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Chas McGill posted:Just finished The Last Action Heroes and it was an easy, breezy listen without being particularly illuminating or having many revelations. My main take away is that Jackie Chan is the real tough guy and I wish most of the book had been dedicated to him. I've come to terms with the fact that there simply won't ever be another Jackie Chan. I don't think the conditions and environment that created him exist anymore.
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I cannot believe that nobody has mentioned that  Justin Lin is directing a reboot of The One (2001) with a $200 million budget I hope they keep the opening narration that explains what a multiverse is verbatim. 
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VROOM VROOM posted:I cannot believe that nobody has mentioned that This is going to sound weird. But why? I can't imagine a better cast. Blow the money on a Stainless Steel Rat movie instead! Same author and the Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World has a perfect action movie bit to steal.
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I'm guessing the Why is to capitalize on multiversal stuff like everybody else and The One was ahead of its time in that regard.
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VROOM VROOM posted:I cannot believe that nobody has mentioned that That is genuinely so extremely loving weird. I have to imagine Lin more or less gets to pick his projects these days and he's doing that with it? I suspect that it might be a Starship Troopers situation: it's a broadly similar script and they're worried about being sued. They decide to just buy the remake rights (how much can those be worth in 2023?) rather than risk that lawsuit.
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BRING BACK STATHAM MAKE HIM DO THE ACCENT
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Not gonna lie, I thought the "Jet Li moving normally while everyone else is in slow motion" fight scenes in the original were sick. They ran it into the ground by the end but still. With $200 million you could have a ton of fun with that
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Imagine that, but fully CGI
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no Drowning Pool needledrop, no sale
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Sep 25, 2023 16:48
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The One really kicks rear end and holds up.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:15
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well why not posted:BRING BACK STATHAM MAKE HIM HAVE HAIR
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Sep 25, 2023 17:20
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Can we do the One, but make it twice as long
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The One 2
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Instead of Jet Li, we are going to cast a carousal of dead action giants. Imagine Bruce Lee, but like an undead ghoul.
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In honor our studio's newfound embrace of diversity and people of color, we will include a new character, named snips, who is the main character's new best friend, who says drat! a lot. Played by Chris Tucker.
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Pillowpants posted:Have you read or listened to his other book about how comedians of the 80s? poonchasta posted:I've come to terms with the fact that there simply won't ever be another Jackie Chan. I don't think the conditions and environment that created him exist anymore. The current crop of martial arts guys are talented but the style and philosophy can't be recaptured.
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Also the studio and distribution systems that existed when he made his movies. Let's not discount that.
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It's a topic that Scott Adkins brings up a lot in the Art of Action series, the overall production freedom that someone like Jackie had in the 80s combined with the ridiculously high work ethic and a stunt team that would take a bullet for him and worshipped the ground he walked on, it was a perfect storm. Like, if a scene or particular shot wasn't working they just kept going until it did. No such thing as "well that doesn't look great but we have 20 other shots to get today so we have to move on".
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There's a big video about how the hong Kong system basically fell apart by the mid 90s and never recovered, I can't find it though. But yeah, I listen to a lot of Jacobus/Adkins interviews and there's so much talk about the old ways of making movies that just don't apply anymore. A perfect storm is the right term. It's too bad, because I think interest in action is really high now compared to a decade ago (before the Raid burst onto the scene) but you can see that the American studios just don't understand it and most of them remain focused on doing coverage shooting with shots chosen in editing later, rather than short but specific takes where theres no choice for the editing. It costs too much time and money that the execs would rather waste on whatever they waste it on
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Chas McGill posted:No, might grab it if it's a similar vibe. I'm a bit less interested in the subject matter though. Jackie also had an absolutely incredible stunt team behind him and guys like Sammo Hung who could direct the action. I don't think Jackie would be as well known if he didn't surround himself with talent like he did.
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American action at some point also became way way too focused on long takes. Maybe it was after Daredevil got all that attention for the longtake scene it did in it's first season? Maybe it was after John Wick came on the scene and people were talking about how few cuts there were compared to other action movies? I dunno but it's an aspect of classic Hong Kong stuff that seems to be lost on most American filmmakers, the idea of purposeful cuts to emphasize impact and create rhythm so that the audience can feel the flow of the scene. Somewhere along the line people saw how Liam Neeson was being made fun of for not being able to hop a fence without three cuts and made the leap that cuts were always bad regardless of context.
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Basebf555 posted:American action at some point also became way way too focused on long takes. Maybe it was after Daredevil got all that attention for the longtake scene it did in it's first season? Maybe it was after John Wick came on the scene and people were talking about how few cuts there were compared to other action movies? I dunno but it's an aspect of classic Hong Kong stuff that seems to be lost on most American filmmakers, the idea of purposeful cuts to emphasize impact and create rhythm so that the audience can feel the flow of the scene. Somewhere along the line people saw how Liam Neeson was being made fun of for not being able to hop a fence without three cuts and made the leap that cuts were always bad regardless of context.
