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I don’t think I’ve ever even bothered to use the Wraith in this mission I just made Vikings instead.
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CommissarMega posted:Some dude at the research site found out about Emperor Mengsk's hentai stash and this was the only way Arcturus could think of solving his problem. "Your Highness wtf is a 'futalisk'"
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Sep 23, 2023 16:00
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Fajita Queen posted:I believe you guys are thinking about it far more than the writers intended, or likely even thought about it themselves This is the objectively correct answer to any questions about SC2's plot, but we're nerds and speculating is fun. There you go, Bisby, the thread finally let you have something to build at your starports.
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Sep 23, 2023 16:00
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Ah my beloved Wraith. Kinda garbage even in SC1, but I treasured it anyway. Cloaking, flying, able to hit both air and ground...it was perfect for a kid who just wanted to mass units and not think too hard. Well, them and Marines and Battlecruisers, but the cloak adds a distinct flavor. It's also why I have a very healthy respect for Missile Turrets and Spore Colonies to this day. The mission on Antiga that introduces them was always one of my favorites, because you've got cloaking Kerrigan (though no nukes yet) in addition to the cloaking wraiths, and there's no Missile Turret (or maybe just one?) protecting the enemy expansion base. It's just delightful fun to bully the poo poo out of the AI and they can't do a drat thing about it.  Redeye Flight posted:Ahh, the good ol' Wraith. You sons of bitches, Blizzard. Make it obsolete all you want, but at least give us the option to be subpar! 
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Sep 23, 2023 17:29
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Fun Fact: Most Hero Units get special Unit Ranks. Tychus's is "Scoundrel".
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Intermission 16     Yeah, well — that was until I went to prison... and you went legit. Right. >Watch news.      This line only stays on screen for a split second before Warfield cuts him off.  It's true, Kate. The Odin was delayed in shipping, and we briefly lost communication with the production facility. But it arrived safely, so we can go ahead with the unveiling.    >Talk to Tosh.    Very good. You think clearly despite your hate for him. 'Course his patience has got limits too. Tread careful, Mr. Raynor. Someone on this ship is already working for Mengsk. I can feel it.And the game is very pointedly reminding us that Tychus is a mole right before we go down to Korhal. >Talk to Tychus.    You'll get your chance soon enough, ol' buddy. Don't you worry. >Talk to Swann.   And here I was thinking you could build anything, Swann. Cute. Alright - forget the scale! I'm gonna figure it out, don't you worry. An' I'll come up with something a drat sight more practical than that show piece. You see if I don't!>Use Armory Console.  The Wraith upgrades consist of an increase to starting energy, and the ability to dodge 20% of attacks while cloaked for 125K.  Both upgrades are bad and I won't be getting them. >Talk to Horner.    Seriously Sir — his suit contains a sophisticated transponder... if it receives the correct code, it'll shut down all his major organs. That suit is a death trap. He's got a gun to his head. And who's got their finger on the trigger? Moebius? Tychus, what have you gotten yourself into?Since Tosh's chat is technically optional, considering he might not be on the Hyperion at this point for one reason or another, Jimmy will never be able to put the clues together until the dramatic reveal.    So we could go do other things.  Or we could send Mengsk's mole to rampage around Mengsk's backyard. 
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Sep 24, 2023 02:46
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I'm actually voting for Haven at this point. Avoiding the Odin's debut is, I'd argue, an almost even funnier inexplicable delay. We've also finally gotten the Wraith, so now we can go see what SC2 has brought up to replace it in its role.
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Sep 24, 2023 03:40
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I love the implication that the Odin is so massively overdesigned that they even put a fully functional "Flushable" toilet in there, which mean the Odin has a full septic system as well. No wonder the dominion is using salvaged confederate prototype tanks, they blow most of there money on giant cash sinks like the Odin, the Loki, and a few other "SUPER" weapons we'll see later on.
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Sep 24, 2023 04:16
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I feel like we really have to leave Haven for last at this point. We've gone this far, and it's only a little bit further...
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Sep 24, 2023 04:24
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To be fair, it's not like Diamondbacks don't work, they just aren't part of the standard Terran arsenal. Also I think it's kind of hosed up that you deliberately let Tychus nuke like twenty Wraiths.
