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MuddyFunster posted:Yeah, as much as I enjoyed Picard S3 (slowly coming round to the fact that it's basically just a big bundle of wrongheaded TOS movie/TNG nostalgia wank and doesn't do TNG justice at all), what little I saw of Picard S1, I was like "NO, absolutely not." I have a few Trekkie mates and they really cajoled me hard into watching S3 until I relented. Hey, it got me interested in watching the show proper, so there's that.
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MuddyFunster posted:I am going to do DS9 at some point, but not right after TNG's done. I just don't feel I'd be able to manage another 7 seasons without burning out. By the time you've finished TNG, you'll have enough background to really appreciate Lower Decks. Just be aware that it does have some plots that are explicit continuations from the other shows -- like a major Voyager character shows up as a guest star, and later on there's an entire episode that's all about Deep Space Nine. Not a huge problem, but there will be some references and whatnot that you won't get.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Season 2 of Picard was somehow a lot worse than 1 It probably is the single worst piece of all Star Trek media ever produced, and there's a lot of competition for that title.
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The first episode of Season 4 of Lower Decks is mostly Voyager references
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It's a run of Voyager's greatest hits, really.
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nine-gear crow posted:It probably is the single worst piece of all Star Trek media ever produced, and there's a lot of competition for that title. Picard S3 S2 at least has the merit of being a weird trainwreck
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No Dignity posted:Never skip a DS9 episode because it's almost guaranteed to at least have a good b-plot or classic character scene Except Meridian
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I haven't watched Picard S3 but it sounds like a boomer band county fair reunion tour which is dull but not quite the trainwreck as the previous two seasons, right
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Kibayasu posted:Except Meridian Quark trying to get the Kira porn is funny
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Feldegast42 posted:I haven't watched Picard S3 but it sounds like a boomer band county fair reunion tour which is dull but not quite the trainwreck as the previous two seasons, right The overall season story is dumb and everything with Picard’s secret son is stupid
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Picard season 2 was so bad it broke me from buying every "Star Trek" season on physical media. It was so loving bad. I liked a lot of it, in the moment, but it went nowhere, did nothing, and wasted everyone's time. I doubt I'll buy anymore Star Trek outside of "Prodigy" since Paramount won't stream it anywhere.
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The modern thread is talking about DS9 and this thread is bitching about Picard....which is all perfectly normal of course Long live the Empire!
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To be honest, I have both threads bookmarked and didn't really notice when one got designated classic and the other modern.
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Picard seasons 1 and 3 both started out good but ended badly. S2 is insanely bad throughout.
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Q and Picard scenes are the only good stuff in S2 even though most of the dialogue doesn't matter its just fun to watch sterwart and delancie act around useless fluff. That and the Jurati/Borg stuff is really engaging right at the beginning but quickly falls into eating car batteries and borged special ops. There's soooo much wrong with S2 clearly no one gave a poo poo, mostly with how the entire original cast gets killed or just wanders off forever. If you want good trek you shouldnt watch it, but its excellent at enraging longtime fans, if at least as an example of bottom tier trek. Disco is slightly better, but its a show about Star Trek written by people who've never seen a single episode.
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FuturePastNow posted:Picard seasons 1 and 3 both started out good but ended badly. S2 is insanely bad throughout. Eh, Season 2 also starts out good, and then shits the bed immediately after the end of episode 2 when they go back to the past. All three seasons have a definitive point of no return for their quality though, that much is consistent across them if literally nothing else is.
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DS9 rewatch s03e14, Heart of Stone: Odo and Kira get stuck in a cave where Kira becomes trapped in a growing crystal. Nog starts hounding Sisko to be allowed to join Starfleet. I think this is the episode where I turn around on Nog. Before, he's kind of tedious. Just one episode earlier, he's being a gross Ferengi on his double date with Jake, and I always find his fake laughing hard to watch - even though it's appropriate that a Ferengi would put on an obviously fake laugh for like, business relations. But here the writers give both him and Rom a big swerve. Rom is established at being a very talented engineer, and Nog has decided he won't be a conventional Ferengi. The scene where Sisko pushes him to come clean on his reason for wanting to join Starfleet is good. I really like Sisko's gradual acceptance of Ferengi, it's done very well. Looking forward to seeing more of Nog now. davidspackage fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Sep 27, 2023 |
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No Dignity posted:Ensigns of Command is such a good Data episode. Also like one of the only times you get the impression that Data can be baited into anger, even if he doesn't identify as such I think this is like when he commands the Sutherland, he's become a good enough student of human nature to invoke the affectation of aggression when the situation calls for it. Is he faking it til he makes it? Quite possibly. But I would certainly argue that it's coming from the top down, unlike organic emotional development.
