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Relentlessboredomm posted:did Bryce hurt his ankle being tackled or did he hurt it during that incredibly awkward slide he attempted When he was rolling out right and was sacked from behind
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really queer Christmas posted:It's been two games this is why i love week 1-2 so much a million takes/narratives are born from such a small sample size of games For example, Baker just wins games!
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zimbomonkey posted:Oh I don't blame his size at all to be clear, I'm just tired of hearing about how great Bryce's "processing" is when I haven't yet found a single play where it really seems to make a positive difference. Even the descriptions of what "processing" means seem to change from week to week. Is it being good at reading plays before the snap? Every time Bryce audibles it seems like the resulting play gains two yards at most. Is it being able to read the field quickly and find an open receiver? It seems like he's good at doing that when he gets time and there is an open receiver, but his accuracy isn't great on those throws anyway. Meanwhile either his arm strength or reich's play calling keeps defenses from having to respect us deep. I love this take. And it’s right.
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zimbomonkey posted:This makes more sense if we weren't being told all summer that actually Bryce is way ahead of where rookies usually are. The entire justification for Bryce always hinged on how CJ and Richardson would both take so long to develop because of the mental aspect of their game whereas Bryce was supposed to be plug and play. If Richardson can't immediately see a play to his receivers then he can at least run it and Stroud has a chance of throwing them open with that arm. We gave that up to draft Bryce and then surrounded him with talent where he would really need to be able to do one of those two things. The receiver talent and the structure of the offense isn't on Bryce as a player though. I get where you're coming from but Young is very much ahead of guys even who have been pros for a number of years like Darnold and Fields. I don't know if you've watched the QB school breakdowns of his first two games but it's probably worth a watch to see the game and plays being broken down in real time. There's a number of throws that live looked like the wrong option, or not as good as they could have been but through two weeks in all the breakdowns there's only really been two or three bad plays where he's mildly over thrown or been inaccurate. For the most part he's been right on the money, right on schedule but there's been a lot of occasions where there's just absolutely no one open, no separation and the route concepts are far too slow developing. You can see it alone in a lot of his drop backs simply in the way he gets to the top of his drop and goes through his progressions - he's adept at those things. He doesn't have a plus arm but neither does Tua and neither did Brady in the years where he still routinely put up over 35 touchdowns etc. I think there's a number of factors as to why the offense has been sputtering but I don't think Bryce is contributing to the issues 1/10 as much as the receiver group, offensive line, scheming and running game has. For starters the Panthers are spending way too much time on 2nd and 3rd and long, instead of in more manageable down and distance situations and there simply haven't been the sustained drives where the running game has been successful, and it often hasn't been due to there being 8 in the box where the defensive mis matches can be exploited. The lack of a true downfield threat at the moment that can with consistency has been a factor, on his two interceptions and a near interception the safeties have basically been able to buzz down, or have been undercutting routes, the slow developing trap and rub plays are simply taking too long to develop, etc, etc, etc. The more I've seen the more it's actually cemented my comfort with Bryce as a future long term QB and increased my discomfort with everything else. To me - atleast it seems there's a very good reason that Sanders wasn't re-signed in philly, thielen was allowed to hit the bricks and detroit gave 0 fucks about losing their former guy. Not to keep making the comparison with the GOAT, but even in those years where Brady was lacking in the outside receiver position there were always multiple running backs, tight ends, move players and generally - one slot receiver who was capable of making a difference. Hurst has been. fine. but he's not Gronkowski or Hernandez, Sanders is fine but he doesn't catch out of the backfield like a dependable option and the rest - thomas, hubbard, etc are just guys. There's no Edelman or Welker who's automatic on a 3rd and 5 because he will smoke a linebacker, there's just 5/10 guys across the board. Even Mingo who was supposed to be a dawg going after the ball is getting out muscled by 175 pound corner backs and Terrace Marshall seems to quit on routes on a whim. The most glaring thing I actually took away from QB school vids was that there's just a lack of options. If Bryce was looking at his reads and missing guys screaming open with their hand raised I think you'd have a point about not seeing his mental game, but there's multiple - and I mean like 90% of plays where guys are just blanketed by middling secondary talent. If you don't believe me, throw a video on and just pick like 4 minutes in and watch how many plays in row the high angle just shows absolutely no one getting a clean release and beating their guy. It's the worst I've ever seen in an NFL offense.