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Sep 24, 2023 04:43
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stryth posted:I love the implication that the Odin is so massively overdesigned that they even put a fully functional "Flushable" toilet in there, which mean the Odin has a full septic system as well. No wonder the dominion is using salvaged confederate prototype tanks, they blow most of there money on giant cash sinks like the Odin, the Loki, and a few other "SUPER" weapons we'll see later on. Honestly that's one thing that actually makes sense. I'm sure that in the far future they can miniaturize things like that significantly, and having a way for the pilots to be comfortable means they can operate the Odin for days at a time without getting as worn out. That's probably a good idea if you're going to have a self-contained weapons platform.
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Sep 24, 2023 04:50
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Kith posted:Also I think it's kind of hosed up that you deliberately let Tychus nuke like twenty Wraiths. It's called making a statement. 
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Sep 24, 2023 05:03
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Poor Wraiths. I wish you were good. I really do.  "Y'all know who the best starfighter in the fleet is? Yours truly."
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Sep 24, 2023 05:11
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Now if only Wraiths could have gotten a perma-cloak upgrade like Ghosts/Spectres. Also I'm guessing that upgrading vehicle plating during the mission doesn't make the Odin tankier because it's a neutral unit?
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Sep 24, 2023 06:28
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The odin mission's pretty fun, weird plot holes aside. Actually, the one thing that does make sense there is the Odin itself. Militaristic authoritarians love their giant, impractical superweapons. That it's full of completely impractical parts is entirely sensical if you keep in mind that it's probably supposed to be a showpiece, never made for mass production. Instead, when you make something like this, it's to show off new, experimental technology and to push the limits of what you have. What's actually interesting is that it scales down into something legitimately useable, with, presumably, no flushing toilets onboard.
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Sep 24, 2023 06:39
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I was tempted to vote for Haven but what do you say? More giants robots??! Hell yeah!
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Sep 24, 2023 07:21
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You'd think the reveal of Tychus' kill-switch would prompt Raynor to do something, but since the mission is technically optional everyone will ignore it completely going forward.
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Sep 24, 2023 08:09
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Nostalgamus posted:You'd think the reveal of Tychus' kill-switch would prompt Raynor to do something, but since the mission is technically optional everyone will ignore it completely going forward. But instead with the way the game chose to handle between-mission discussions, any of those Raynor/Tychus chats about the kill switch happen totally off-screen.
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Sep 24, 2023 10:57
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You'll think that the kill switch means Tychus is being monitored, so his handlers will know when to flip it. Considering that no order to give the odin an extra inspection was given, apparently not.
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Sep 24, 2023 11:04
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The Odin is absolutely a showpiece superweapon. Mengsk is obsessed with showing off "the might of the Dominion", so he commissioned a big stupid waste of resources to show everyone how strong and cool his clubhouse is. It's actually pretty funny how true-to-life this bit is where the dictator is ignoring the massive problems hanging over his his government and instead investing heavily on shows of force and posturing to keep his people in line.
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Sep 24, 2023 16:30
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In a shocking plot twist, the Odin is actually pretty drat good 
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Sep 24, 2023 19:54
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I do find it amusing that none of the Dominion co-op commanders, including Mengsk himself, get the Odin.
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Sep 24, 2023 19:56
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We got the large mech, now we need the small, transforming mechs
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Cythereal posted:I do find it amusing that none of the Dominion co-op commanders, including Mengsk himself, get the Odin. Well yeah, it got stolen.
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Sep 24, 2023 20:32
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Tychus swiped both the Odin and the laser from the siege tank mission and carried them to Heroes of the Storm as his ultimates.
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Sep 24, 2023 20:36
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One of my old wish list things for SC2, before Blizzard abandoned it, was backporting co-op stuff to single player. Mengsk in co-op legit had a fun and pretty unique play style. One of his iconic things was that his troopers just had a submachine gun, and Mengsk could buy improved weapons for the troopers. Which are then dropped when the trooper dies, so the next man in the wave can pick up the gun.
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Sep 24, 2023 20:38
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Oh, absolutely. I really liked Mengsk as a co-op commander. Absolutely a ruthless playstyle where casualties are acceptable as long as you protect your elites. It would have been VERY neat if they made those commanders with powers and so on go with the single player campaigns. At least a little.
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Cythereal posted:One of my old wish list things for SC2, before Blizzard abandoned it, was backporting co-op stuff to single player. There are a number of campaign mods popping up that are pretty cool. One of them that's in testing and will release a bit later is basically playing as Co-op Stetmann's Mecha-Zerg instead of regular Zerg for Heart of the Swarm.