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I agree, western action movies need more cuts https://youtu.be/gCKhktcbfQM?si=FBQwYQExJBafWsgo
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There are two different problems: capable and talented performers being used in long cuts or fake oners that can damage cinematography, geography, and fight rhythm, and micro-cutting around an ailing star who can't actually do the action.
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trevorreznik posted:The opening scene of JCVD (2008) makes fun of this. Which is crazy because it's still a problem. i only caught up with this movie recently when i marathoned like 30 Van Damme movies and i think this became one of my favorite movie scenes of all time.
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Basebf555 posted:Liam Neeson was being made fun of for not being able to hop a fence without three cuts and made the leap that cuts were always bad regardless of context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by4UZ-79MK4 Its at the very least 12 cuts. My eyes hurt trying to count more than that.
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TBF it's not just an action thing, it's been a trend in movies for decades. it's just particularly egregious in action movies.
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Neeson is a thousand years old, to be fair. He's not the only example - Shaft 2019 is designed so Sam Jackson never has to move above a leisurely stroll - but it's definitely the most glaring. I'd assumed the single take fetishism was also a bit of a reaction to the shakycam days of the mid 2000s.
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If you had to get around neeson jumping a fence you just need like 3 cuts. Run towards French, hop up Someone stunt climbing the fence Neeson on the other side hopping down connecting it Bababooey
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You could also just not write a scene where your ancient star has to go over a fence.
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It comes and goes. I was watching/reading something about how old Hollywood did a lot of longer takes due to the roots in stage/theater production and took quite some time to get away from that. Heck , look at Errol Flynn or Buster Keatons work and you see that the takes are long. The difference is there isn't much camera movement. I'm not much of a film buff so my main reference for the modern long take is Touch of Evil by Welles in 56, which then gets directly referenced by the Player. Right around the same time theres the Hard Boiled hospital fight, but that's just a segment in a 45 minute action scene so it never stood out the same way to me. But it isn't until Old Boy (2003) that I'm aware of it being used for a hand to hand fight scene. Then you have a bunch of prestige TV also doing it , overseas productions, and big Hollywood movies, so who knows when which one shot was in production before another. From memory it's Old Boy 2003 Protector 05 (seen by no one but action fans) Children of Men 06 (pretty big but still niche) , but these ones are guns not hand to hand JCVD 08 but other than protector/old boy what is it even referencing? Taken comes out later this year fwiw Gravity 2013, but this isn't even combat True detective 2014, but this is more like children of men. Kingsmen church fight. This blows up and is all over YouTube and people talking about it that aren't into action. First mainstream breakthrough I think Daredevil 15. This is I think where it gets super mainstream Game of thrones episodes around this time. Can't pin down my memories of which ones and where but they were definitely a thing Atomic Blonde 17, showing with enough training and determination anyone in Hollywood can do it And it's been kind of plateaued since then. Wick 4 had the excellent example of realizing a oner was boring without anything else and then choosing a completely different camera perspective.
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Atomic Blonde rocks, idk about relegating Theron and Leitch to "anyone in hollywood".
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well why not posted:Atomic Blonde rocks, idk about relegating Theron and Leitch to "anyone in hollywood". Honestly I should have said that about Kingsman and Colin Firth. Theron's one of my favorite action performers, I'm not trying to undersell her.
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well why not posted:Atomic Blonde rocks, idk about relegating Theron and Leitch to "anyone in hollywood". Sam Hargrave (director of the Extraction movies) was a stunt co-ordinator on that too I think. Also, it's been a while since I've seen it but doesn't Thin Red Line use a lot of long takes? (Both Malick and Cuaron are both in love with Sergey Urusevsky's cinematography) High Warlord Zog fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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well why not posted:You could also just not write a scene where your ancient star has to go over a fence. It’s a movie. You can write anything you want
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kinda came out of nowhere but a screening double billed (had to pay twice  ) with Creator was an Indian movie Kill which some of you might be down for it's The Raid on a train
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Trains are just one long moving hallway so that sounds perfect
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Alan Smithee posted:kinda came out of nowhere but a screening double billed (had to pay twice I caught KILL earlier this month and it loving rocks. Very similar to The Raid but horizontal instead of vertical.
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flashy_mcflash posted:I caught KILL earlier this month and it loving rocks. Very similar to The Raid but horizontal instead of vertical. I actually did have a question what happened with the mole guy who jammed the phones and promised to help with the hammer but stood by and did nothing? It looked like him and 3 guys wanted to jump off and the guys ahead of him ate poo poo doing it? It cut after he watched them do it and iirc he just never showed up again
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