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BlindSite posted:The receiver talent and the structure of the offense isn't on Bryce as a player though. I get where you're coming from but Young is very much ahead of guys even who have been pros for a number of years like Darnold and Fields. I don't know if you've watched the QB school breakdowns of his first two games but it's probably worth a watch to see the game and plays being broken down in real time. For context, I have watched pretty much every piece of bryce young content on youtube probably. I have been mainlining this poo poo for months trying to get a sense of how things were gonna go and all the leaks and comments from practice were making me optimistic. I've seen both of JT's breakdowns and a few other takes. I don't dislike Bryce and I agree that it's not on him. My disappointment comes from the organizational failure and the baffling decision making that got us here. BlindSite posted:I think there's a number of factors as to why the offense has been sputtering but I don't think Bryce is contributing to the issues 1/10 as much as the receiver group, offensive line, scheming and running game has. For starters the Panthers are spending way too much time on 2nd and 3rd and long, instead of in more manageable down and distance situations and there simply haven't been the sustained drives where the running game has been successful, and it often hasn't been due to there being 8 in the box where the defensive mis matches can be exploited. The lack of a true downfield threat at the moment that can with consistency has been a factor, on his two interceptions and a near interception the safeties have basically been able to buzz down, or have been undercutting routes, the slow developing trap and rub plays are simply taking too long to develop, etc, etc, etc. Yes, this right here is exactly why it's so concerning. We aren't ready at other positions, why did we have to go get the guy with the lowest ceiling because he can win now? Did the coaches think they were gonna scheme this bunch open? With this playbook? What kind of habits are we building for him? When he gets a receiver worth a drat will he even remember what to do with him? Bryce was supposed to elevate this offense with his creativity but that hasn't been nearly enough and this strategy has put him in the worst case scenario for his skillset and body type. I think that's worth talking about now, no matter what happens in the future. zimbomonkey fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Sep 23, 2023 |
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Coasterphreak posted:I think saints fans might get a bit salty in the coming weeks. The long drive to Biloxi for bottled water is gonna suck now.
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drat https://twitter.com/TampaBayTre/status/1706009869852041424?t=EX_fgH4UOAN9LivjT6nyIQ&s=19
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Not really, the defense actually looks pretty good. Now the offense is hosed, totally opposite than usual! So refreshing.
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oh I just meant that they loving suck
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Tatsuta Age posted:oh I just meant that they loving suck They're better than last year. Defense looked pretty good, O line needs help. Ridder....meh.
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really queer Christmas posted:while im glad the meltdown loss didn't happen inside the division, id have much prefered it be to the lions. not the loving packers. It was a pretty good possibility as soon as Jameis came in. Can’t just stop doing anything on offense and expect your defense to hold forever.
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really queer Christmas posted:while im glad the meltdown loss didn't happen inside the division, id have much prefered it be to the lions. not the loving packers. There will be more opportunities to watch more of the same this season, and in the coming years.
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really queer Christmas posted:bucs fans talking a lot of poo poo right before they lose by 20 to the eagles where
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NFCS: we're back baby! Bucs gonna get rolled by the Eagles tomorrow.
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really queer Christmas posted:bucs fans talking a lot of poo poo right before they lose by 20 to the eagles Who’s talking poo poo? Saints collapse sucked since they had that game in hand and gently caress the packers but no bucs fan here thinks we’re gonna look good against the eagles
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really queer Christmas posted:bucs fans talking a lot of poo poo right before they lose by 20 to the eagles You think we'll only lose by 20?
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Who’s talking poo poo? Saints collapse sucked since they had that game in hand and gently caress the packers but no bucs fan here thinks we’re gonna look good against the eagles Hard to have the game in hand when you spent the whole second half not getting first downs.
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it's the nfl so tampa has a chance tomorrow but i'm not getting my hopes too high (i am absolutely getting my hopes too high)
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It has been a bit odd with everyone (not panthers) doing well the first couple of weeks (except panthers) then it was about time for a hiccup (like the panthers)
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Hard to have the game in hand when you spent the whole second half not getting first downs. I mean up 17 points going into the 4th is game in hand to me. Yea having the offense just up and vanish is a valid way to meltdown
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kidcoelacanth posted:it's the nfl so tampa has a chance tomorrow but i'm not getting my hopes too high I'm sticking with Baker Just Wins Games mentality
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Dalton just hit the Panthers #1 WR in the face with the ball for an incompletion. This receiving corp is a crime against god.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I mean up 17 points going into the 4th is game in hand to me. Yea having the offense just up and vanish is a valid way to meltdown *in Panthers voice* "Offense can't up and vanish if it never exists in the first place!"
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Relentlessboredomm posted:I mean up 17 points going into the 4th is game in hand to me. In Saints fan land this is, to quote Kawalimus, “basically a tie.”
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PostNouveau posted:Sean Payton had a day I see It's like he's trying to coach himself out of the hall of fame.
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A.o.D. posted:It's like he's trying to coach himself out of the hall of fame. He wasn’t a lock to begin with but sure not helping his case now even though he probably couldn’t have known that Vance Joseph has apparently completely forgotten how football works.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He wasn’t a lock to begin with but sure not helping his case now even though he probably couldn’t have known that Vance Joseph has apparently completely forgotten how football works. At the rate he's going, he'll be lucky to have a job come black Monday. He might not even last the whole season.
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A.o.D. posted:At the rate he's going, he'll be lucky to have a job come black Monday. He might not even last the whole season. He’s fine. At worst he’ll fire Vance Joseph into the sun.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:He’s fine. At worst he’ll fire Vance Joseph into the sun. We'll see. It's one thing to lose a string of close games, it's another to get blown out week after week.
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A.o.D. posted:We'll see. It's one thing to lose a string of close games, it's another to get blown out week after week. If he can rehabilitate Russ and the offense he’s not getting fired. They’re stuck with Russ, they need someone who can salvage him. The defense can be fixed with decent hire.
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