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Looks like a screencap of a cut scene from Red Alert 2
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Sep 25, 2023 16:00
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NTRabbit posted:Looks like a screencap of a cut scene from Red Alert 2 Dammit!!!  I was going to post the same. 
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Sep 25, 2023 16:16
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CommieGIR posted:Drone Operator: "Oh no, I've crashed......come closer....." Step brother I've crashed
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Sep 25, 2023 16:19
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Christ, there is geniune concern in Russia that the diesel/gasoline export ban was too late. Farmers might not be able to get the fuel to harvest all the crops due to the war sucking it up. Also due to price caps on fuel in Russia, the Government might not have the funds to be able to pay the excess cash above the caps when farmers that do have access to fuel fill up their farm vehicles. Throw in that Russia needs food for it's war and it also needs that cash from exporting fuel that it no longer exports. In short Womp
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Sep 25, 2023 16:22
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Tai posted:Christ, there is geniune concern in Russia that the diesel/gasoline export ban was too late. Farmers might not be able to get the fuel to harvest all the crops due to the war sucking it up. 
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Sep 25, 2023 16:24
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[Gauntlet Legends and/or Dark Legacy voice] Russia needs fuel badly.
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Sep 25, 2023 16:25
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Don't shoot the fuel!
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Sep 25, 2023 16:30
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Tai posted:Christ, there is geniune concern in Russia that the diesel/gasoline export ban was too late. Farmers might not be able to get the fuel to harvest all the crops due to the war sucking it up.
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Sep 25, 2023 16:39
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lmao at China and India inadvertently loving Russia. So Europe was the main buyer of finished oil products but noped out of that. India and China buy from Russia but don't want finished products, just crude. They refine it themselves and use or sell it. Because Russia needs cash, it sold on it's crude oil and 45% of it's mega refineries went idle due to not being cost efficient. This caused a fuel shortage along with a 25% price increase along with a lot of farmland unable to be harvested. Now that it has banned gasoline/diesel (not Kaza/Belar/Armenia/another country I've forgotten) it will also get less export cash. Lol and lmao
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Sep 25, 2023 16:49
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What was the actual agreed realpolitik reason for invading Ukraine? Resources, space, rebuilding the empire?
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Sep 25, 2023 16:53
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Denazification
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Sep 25, 2023 16:55
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“Ukraine is not a real country”
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Sep 25, 2023 16:56
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Was there ever one? The most recent casus belli I saw was this one 
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Sep 25, 2023 16:57
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sebmojo posted:What was the actual agreed realpolitik reason for invading Ukraine? Resources, space, rebuilding the empire? Putin is a piece of poo poo
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Sep 25, 2023 17:01
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sebmojo posted:What was the actual agreed realpolitik reason for invading Ukraine? Resources, space, rebuilding the empire? My assumption is that securing Crimea was the #1 goal, taking more chunks just for the sake of creating a land route with a safety buffer around it, but it's anyone's guess what the reasoning actually was 
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Sep 25, 2023 17:01
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Karma Comedian posted:Denazification Ok fine, but no really. Not the propaganda, more, 'this is why having Ukraine will make Putin/Russia stronger '
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Sep 25, 2023 17:01
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sebmojo posted:What was the actual agreed realpolitik reason for invading Ukraine? Resources, space, rebuilding the empire? NATO/US backed Russia into a corner and they had to prevent Ukraine from joining.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:02
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Land bridge to Crimea to solidify logistics, tons of farmland to shore up their grain production and further their strategic aims in Africa. Pissing in the West's cheerios after the anti-corruption revolution. Show the world that Russia's (red) Star is on the rise. Take your pick; who knows the real thoughts behind the shitman's actions?
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Sep 25, 2023 17:04
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so general rodney dangerfield wants total war now?
