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Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Rust Martialis posted:

I am unaware of any significant such acts *by the Vietnamese*, including their fight against the Japanese, French, Americans and I suppose Chinese.

I am excluding any acts by the former South Vietnamese government, to be clear.

Well, okay then. I'm sure the millions of people fleeing Vietnam after 1975 until the 90s, huge portions of many minority groups becoming refugees, as well as numerous other accounts of political repression during and after the war were just coincidental.

Rust Martialis posted:

Edit: I see there were some examples I was unaware of, notably Hue. Welp.

Yeah, "some". loving lol.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Sep 25, 2023

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Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Rust Martialis posted:

I am unaware of any significant such acts *by the Vietnamese*, including their fight against the Japanese, French, Americans and I suppose Chinese.

I am excluding any acts by the former South Vietnamese government, to be clear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_the_Montagnard_in_Vietnam

It ain't great. South Vietnam started some of the worst of it, but it continued post unification.

His Divine Shadow posted:

Eli Valley was mentioned, he is an anti zionist jewish cartoonist. AFAIK he hasn't said anything about russia since Trumps 2016 election.

people keep taking swings at him in various contexts and calling him a self-hating jewish person in that gross "hating the atrocities of the Israeli government means you're a self-hating anti-semite" bon mot. Given the weird, broad grab bag of names I'm going to agree with the previous poster calling this an assortment of people on twitter that made the creator of this downfall meme variant angry at some point and he decided to mix them in with actual russia/genocide supporters in order to make them all seem that way.

tl;dr: stupid internet poo poo with most of the Trumpenreich era internet darlings showing their rear end at some point or another.

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Sep 25, 2023

Dumb Sex-Parrot
Dec 25, 2020

 
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Randarkman posted:

Well, okay then. I'm sure the millions of people fleeing Vietnam after 1975 until the 90s, huge portions of many minority groups becoming refugees, as well as numerous other accounts of political repression during and after the war were just coincidental.

Dude no one's going to give you a hard time for explaining your point of view and/or give some sources to back it up (unless you use football terminology). Just post.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
When the Tet Offensive happened, the NLF troops attacking the cities had lists of people to be rounded up and killed- in Hue, where the offensive was most successful, this was enacted, which was one thing that generally shored up Thieu's support. I'm not sure South Vietnamese teachers are war criminals, but i'm sure there'll be some forthcoming explanation.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Ronwayne posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_the_Montagnard_in_Vietnam

It ain't great. South Vietnam started some of the worst of it, but it continued post unification.

Well, I learned some stuff today. Humans just like being poo poo to other humans for stupid reasons.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

Dude no one's going to give you a hard time for explaining your point of view and/or give some sources to back it up (unless you use football terminology). Just post.

For what I mentioned? Just look into the Vietnamese part of the Indochina refugee crisis and note the reasons given for the massive numbers and how often it seems that minority groups are affected.

Plus you know the government in North Vietnam and later united Vietnam was every inch as ruthless as the one in the South, and actively used repression alongside political and national mobilization to control the populace.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Honestly I kinda doubt some of these numbers and allegations of high profile kills simply because there hasn’t been the mother of all diaper-bursting, pants filling missile tantrums thrown at Ukraine like every other time Russia gets owned.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

gay picnic defence posted:

Honestly I kinda doubt some of these numbers and allegations of high profile kills simply because there hasn’t been the mother of all diaper-bursting, pants filling missile tantrums thrown at Ukraine like every other time Russia gets owned.

It could realistically be they are running low on missiles. They've been using a lot of more of the Iranian drones.

But Ukraine has also been targeting a lot of the the infrastructure and equipment for drone strikes from Russia.

dennyk
Jan 2, 2005

Cheese-Buyer's Remorse

gay picnic defence posted:

Honestly I kinda doubt some of these numbers and allegations of high profile kills simply because there hasn’t been the mother of all diaper-bursting, pants filling missile tantrums thrown at Ukraine like every other time Russia gets owned.