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Sep 24, 2023 22:09
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This mission and the next two in the sequence are a lot of fun. Odin rules. Also I've heard rumors that starcraft 3 is all-but-confirmed to be being developed currently, which confuses the hell out of me.
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Fajita Queen posted:This mission and the next two in the sequence are a lot of fun. Odin rules. Starcraft 3: Jimmy Starcraft touches the evil space rock and becomes the evil corrupted space man, can the uncorrupted spacemen save Jimmy Starcraft in time? Also, we retconned it so the Zerg were an ancient race of philosopher kings, spending their time in meditation, prior to the Xel'Naga interference, Kerrigan goes on a vision quest to learn more about them. Zeratul sorts his dead toenail collection, finds one of them missing, swears epic vengeance and tells everyone the world is about to end. Turns out he's just gotten into the moonshine again.
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PurpleXVI posted:Starcraft 3: Jimmy Starcraft touches the evil space rock and becomes the evil corrupted space man, can the uncorrupted spacemen save Jimmy Starcraft in time? Also, we retconned it so the Zerg were an ancient race of philosopher kings, spending their time in meditation, prior to the Xel'Naga interference, Kerrigan goes on a vision quest to learn more about them. Zeratul sorts his dead toenail collection, finds one of them missing, swears epic vengeance and tells everyone the world is about to end. Turns out he's just gotten into the moonshine again. But enough about Warcraft.
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PurpleXVI posted:Starcraft 3: Jimmy Starcraft touches the evil space rock and becomes the evil corrupted space man, can the uncorrupted spacemen save Jimmy Starcraft in time? Also, we retconned it so the Zerg were an ancient race of philosopher kings, spending their time in meditation, prior to the Xel'Naga interference, Kerrigan goes on a vision quest to learn more about them. Zeratul sorts his dead toenail collection, finds one of them missing, swears epic vengeance and tells everyone the world is about to end. Turns out he's just gotten into the moonshine again. Starcraft: Repercussions of Evil No, Jim. You are the zerg
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Hell, just yesterday I had a group of friends who played a Lancer one-shot session that used an adaptation of the SC2 train mission.
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Fajita Queen posted:Also I've heard rumors that starcraft 3 is all-but-confirmed to be being developed currently, which confuses the hell out of me. Blizzard delivered two major games this year, Diablo 4 and Overwatch 2, the current iterations of WoW and Hearthstone keep chugging along in their current forms, so a new Starcraft seems to be their only real option to continue an existing series. And in terms of development time, the gap between Brood War (1999) and Starcraft 2 (2010) was 12 years. Legacy of the Void is now 8 years old, so if you assume they're early in development and a couple years away, it seems pretty reasonable to think they're moving on SC3. The only real confusion is the usual "god I'm fuckin old, how is that eight years ago" sense of time. Who the gently caress knows about the story though. SC2 veers far enough from the 'expected' track from the end of BW that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see SC3 take a hard pivot from the ending of Legacy of the Void.
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I would vainly hope that with Starcraft 2's story being pretty conclusive toward all the things that made that story suck, a hypothetical sequel could be written much better with a clean slate. But I'm really not sure I trust Blizzard to be able to do that. And that's itself assuming Blizzard manages to clean house enough to be worth spending money on by the time it releases. That's a lot of planets to align before it even might be worth buying.
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MagusofStars posted:Who the gently caress knows about the story though. SC2 veers far enough from the 'expected' track from the end of BW that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see SC3 take a hard pivot from the ending of Legacy of the Void. Not gonna lie, I hope we get to invade/save Earth or something.
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The return of the UED, corrupted by another evil Xel'naga who was hiding from all the others. That, or it's now a RPG based off of the tabletop rules
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Starcraft with a Dawn of War: Dark Crusade style strategic map would be pretty amazing tbh. Just trying to Manifest this idea into the universe
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Given the totality of the circumstances around SC2’s finale, I wouldn’t be surprised if a hypothetical SC3 is a prequel, a distant enough sequel that it’s effectively a new story, or even a straight up reboot of the setting.
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GunnerJ posted:Starcraft with a Dawn of War: Dark Crusade style strategic map would be pretty amazing tbh. Just trying to Manifest this idea into the universe Having just recently replayed Rise of Legends which also had a Risk map for the campaign, gods yes. I still like RoL but it's slow and very... flawed. And I can only play Dark Crusade so many times. I need more Risk map RTSes that aren't DoW: Soulstorm.
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