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Sep 25, 2023 17:04
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Rugz posted:Was there ever one? The most recent casus belli I saw was this one guess they have to invade hell now too.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:05
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I used to joke about how Americans seem to think the solution homelessness is to just round up all the homeless and put them into a giant box and tip it into the ocean, but Russia is finding a way to actually do it pretty much
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Sep 25, 2023 17:13
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sebmojo posted:What was the actual agreed realpolitik reason for invading Ukraine? Resources, space, rebuilding the empire? Russia has claimed dozens of reasons, so there's no point in entertaining what they think. In terms of what could Russia hope to gain: Nothing. The invasion was such a stupid idea from the outset that a lot of analysts were sceptical they were serious about invading. Ukraine is worth more as a trade partner. However, if we look at the timeline of events, it's clear the war is a reaction to Ukraine moving closer to the EU. Russia apparently cannot accept Ukraine having closer relations with the EU.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:13
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RDM posted:I'm sure there's some ethnic region that will get zero food. Gives the "ackshwally it's not really a genocide" people something to argue about for the next 50 years. Given that tankies will happily say that using Wagner penal battalions was a stroke of genius because it got rid of undesirable elements of Russian society I doubt there will be any qualms about a little selectively distributing food to massage certain demographics of Russian society.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:18
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sebmojo posted:Ok fine, but no really. Not the propaganda, more, 'this is why having Ukraine will make Putin/Russia stronger ' Putin wanted to finish off what he started in 2014, by destroying Ukraine as an independent state, and stealing choice bits of its territory for Russian use. It was planned as a pointed example of what happens to disloyal client states, and a demonstration of the West's weakness.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:32
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Toxic Mental posted:I used to joke about how Americans seem to think the solution homelessness is to just round up all the homeless and put them into a giant box and tip it into the ocean, but Russia is finding a way to actually do it pretty much They already took care of their prison population...
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Sep 25, 2023 17:33
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Antigravitas posted:Russia has claimed dozens of reasons, so there's no point in entertaining what they think. Someone should have told Russia that they could join the EU too if they wanted. Or not, that'd be fine also. Wild.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:34
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Haystack posted:Putin wanted to finish off what he started in 2014, by destroying Ukraine as an independent state, and stealing choice bits of its territory for Russian use. It was planned as a pointed example of what happens to disloyal client states, and a demonstration of the West's weakness. Have you considered that I saw an Azov battalion guy once? Check and Checkmate libcuck
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Sep 25, 2023 17:35
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Antigravitas posted:However, if we look at the timeline of events, it's clear the war is a reaction to Ukraine moving closer to the EU. Russia apparently cannot accept Ukraine having closer relations with the EU. A free and prosperous Ukraine is a threat to Putins regime, if Russians see that democracy can actually work and make your country a better place to live, they might start having ideas about their own.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:35
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To the extent that there is geopolitical logic to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it's that Putin wants Russia to be a respected (feared) Great Power like it used to be under the czars and the Soviets, and the only reason it's not is because it got tricked into signing away its empire in 1989 and 1991, and the proper response to that is to reassemble the old czarist/Soviet empire, starting with countries in near-abroad that should never have fallen out of Russian control in the first place. His various wars in Chechnya and Georgia, and the 2014 annexation of Crimea, were his initial steps towards that goal, and in 2022 he believed conditions were ripe for him to take the next step, which was to invade Ukraine, occupy the country fully, and replace its western-leaning leadership with Moscow-aligned puppets. He greatly misjudged the situation, both on the ground in Ukraine (where he was told the Zelenskyy regime was a rotten shell with no real popular support, and people would welcome the re-imposition of Russian rule) and in the west (which he considered weak, divided, bought-off, and unwilling to mess with such a critical provider of fossil fuels), and he thought that a three-day operation would win him control of Ukraine as a fait accompli before the west could even begin to act, and that the effects of any sanctions would be mild and temporary (because he held Europe's economy hostage to his gas and oil exports). It's really not that complicated or hard to figure out his thinking, it's just very, very dumb.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:36
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The West was using a carrot on Ukraine so Russia decided to use it's stick. Turns out "the West" has a bigger stick to go along with that carrot.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:40
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Tai posted:Christ, there is geniune concern in Russia that the diesel/gasoline export ban was too late. Farmers might not be able to get the fuel to harvest all the crops due to the war sucking it up. Dang, that sounds really bad. Shame there's nothing Russia can do about it, such as stop this invasion and go home, which would free up all that fuel for other uses... but no, that's obviously impossible. RDM posted:I'm sure there's some ethnic region that will get zero food. Gives the "ackshwally it's not really a genocide" people something to argue about for the next 50 years. This post is completely inaccurate. The Holodomor happened 90 years ago, so the tankies will argue about the next one for at least another 90 years.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:42
