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I find it endlessly hilarious that in the past week Canada has been in the international news not only for “being a safe haven for terrorists” but also sheltering and applauding a nazi war criminal.
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Sep 26, 2023 17:32
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There should be a mechanism by which politicians could be forcibly resigned for simply being too loving stupid to not vet a literal Nazi
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Sep 26, 2023 17:43
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At least Doug Ford forces his cronies to resign.
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Sep 26, 2023 17:44
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TheKingofSprings posted:There should be a mechanism by which politicians could be forcibly resigned for simply being too loving stupid to not vet a literal Nazi I thought voting was stupid, though? To be slightly less glib, though, yes, a recall mechanism would be handy. Not sure we'd see the desired result if we did it in this case, though. Did you know SS guy's son founded the North Bay Hospital foundation, and still sits on the board?
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Sep 26, 2023 17:48
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It's been a hell of a September  And we have a few days left!
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Sep 26, 2023 17:49
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This has been a whole month of Canadian politicians smashing their particular genitals with ballpeen hammers. Repeatedly. I hate it
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Sep 26, 2023 18:40
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 TheCenturion posted:To be slightly less glib, though, yes, a recall mechanism would be handy. It exists for MLAs in BC.
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Sep 26, 2023 18:47
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infernal machines posted:"Parental rights" Children are property dontchaknow
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Sep 26, 2023 19:01
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/speaker-anthony-rota-resignation-1.6978422 And down he goes.
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Sep 26, 2023 19:14
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So he resigned as speaker but not MP and still didn't explain what the gently caress he was thinking/doing?
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Sep 26, 2023 19:24
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If I’ve learned anything from being on the internet since social media it’s that the people in power are all just incredible imbeciles who tripped dick first into their position.
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Sep 26, 2023 19:28
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McGavin posted:I regret to inform you that Russia in WWII was allied with the Nazis.
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Sep 26, 2023 19:47
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eXXon posted:So he resigned as speaker but not MP and still didn't explain what the gently caress he was thinking/doing? ZShakespeare posted:If I’ve learned anything from being on the internet since social media it’s that the people in power are all just incredible imbeciles who tripped dick first into their position. Yeah, based on my limited experience, he was probably approached by a cultural organization, or someone in his riding office belongs to one, told that they have someone who would be great to introduce to Zelensky because this guy also bravely fought the Russians, fought against communism, and fought to establish a homeland for his people, etc. Rota, like many other people, being ignorant of history says "sure, sounds great" and doesn't ask who this guy was fighting with if he was fighting against the Russians in 1941-1945. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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Sep 26, 2023 19:49
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kaom posted:
It does, but I think the only time it came close to working was persuading an MLA who'd been sock-puppetting in the local newspaper (wtf is a "newspaper"?) to resign. "Some local rag" posted:
I don't think Reitsma won on his last attempt at the mayorship. I tend to ignore Parksville unless I'm driving through while the MAGA hatters are out protesting in favour of pipelines or viruses.
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Sep 26, 2023 21:25
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vyelkin posted:You should read this academic article on this subject, which is freely available: https://www.academia.edu/1908894/_T..._3_2012_329_368 Thanks for posting that. It led down some depressing rat holes, but such is history I guess.
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Sep 26, 2023 21:29
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Hexigrammus posted:Thanks for posting that. It led down some depressing rat holes, but such is history I guess. One thing Ive learned since posting here is that the history we are taught is watered down to be as inoffensive as possible. Our actual history is awful and terrifying, but teaching that would make selling patriotism drat near impossible. Much harder to rally the populace behind you with a simple wave of a flag when they know what they flag actually stands for. e: I know this comes off as kind of gloomy and doomy, but Im still thankful to live where we do. I just think omitting or sanding over our historical warts might end up causing more damage in the future as people would become much more likely to repeat mistakes we have already made. Furnaceface fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Sep 26, 2023 |
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Sep 26, 2023 22:52
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Mr. Apollo posted:Yeah, based on my limited experience, he was probably approached by a cultural organization, or someone in his riding office belongs to one, told that they have someone who would be great to introduce to Zelensky because this guy also bravely fought the Russians, fought against communism, and fought to establish a homeland for his people, etc. Rota, like many other people, being ignorant of history says "sure, sounds great" and doesn't ask who this guy was fighting with if he was fighting against the Russians in 1941-1945. It was the guys son who asked for him to be invited, lol. Maybe he hates his father and this is revenge for a childhood of abuse.
