, this could be a really stupid, stupid idea. Others, feel free to chime in.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


There are a lot of those now yeah, though I'd avoid any of them that use that kind of magnetic charger. I'd just rather go with something that uses USB-C.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Zorilla posted:

I'm wondering if a cheap IEM like the 7Hz Salnotes Zero paired with something like these wouldn't be the worst idea in the world:
That's exactly what I plan to do when my old skullcandy behind the ear set gives out. I'm hoping by then that LE Audio has reached maturity.

I'm mostly using the Zeroes wired right now through an Apple adapter, so the wireless ones haven't been used much.

Definitely agreed on standard charging versus proprietary nonsense. Proprietary charging should never exist except where standards simply will not do what needs to be done.

Mr. Mercury
Aug 13, 2021



True wireless definitely has its glaring problems. Is there a reason they never seem to have a key ring or something else to attach them to something important?

Clark Nova posted:

I don't know if anybody is doing reviews and recommendation specifically for bone conduction headsets. Your options basically come down to the name brand, Shokz, at $80-180, and Chinese knockoffs around $30. I have an Aftershok Aeropex (now sold as Shokz OpenRun Pro) and while it is nice, I can't imagine it is six or seven times better than the no-name headphones. None of these are ever going to sound truly good for listening to music, but they're fine for podcasts and audiobooks, and mine have a surprisingly good microphone for phone calls

They're tough because the traditional methods to test aren't that cheap, and even then the results may not be comparable to a human head. There's a couple sites out there that review, but it's as you say: the application for these is a bit different

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Mr. Mercury posted:

True wireless definitely has its glaring problems. Is there a reason they never seem to have a key ring or something else to attach them to something important?

The current Airpods Pro case has a place to connect a strap. Though I'll say I've not really worried about ever losing my Airpods since the first week of having them. But then I'm also the kind of person who doesn't go anywhere outside my house without knowing exactly where everything I'm carrying is.

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RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


Clark Nova posted:

I don't know if anybody is doing reviews and recommendation specifically for bone conduction headsets. Your options basically come down to the name brand, Shokz, at $80-180, and Chinese knockoffs around $30. I have an Aftershok Aeropex (now sold as Shokz OpenRun Pro) and while it is nice, I can't imagine it is six or seven times better than the no-name headphones. None of these are ever going to sound truly good for listening to music, but they're fine for podcasts and audiobooks, and mine have a surprisingly good microphone for phone calls

Thank you

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