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I'm going to submit that the Battle of Khitomer sequence in TUC has the highest concentration of badass moments in any Trek property. "Fly her apart then" Kirk clenching his hand "FIRE" "Target that explosion and fire" Chang's whole deal, I love how he orders attacks with the casual overhand point, and the way he leaps out of his seat into the frame when he realizes the torpedo is tracking him "I'd pay real money if he'd shut up"
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No Dignity posted:Ensigns of Command is such a good Data episode. Also like one of the only times you get the impression that Data can be baited into anger, even if he doesn't identify as such I really like the solution of demonstrating a fraction of the level of violence the colonists will face and that they are wholly incapable of resisting. Sometimes people need a reality check.
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zoux posted:I'm going to submit that the Battle of Khitomer sequence in TUC has the highest concentration of badass moments in any Trek property. Captain Sulu has such badass lines in that whole sequence.
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zoux posted:I'm going to submit that the Battle of Khitomer sequence in TUC has the highest concentration of badass moments in any Trek property. Also Chang going "Cry HA-VOC, and let slip the dogs of war!" while spinning around in his chair like a giddy six year old.
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FISHMANPET posted:Captain Sulu has such badass lines in that whole sequence. Really makes the lack of a Capt. Sulu series hurt all the more
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davidspackage posted:To be honest, I have both threads bookmarked and didn't really notice when one got designated classic and the other modern. The time for reunification is at hand
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zoux posted:I'm going to submit that the Battle of Khitomer sequence in TUC has the highest concentration of badass moments in any Trek property. Everything except "fly her apart then" -- found because I remembered Sulu's "target" quote as being a little clumsier; glad I was wrong: https://youtu.be/fg58hVEY5Og?si=qqWU2z9eO7i5ZL1V A tight bit of filmmaking, with the tension heightening as the sniper rifle's being assembled in cutaways. Vaguely related: I've always liked TUC more than TWOK (or any of the others), but for my money the best shot in any Trek movie comes from TWOK. Khan's "The override...Where's the damned override?" as the camera swings over the myriad, unlabeled buttons of the helm station in a desperate swoop back and forth. Both funny and tense, conveying exactly his frustration and panic. It's a nothing shot, only on screen for about 2 seconds, but it stuck with me since the first time I saw it back in the theatre. (Probably because I wondered how they kept all those identical buttons straight when flying the ship.) Eta: I read somewhere that Shatner wanted Plummer in this movie in part because he got his big break as Plummer's understudy in Henry V. Plummer took ill, Shatner took the character in a completely different direction than Plummer had, and got raves for it, which jumpstarted his career. Don't know if it's true. Admiralty Flag fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Sep 27, 2023 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Also Chang going "Cry HA-VOC, and let slip the dogs of war!" while spinning around in his chair like a giddy six year old. For being very reluctant to accept the role (written especially for him, btw) it's amazing how much fun Christopher Plummer is clearly having playing General Chang.
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Wrath of Khan has Undiscovered Country beat for epic space fights, but yeah...the final Khitomer battle is pretty badass. My favorite part is when one of Chang's torpedoes blew straight through the saucer section of the Enterprise-A. Not even Khan had managed to do that. Chris Plummer was clearly having the time of his life in those scenes, quoting Shakespeare and twirling his villain's mustache. He was well suited for that role.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:For being very reluctant to accept the role (written especially for him, btw) it's amazing how much fun Christopher Plummer is clearly having playing General Chang. "Have we not heard the chimes at midnight?" He's just a delight, every line is a banger.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:For being very reluctant to accept the role (written especially for him, btw) it's amazing how much fun Christopher Plummer is clearly having playing General Chang. He's phenomenal in the trial scene. "Don't wait for the translation, answer me now!" Plummer always brought his A game, even in poo poo like Starcrash. Jason Isaacs is another actor like that, whatever the role, he's bringing his whole self. Due to the vagaries of tv scheduling and VCR tapings from family and friends, I probably saw TUC three or four times as many as any of the other TOS movies. TWOK scared me too much when I was a kid because of the brain worm thing so TUC was my ST movie growing up.