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FMguru posted:To the extent that there is geopolitical logic to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it's that Putin wants Russia to be a respected (feared) Great Power like it used to be under the czars and the Soviets, and the only reason it's not is because it got tricked into signing away its empire in 1989 and 1991, and the proper response to that is to reassemble the old czarist/Soviet empire, starting with countries in near-abroad that should never have fallen out of Russian control in the first place. His various wars in Chechnya and Georgia, and the 2014 annexation of Crimea, were his initial steps towards that goal, and in 2022 he believed conditions were ripe for him to take the next step, which was to invade Ukraine, occupy the country fully, and replace its western-leaning leadership with Moscow-aligned puppets. He greatly misjudged the situation, both on the ground in Ukraine (where he was told the Zelenskyy regime was a rotten shell with no real popular support, and people would welcome the re-imposition of Russian rule) and in the west (which he considered weak, divided, bought-off, and unwilling to mess with such a critical provider of fossil fuels), and he thought that a three-day operation would win him control of Ukraine as a fait accompli before the west could even begin to act, and that the effects of any sanctions would be mild and temporary (because he held Europe's economy hostage to his gas and oil exports).  Dumb Poots also thought certain things were involatile - most notably Germany's dependance on gas (  also the S-400). Dumb Poots dunning-krugered his way through geopolitics directly into a regime-ending fuckup. Now if he could just take the L and capitulate...
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Sep 25, 2023 17:44
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The Russian mentality vis-a-vis the West going into this war seems to be akin to someone being smugly confident they have managed to get a family to argue over who the best character in Gossip Girl is and being really surprised that the whole family drop the argument when you kick their dog.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:44
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Outcome A) win kyiv in 3 days, puppet government brings it into russian control (see crimea operation) Outcome B) ukraine was totally incompetent as a military in 2014, so we can easily roll over them, even if we don't get kyiv instantly, we get half the country and can negotiate down to the parts we most want with their spineless government
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Sep 25, 2023 17:45
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FMguru posted:To the extent that there is geopolitical logic to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it's that Putin wants Russia to be a respected (feared) Great Power like it used to be under the czars and the Soviets, and the only reason it's not is because it got tricked into signing away its empire in 1989 and 1991, and the proper response to that is to reassemble the old czarist/Soviet empire, starting with countries in near-abroad that should never have fallen out of Russian control in the first place. His various wars in Chechnya and Georgia, and the 2014 annexation of Crimea, were his initial steps towards that goal, and in 2022 he believed conditions were ripe for him to take the next step, which was to invade Ukraine, occupy the country fully, and replace its western-leaning leadership with Moscow-aligned puppets. He greatly misjudged the situation, both on the ground in Ukraine (where he was told the Zelenskyy regime was a rotten shell with no real popular support, and people would welcome the re-imposition of Russian rule) and in the west (which he considered weak, divided, bought-off, and unwilling to mess with such a critical provider of fossil fuels), and he thought that a three-day operation would win him control of Ukraine as a fait accompli before the west could even begin to act, and that the effects of any sanctions would be mild and temporary (because he held Europe's economy hostage to his gas and oil exports). While you are right, I think it's important to remember that pretty much every western military advisor was saying the same thing at the time. The amount of resistance that the Ukrainians put up caught everyone off guard and has to be commended.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:45
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If i was Russia in the 90's I'd simply have pushed hard to become a liberal democracy with close ties to the europe and the west. Country might actually be nice by now.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:46
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Baronjutter posted:If i was Russia in the 90's I'd simply have pushed hard to become a liberal democracy with close ties to the europe and the west. Country might actually be nice by now.  but then you couldnt have made a hundred individuals wealthier than God
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Sep 25, 2023 17:48
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Toxic Mental posted:Have you considered that I saw an Azov battalion guy once? Check and Checkmate libcuck Hey so did I! 
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Sep 25, 2023 17:50
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sebmojo posted:What was the actual agreed realpolitik reason for invading Ukraine? Resources, space, rebuilding the empire? The US engineered the invasion to advance US strategic goals because the war provides geopolitical benefits to the US. As this was quite clear to Russia, they invaded to demonstrate their support for US interests.
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Sep 25, 2023 17:51
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sebmojo posted:What was the actual agreed realpolitik reason for invading Ukraine? Resources, space, rebuilding the empire? Some bullshit about NATO expansion
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