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Sep 26, 2023 22:59
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Giggs posted:Is this sarcastic? I honestly can't tell. It is not. Hitler and Stalin were allies right up until Hitler backstabbed Stalin and opened the eastern front. And no shade on you, but see how easy it is for modern younguns, so to speak, to not know what some consider “basic, essential history?” poo poo, remember the part where Great Britain was handing other countries to Hitler in the name of appeasement? “We shall have peace in our time.”
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Sep 26, 2023 23:34
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TheCenturion posted:It is not. Hitler and Stalin were allies right up until Hitler backstabbed Stalin and opened the eastern front. Indeed, with the Molotov-Rippentrop Pact the Soviets and the Germans collaborated extensively, most infamously perhaps the Soviets outsourced the job of fabricating/forging evidence of treason of Mikhail Tukhachevsky in addition of course to things like trading valuable materials needed to feeding the German war effort and carving out spheres of influence, and even proving the Germans a submarine base and access through the North Sea Route. The pact and subsequent collaboration was enthusiastic and extended beyond just Poland, a non-aggression pact and spheres.
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Sep 26, 2023 23:55
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Hamelekim posted:It was the guys son who asked for him to be invited, lol. Maybe he hates his father and this is revenge for a childhood of abuse.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:28
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TheCenturion posted:It is not. Hitler and Stalin were allies right up until Hitler backstabbed Stalin and opened the eastern front. Literally every single European power was an ally with Hitler via this logic. A non-aggression pact that was only pursued after France and Britain refused one with the USSR does not an ally make
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Sep 27, 2023 00:29
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Mr. Apollo posted:Either that or he heard some “really cool war stories” from that guy’s family about fighting the Russians. "Mr. Hunka's son contacted Mr. Rota's constituency office and asked if it would be possible for Mr. Hunka to attend the address in the House of Commons by Mr. Zelensky. This request was accepted by the Speaker's Office," Crosson said. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6978266
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Sep 27, 2023 00:33
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A big flaming stink posted:Literally every single European power was an ally with Hitler via this logic. Yeah, but dividing up and invading Eastern Europe kinda does though.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:35
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Britain and France literally gave Hitler permission to do it to Czechoslovakia. Didn't even bother to invite the Czechoslovaks lol e: let's not forget that the Polish government was absolutely not above bandwagoning into grabbing their own little bit PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Sep 27, 2023 |
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Sep 27, 2023 00:37
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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"Those countries weren't at war until they were. Everyone knows this." okay thanks
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Sep 27, 2023 00:41
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The Molotov/Von Ribentrop pact is a bit more complicated than saying they were allies. Hitler had a huge hate on for the USSR and the feeling was mutual. Hitler was always going to betray the USSR and the USSR pretty much knew this was going to happen anyway and used the pact as a way of arming themselves until the moment arrived. Also I am a little rusty with my history but I am pretty sure that the USSR only went to Hitler after England and France said they wouldn't sign any pacts with them and also USSR figured signing a pact with Hitler would be the best way to get Poland.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:46
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McGavin posted:Yeah, but dividing up and invading Eastern Europe kinda does though. 
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Sep 27, 2023 00:50
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Madkal posted:The Molotov/Von Ribentrop pact is a bit more complicated than saying they were allies. Hitler had a huge hate on for the USSR and the feeling was mutual. Hitler was always going to betray the USSR and the USSR pretty much knew this was going to happen anyway and used the pact as a way of arming themselves until the moment arrived. Also I am a little rusty with my history but I am pretty sure that the USSR only went to Hitler after England and France said they wouldn't sign any pacts with them and also USSR figured signing a pact with Hitler would be the best way to get Poland. This is a bit revisionist; for one, its quite well known that Stalin absolutely didn't think Hitler was going to attack, and dismissed all intelligence indicating the German build up and obvious intent to invade. This also puts aside all the things the Soviets did to help Germany and other areas in which they collaborated with which I mentioned in my post that go well past the non-aggression pact as indicated by A big flaming stink for the reasons I explained.