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It's hard to argue with how incredibly tight the writing is in WoK, weaving all its themes together perfectly along with some pretty great action. And it's also hard to top a perfectly executed death scene which also doesn't come out of nowhere just for shock value, despite how shocking it is. But I do have more personal fondness for TUC. Probably part of that is it's just nicer to look at. Not that WoK is poorly made, just older and lower budget.
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zoux posted:He's phenomenal in the trial scene. "Don't wait for the translation, answer me now!" Probably the most badass reference to Adlai Stevenson in the history of cinema.
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disaster pastor posted:Probably the most badass reference to Adlai Stevenson in the history of cinema. Ha I had no idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGm0Jz1ZweE Different vibe though, for sure
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Finished up season 3 of enterprise and it was a definite improvement but a definite improvement on utter shite is still often shite it kept quite heavy on the 9/11 analogies but the arc helped the storylines a little- nowhere near the kind of pace and continuity that ds9 picks up, and still a few really dull episodes but it was something at least. Think there was a bit of a jump in lighting and camera work as well- not quite as pronounced as season 3 of tng but still noticeable honourable mentions for this season are "similitude" and "stratagem", neither are amazing but the better episodes, the few episode run at the end was alright too, some fair CGI for the age oh and to blalock for the acting showing tpol going crazy emotional on space rocks gradually and subtly at first then moreso- good poo poo.
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Jolene Blalock was the secret MVP of Enterprise. The only one who come close to her level is Connor Trinnear (which is probably why they end up having the most interesting storylines).
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disaster pastor posted:Probably the most badass reference to Adlai Stevenson in the history of cinema. Who brought FF6 into this????
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I was thinking of Plummer during Chain of Command, how he and David Warner both manage to project through a faceful of rubber like it isn't even there, but both in very different ways. One obviously very forcefully and the other very subtly. But I don't like to pick favourites out of the TOS movies or say one is better than the other, mind, they're all big bundle of fun and they're all very distinct from one another. Yes, even V is great to me. I absolutely could not choose between WoK and TUC. TUC has a connection to the first of tonight's episodes, Ship in a Bottle. The link is obviously this; Sherlock Holmes. Data's a rubbish Sherlock, he's got nothing on Spock. It's perfectly in character that he's a crap Sherlock though, obviously highly intelligent, but putting on such an absurdly affected performance. It's pretty clever when you think about it. Sure, sure, real world, it's just another excuse for Spiner to do a silly voice. Anyway, holo-Moriarty's back and justifiably pissed off. Nice seeing Barclay as just a part of the story and crew for once, rather than the entire focus. Yeah! Neat! Oh and all the effects shots of the planet getting et, real purdy. Aquiel, just the purest of pure runny poo poo. Geordie's being a weird creep about a dead woman with nostrils on her forehead in a first act that would be better described as "Video Game Data Log: The Teleplay". That part is enlivened somewhat by the hilarious moment where, in order to remove the remains of... Someone, possibly nostril-head lady, they have to carve out a bit of the floor. Then they twice frame a shot through that hole in the floor and it's the funniest poo poo. Middle act; Geordie still being a weird creep, but now dead nostril-head lady is alive nostril-head lady and he's just completely and unreasonably all for her, even though she's kind of an annoying unlikable rear end in a top hat who might possibly have dun a murrrrrdurrrr. Final act, just the most gutless cop-out go-gently caress-yourself ending. Televisual diarrhoea.
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The dog did it!
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MuddyFunster posted:I absolutely could not choose between WoK and TUC. I absolutely could. It's Wrath of Khan. Yes, ST6 is excellent, and comes close in a lot of respects, but overall it's Khaaaaaaaan that wins every time.
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Fun trivia about Aquiel - 'The dog did it!' was a last minute change to the script, the original plan was that Aquiel would have been the killer. But for some deranged reason the writers got it into their heads that she'd be a good recurring romance for Geordi. Then after it aired they realized they had no chemistry and the actress just didn't work, and so she was never heard from again.
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