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IcePhoenix posted:I mean you edited your post while I was responding to agree with that so I don't know what else you want me to tell you quote:"competent" or "decent" isn't "playoff caliber" I'm not trying to be overly pedantic, and I apologize for being dismissive with my last post, but your point I was replying to implies none of Maeda, Berrios etc are play off caliber starters. Then suddenly conversation moved to they aren't top of the rotation playoff starters, which if that was your original point, we'd have agreed from the start. Dobnak is the lone post-rebuild starter who doesn't belong, and that's because Pineda was suspended very late in the season. Maeda, Berrios, and Odorizzi threw 19 IP and gave up 4 ER across 4 postseason starts. The Twins scored 1 run in 3 of those games. Ervin Santana is really the only decent starter to struggle in the postseason (post-rebuild). It's a mixed bag when you go further back, but I acknowledged that out of the gate. And in those games, it was just bad all around, with run scoring really becoming an issue beginning in 2006. You're right that better pitching might have shut down an opponent in a way Berrios and co couldn't, but that's kinda irrelevant with the run production they've gotten. Teams still average around 4 runs/game in the postseason, again, the Twins are barely clearing 2 of late. Anyway, we are both believers in this staff, it seems, and that's what matters now. Eric the Mauve posted:Ah yes, legendary playoff superstar Clayton Kershaw True! But this is sort of my larger point. Having an ace doesn't guarantee poo poo.
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Milovan Drecun posted:I'm not trying to be overly pedantic, and I apologize for being dismissive with my last post, but your point I was replying to implies none of Maeda, Berrios etc are play off caliber starters. Then suddenly conversation moved to they aren't top of the rotation playoff starters, which if that was your original point, we'd have agreed from the start. Dobnak is the lone post-rebuild starter who doesn't belong, and that's because Pineda was suspended very late in the season. Maeda, Berrios, and Odorizzi threw 19 IP and gave up 4 ER across 4 postseason starts. The Twins scored 1 run in 3 of those games. Ervin Santana is really the only decent starter to struggle in the postseason (post-rebuild). It's a mixed bag when you go further back, but I acknowledged that out of the gate. And in those games, it was just bad all around, with run scoring really becoming an issue beginning in 2006. You're right that better pitching might have shut down an opponent in a way Berrios and co couldn't, but that's kinda irrelevant with the run production they've gotten. Teams still average around 4 runs/game in the postseason, again, the Twins are barely clearing 2 of late. Yeah, I should have worded it better. When I said "Playoff caliber starting pitching" I was referring to the staff as a whole, so guys pitching "out of position" meant that they weren't playoff caliber from that standpoint. Mostly the Twins have just lacked that Playoff Ace and now it feels like they have two of them and it's an exciting feeling
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IcePhoenix posted:Yeah, I should have worded it better. When I said "Playoff caliber starting pitching" I was referring to the staff as a whole, so guys pitching "out of position" meant that they weren't playoff caliber from that standpoint. Mostly the Twins have just lacked that Playoff Ace and now it feels like they have two of them and it's an exciting feeling Gotcha, and yea, I'm hyped too. I also think the bullpen is going to be a legitimate strength. Stewart can jump past Jax and Pagan (pushing them down to better fits), while Varland and Paddack (+Maeda?) give them dudes that can bridge to the late game. It's kinda wild how it's coming together at the end.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Vlad is good again so the Jays rock
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I just want to say that the weekend’s results were pleasing to me and that I hope the Rangers win all their remaining games and the Astros lose all of theirs and also cease to exist.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I just want to say that the weekend’s results were pleasing to me and that I hope the Rangers win all their remaining games and the Astros lose all of theirs and also cease to exist. 
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I just want to say that the weekend’s results were pleasing to me and that I hope the Rangers win all their remaining games and the Astros lose all of theirs and also cease to exist. At this point, I agree
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Pretty sure I'm GOMSing it up to ight because it's baseball that's being played that affects the baseball I'd watch but isn't being played. I mean, if I remember by that point.
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wow The Cubs, so exciting to have this high stakes baseball and I am not at all feeling sick when I look at the remaining schedule
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maffew buildings posted:wow The Cubs, so exciting to have this high stakes baseball and I am not at all feeling sick when I look at the remaining schedule To be honest, the Cubs just missing out on the playoffs won’t be the worst thing to happen to a Chicago sports team this month.
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Update on the Guaranteed Rate shooting, nothing conclusive but anonymous police sources say the stray bullet from outside theory isn't plausible and claim the nature of the wound points to an accidental discharge of a weapon the victim was carrying. Fat rolls theory is still alive
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Fat rolls theory is still alive Congealed carry
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I’m shocked both schwarber and castellanos ended up being good. Usually FAs are terrible and bad
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euphronius posted:I’m shocked both schwarber and castellanos ended up being good. Schwarber has truly reached his final form. 45 HR's but somehow barely cracking an .800 OPS, .197 BA but paired with a .345 OBP, 100 RBI's but also a league leading 210 K's, 0.6 bWAR because he's an absolute lummox who makes Castellanos look like a GG'er. I miss him, please send him back.
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Shut up about defense for the love of god
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It’s half the game bub
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euphronius posted:Shut up about defense for the love of god Dave Dombrowski sock account spotted
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Thank you Yankees for winning a baseball game. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go furiously scrub the hands that just typed this post.
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Sydin posted:Thank you Yankees for winning a baseball game. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go furiously scrub the hands that just typed this post. Out! Out Damned spot!
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GalacticAcid posted:It’s half the game bub Phillies were two wins away with a team of DHs Defense is overrated euphronius posted:I’m shocked both schwarber and castellanos ended up being good. Phillies win the WS if this year Castellanos showed up last year 
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GalacticAcid posted:It’s half the game bub The game is at least split into thirds I’d say it’s 70% pitching, 25% hitting, 4% defense, 1% base running
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It's way bigger than 4%, ask Nelson Cruz in 2011
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Defense is overrated exhibit A: Mookie Betts
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Phillies were two wins away with a team of DHs Phillies win the WS if the Astros don't make two ridiculous defensive plays late in the game in game 5
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Sydin posted:Thank you Yankees for winning a baseball game. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go furiously scrub the hands that just typed this post. The amount of bows the Yankees are going to take for finishing over 500 this season is going to be great.
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euphronius posted:The game is at least split into thirds At least 30% of that pitching is the defense behind them
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euphronius posted:4% defense asinine
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euphronius posted:The game is at least split into thirds Billy Beane ca 2003 account spotted
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euphronius posted:The game is at least split into thirds Someone tell the Jays front office before they mistakenly trade a top 5 prospect!!!
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I mean like all sports baseball is inherently 50% offense and 50% defense. Offense is probably like 90% hitting 10% baserunning. Defense has gotten to be more and more about pitching and less and less about fielding as the strikeout rate has soared, it's probably eh around 35% pitching 15% fielding at this point.
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Look where your GOMSing has gotten you all
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Not all sports are 50 /50 Nba basketball is probably 90/10 Nfl football is down to who has the better qb most of the time. So that’s like 99/1 I haven’t seen hockey in 25 years idk
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