They went a bit hog-wild on Odessa last night, though that pales in comparison to their usual country-wide tantrums. They might genuinely not have enough of a supply of missiles and drones left to blow them all on pointless revenge strikes, though; if they do still have the ordinance then they're probably saving it to do more attacks on utility infrastructure come wintertime.

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Dec 25, 2020

 
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Randarkman posted:

Plus you know the government in North Vietnam and later united Vietnam was every inch as ruthless as the one in the South, and actively used repression alongside political and national mobilization to control the populace.

Not really. I don't know anything about that. :shobon:

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




gay picnic defence posted:

Honestly I kinda doubt some of these numbers and allegations of high profile kills simply because there hasn’t been the mother of all diaper-bursting, pants filling missile tantrums thrown at Ukraine like every other time Russia gets owned.

Some very good points have already been raised about supplies but also these revenge strikes are intended to smooth over losses to audiences back home, and that's probably having less of an ongoing effect.

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Sep 25, 2023

Deus Ex Macklemore
Jul 2, 2004


Zelensky's Zealots
Cross posting from another Ukraine thread, didn't see this here. Could also explain the lack of tantrums - that they aren't getting through as much anymore. Probably a combination of all the factors plus Putin being a huge pile of poo poo

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1706219091852177604

quote:

Footage of a US-supplied AN/TWQ-1 Avenger SHORAD system in service with the Ukrainian 1129th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment successfully downing a Russian cruise missile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TWQ-1_Avenger

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




One of the more amusing things these temper tantrum revenge strikes showed everyone is that the Kinzhal's specs were vastly overstated ( by 2/3rds ) and absolutely not worth it's price tag.

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

gay picnic defence posted:

Honestly I kinda doubt some of these numbers and allegations of high profile kills simply because there hasn’t been the mother of all diaper-bursting, pants filling missile tantrums thrown at Ukraine like every other time Russia gets owned.

Russian media stated that Russia used stealth versions of the kinzhal cruise missiles to completely destroy the airport the strike was launched from. They claimed to have killed a large number of Ukranian and NATO troops, "including poles," whom they accused of coordinating the strike.

Why send the missiles when you can just tell everyone you sent the missiles?

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"
As the russians keep claiming they have killed polish and German soldiers fighting in Ukraine, NATO might as well send in ground troops as this clearly isn't a red line for the russians given that they think it is already happening.

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

Putin is a real piece of poo poo.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

a pipe smoking dog posted:

As the russians keep claiming they have killed polish and German soldiers fighting in Ukraine, NATO might as well send in ground troops as this clearly isn't a red line for the russians given that they think it is already happening.

The funniest parts are when they start complaining about being attacked by Romanians and Albanians.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

a pipe smoking dog posted:

As the russians keep claiming they have killed polish and German soldiers fighting in Ukraine, NATO might as well send in ground troops as this clearly isn't a red line for the russians given that they think it is already happening.

Only tankies/useful idiots and vatniks are thinking it's happening right now. Huge difference if the majority of the Russian population and the people in charge start thinking it too.

NoiseAnnoys
May 17, 2010

Ronwayne posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_the_Montagnard_in_Vietnam

It ain't great. South Vietnam started some of the worst of it, but it continued post unification.

people keep taking swings at him in various contexts and calling him a self-hating jewish person in that gross "hating the atrocities of the Israeli government means you're a self-hating anti-semite" bon mot. Given the weird, broad grab bag of names I'm going to agree with the previous poster calling this an assortment of people on twitter that made the creator of this downfall meme variant angry at some point and he decided to mix them in with actual russia/genocide supporters in order to make them all seem that way.

tl;dr: stupid internet poo poo with most of the Trumpenreich era internet darlings showing their rear end at some point or another.

yeah, like people can dunk on chapo or cumtown whatever because they suck, but there is some really werid poo poo going on in that meme that feels very... off.

Set
Oct 30, 2005

gay picnic defence posted:

Honestly I kinda doubt some of these numbers and allegations of high profile kills simply because there hasn’t been the mother of all diaper-bursting, pants filling missile tantrums thrown at Ukraine like every other time Russia gets owned.