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Sep 27, 2023 00:51
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PittTheElder posted:Britain and France literally gave Hitler permission to do it to Czechoslovakia. Didn't even bother to invite the Czechoslovaks lol Interwar Poland, especially in the years right before the war started, was also rabidly antisemitic
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Sep 27, 2023 00:53
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Madkal posted:The Molotov/Von Ribentrop pact is a bit more complicated than saying they were allies. Hitler had a huge hate on for the USSR and the feeling was mutual. Hitler was always going to betray the USSR and the USSR pretty much knew this was going to happen anyway and used the pact as a way of arming themselves until the moment arrived. Also I am a little rusty with my history but I am pretty sure that the USSR only went to Hitler after England and France said they wouldn't sign any pacts with them and also USSR figured signing a pact with Hitler would be the best way to get Poland. It wasn't a 'huge hate'. The war against communism and the genocide in eastern Europe was fundamental to Nazi ideology. It wasn't just like some personal disagreement it was literally the basis of the Nazism. It wasn't a loving alliance holy poo poo how does anybody still think that way
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Sep 27, 2023 01:01
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Hamelekim posted:"Mr. Hunka's son contacted Mr. Rota's constituency office and asked if it would be possible for Mr. Hunka to attend the address in the House of Commons by Mr. Zelensky. This request was accepted by the Speaker's Office," Crosson said.
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Sep 27, 2023 01:06
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i wonder if there will be enough blowback to finally force canada to get rid of its monuments to ss divisions
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Sep 27, 2023 01:08
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Brandon Proust posted:i wonder if there will be enough blowback to finally force canada to get rid of its monuments to ss divisions Nah the Memorial to the Victims of Communism is still underway
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Sep 27, 2023 01:09
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Brandon Proust posted:i wonder if there will be enough blowback to finally force canada to get rid of its monuments to ss divisions Inshallah
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Sep 27, 2023 01:10
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Sep 27, 2023 01:26
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DaysBefore posted:Interwar Poland, especially in the years right before the war started, was also rabidly antisemitic Indeed, and even today there are huge contingents of people working to suppress that (and Polish participation in the Holocaust) in online sources like wikipedia, to the point where there's honest to god academic papers being written on it as I recall
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Sep 27, 2023 01:49
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DaysBefore posted:Interwar Poland, especially in the years right before the war started, was also rabidly antisemitic Interwar Europe was rabidly antisemitic. Also pre WW1 Europe. Post WW2 they felt a bit guilty about it for a while, but they're getting back to old habits already.
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Sep 27, 2023 02:19
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Madkal posted:The Molotov/Von Ribentrop pact is a bit more complicated than saying they were allies. Hitler had a huge hate on for the USSR and the feeling was mutual. Hitler was always going to betray the USSR and the USSR pretty much knew this was going to happen anyway and used the pact as a way of arming themselves until the moment arrived. Also I am a little rusty with my history but I am pretty sure that the USSR only went to Hitler after England and France said they wouldn't sign any pacts with them and also USSR figured signing a pact with Hitler would be the best way to get Poland. The USSR spent most of the 30s trying to pursue collective security agreements with Britain and France against Nazi Germany but after Munich Stalin became convinced that Britain and France were more interested in cozying up to Hitler so they could sic him on the USSR than in allying to contain Germany, so he also started secretly pursuing a non-aggression pact with Germany in mid-1939. Hitler was amenable because that agreement would mean securing his eastern flank when initially going to war in the west, Stalin saw it as a way to create a defensive buffer zone on the USSR's borders and buy time to prepare for war, and the rest is history. Stalin continued to see war with the capitalist world as inevitable (making little distinction between Nazi Germany and the other capitalist powers) but seriously underestimated Hitler's intentions because he thought Germany would never invade the USSR without defeating Britain first and he thought it would take Germany ten years to defeat Britain, and then bought into those incorrect predictions so strongly that he discounted the many warnings he got about Hitler's real intentions.
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Sep 27, 2023 02:25
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Improbable Lobster posted:Children are property dontchaknow I literally saw an anti-lgbtq fascist at the Vancouver rally with a sign he made for his kids which said “I belong to my parents”
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Sep 27, 2023 03:23
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TheCenturion posted:It is not. Hitler and Stalin were allies right up until Hitler backstabbed Stalin and opened the eastern front. I should have said "you're making GBS threads me, right?" I guess. PittTheElder posted:Indeed, and even today there are huge contingents of people working to suppress that (and Polish participation in the Holocaust) in online sources like wikipedia, to the point where there's honest to god academic papers being written on it as I recall
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Sep 27, 2023 04:41
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