In the best case scenario, it might be because a lot of the people responsible for planning and organizing these terror attacks just got vaporized.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

GABA ghoul posted:

Only tankies/useful idiots and vatniks are thinking it's happening right now. Huge difference if the majority of the Russian population and the people in charge start thinking it too.
We literally had a post a few days ago about by russian state news about how they blew up a Leo tank with Bundeswehr crew. I say send in the coalition now.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1706237220758147200

quote:

More information about yesterday’s Khalino military airfield incident. As per Main Directorate of Intelligence of Ukraine:
At the airfield "Khalino" in the Kursk region, a Ukrainian drone was landed by Russian electronic warfare systems on the runway. When the leadership of the aviation regiment and FSB officers arrived for closer inspection drone exploded. As claimed, the following were killed or injured during the explosion:
→ commander of the 14th aviation regiment;
→ one of his deputies;
→ a group of aviator officers;
→ a representative of the FSB military counterintelligence;
→ airport employees.

Why are they always like this?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Drone Operator: "Oh no, I've crashed......come closer....."

RDM
Apr 6, 2009

I LOVE FINLAND AND ESPECIALLY FINLAND'S MILITARY ALLIANCES, GOOGLE FINLAND WORLD WAR 2 FOR MORE INFORMATION SLAVA UKRANI
What a bunch of wascially wabbits

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
you guys don't get it

nato sent stealth poles and stealth germans who could only be killed by stealth weapons

nato will not tell you this!!!

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Putin has ordered no step backwards. And demanded that the Ukrainian counteroffensive be stalled for the next month.

I think he might be a little disconnected from the reality on the ground

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

... this is some Wile E Coyote poo poo.

NoiseAnnoys posted:

yeah, like people can dunk on chapo or cumtown whatever because they suck, but there is some really werid poo poo going on in that meme that feels very... off.

One of the worst things about the years of russian internet coordinated trolling is you can't be sure if people are being stupid in a very simple way, or being stupid in a very complex, very intricate way.

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Sep 25, 2023

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
quote not edit

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

Russian officers' logic:
when Wagnerites take military HQ and are marching on Moscow - "I'm sorry I am too drunk after Friday night to do anything, good luck"
when armed drone is landed on the runway - "I must closely inspect this incident at once!"

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Ronwayne posted:

... this is some Wile E Coyote poo poo.

One of the worst things about the years of russian internet coordinated trolling is you can't be sure if people are being stupid in a very simple way, or being stupid in a very complex, very intricate way.



it's always the first

we gave the russians the benefit of the doubt because they write longass misery porn and hadn't self owned on the battlefield in decades

Burns
May 10, 2008


Theyre just trolling them now, arent they?

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.


TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



Alan Smithee posted:

it's always the first

we gave the russians the benefit of the doubt because they write longass misery porn and hadn't self owned on the battlefield in decades

The entire IC/ most of the geo-political community thought the Russians were masterminds of internet subterfuge and creating tensions in western states; this war just showed us that no the average Russian Statist believes pretty much the same insane poo poo as your western nazi, there was no genius behind it, they just also have brains that are burning eggs, and it's just birds of a feather.

lomzus
Mar 18, 2009
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1706282292853854223

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1706271955521786111

Clerical Terrors
Apr 24, 2016

I'm so tired, I'm so very tired

Lmao

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k

uh, sure


good luck with that

zone
Dec 6, 2016


And yet none of these people will heroically volunteer to be shelled in trenches, that's for other suckers and losers, right? :rolleye:

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

looks like this guy took over the role of a hammy crazy idiot in the State Duma from the late Zhiri (along with Medvedev), even his facial features are somewhat similar

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011


drat, they are sending all the oligarchs and their fail-children to the front?

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zone
Dec 6, 2016

GABA ghoul posted:

drat, they are sending all the oligarchs and their fail-children to the front?

Some oligarch failsons are part of recon/drone units.

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