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I'd doubt a bigger restaurant would order from anything but a company like Sysco. I'm more familiar with the farm side of things but only small high end places seemed to come by for produce and talk about anything they want for next season. Best customers ever. Had one of the best meals of my life at one, the chef came out to chat and wouldn't let us pay for anything but drinks. Support your local restaurants.
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Main Paineframe posted:Executive action, mainly. He appointed a former union lawyer to be the NLRB's General Council, and under her guidance the NLRB has been aggressively investigating labor complaints and changing their rules to block various union-busting tactics. Thanks for this. For some reason, I thought that this rule was part of one of the pieces of legislation from 2021.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Regarding Target, I spot checked three of the closing stores and all had another Target within five miles, and one had two within three miles. It seems probable to me that they just wanted to close some stores for profitability reasons and decided to use it to make a point. Which, you'll recall, is precisely what Walgreens did a couple of years back and eventually had to admit. zoux posted:Also because naming the head of the UAW Sinn Fein is a little on the nose. Christ, yes. Every time I've heard this on the radio/etc. in the past few weeks I've had to remember not to do a double-take.
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Two scumbag state Ds voted to lock Ohio into illegally gerrymandered, R heavy maps Vote Blue to fix things though.
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Harold Fjord posted:Two scumbag state Ds voted to lock Ohio into illegally gerrymandered, R heavy maps ? The Ohio maps thing was a decision by the Ohio Supreme Court. What vote are you referring to? Edit: Here's the only article I can find about the maps from the last month. It says that after the Republicans got supermajorities in both Houses and a majority on the Ohio Supreme Court, the ACLU and voting rights groups decided that forcing another redraw could actually end up even worse, so they dropped it. It is an extremely direct and literal example of voting changing the results. quote:COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Congressional district maps previously deemed unconstitutional by the Ohio Supreme Court will be used in 2024 after the high court dismissed legal challenges against the Republican-drawn districts on Thursday. https://apnews.com/article/redistricting-ohio-maps-republican-election-gerrymandering-69f4f1b6852ba5ea1c7df80286cb38b1 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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I cut last night because it was now two nights ago. Seems there always gonna be some random power seeking assholes willing to gently caress everything up for the rest of us by teaming up with the explict bad guys. I found a good yahoo article earlier but now I can't find it with my phone. Lots of local activists are being furious on Twitter and it took a while to sort out why. Usually complacent voters are feeling effective after winning the August special election so hopefully all these idiots are run out on rails. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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I feel like you're saying things with citing any sources, and the statements you're making are the opposite of what could be described as "correct" or "factually accurate" when contrasted with the source another poster has provided.
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You mean the thing from two weeks ago doesn't talk about what happened two nights ago? Obviously that means I'm lyin.
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Stop reading brain-poison social media.quote:Ohio redistricting maps approved unanimously by commission Kaal fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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Reminder that the vast majority of yahoo news articles are reprints from other sources. They identify the mediated source just under the title, but iirc it's not very visible on phones.
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What that article leaves out is how the new maps the Dem members signed on to remain heavily gerrymandered. But my article got paywalled by the time I found it, can't find the free yahoo reprint The local activists on social media are right and I'm not sure why you are poo poo talking them. The state government is refusing to make not-gerrymandered maps and the Dems on the commission arent even presenting token opposition. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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Harold Fjord posted:I cut last night because it was now two nights ago. If you don't know what people are bitching on Twitter about, maybe take some time to find out first so we can have an actual discussion, instead of immediately posting a one-liner here to express whatever Twitter made you feel? I assume you're talking about this, that the two Democrats on the Ohio redistricting commission voted for the current set of maps, which still favor Republicans but are significantly better than the maps initially proposed. If so, then what angry people on Twitter didn't tell you is that the Republicans hold a supermajority of seats on that redistricting commission, rendering the Dem votes completely irrelevant anyway. Judging from the rhetoric of the Dems in question (who aren't making it a secret that they're unhappy with these maps), it seems that they judged that there was no chance in hell they were going to get completely fair maps, so they offered up their votes as a bargaining chip, putting a "bipartisan" veneer on the maps in exchange for slightly more concessions than the GOP would have offered otherwise.
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The maps are illegal, a court ruled this. So the bipartisan veneer is poo poo from a butt. It's trash and they are trash for signing on But it's cool how a bunch of people think they are experts more so than local activists that's kind of funny
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Harold Fjord posted:What that article leaves out is how the new maps the Dem members signed on to remain heavily gerrymandered. The AP article says that they ended up with less gerrymandered, but still very gerrymandered, maps because of the votes. The ACLU and voting rights groups were concerned that the previous swing vote who said the original maps were unconstitutional was replaced on the Supreme Court by a conservative Republican and would approve the original worse maps otherwise. One of the Democrats on the commission was Senate Minority Leader Nickie Antonio, who had a safe seat in every version of the map. Her seat was actually even safer in the original Republican map. So she definitely didn't vote for a more gerrymandered map to protect her own seat. They did approve a very Republican-friendly gerrymandered map, but it was less Republican-friendly than the original map. quote:COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Ohio’s political map-making commission unanimously approved new Statehouse maps Tuesday night, moving a step closer to resolving a long-running redistricting battle. https://apnews.com/article/redistricting-ohio-maps-dc1840beea861ee5dcd5391d2156802d
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Moved closer to resolving the redistricting battle because the Democrats just gave up. Glad we are all on the same page now. Sorry my phone completely melted down when I was trying to find and share the article I saw from my work computer, but we sorted it. Go team
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Probably the most disappointing thing about the Internet is that we created a highly advanced information superhighway and then used it to produce the same sort of gossipy tabloids we’d always loved to hate.
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"Tabloid"? Where ? All evidence points to what I said being correct. Maybe you should save your concerns for the quarterly feedback
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Doh, edited out my original reply instead of quoting it.
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Harold Fjord posted:Moved closer to resolving the redistricting battle because the Democrats just gave up. Glad we are all on the same page now. Sorry my phone completely melted down when I was trying to find and share the article I saw from my work computer, but we sorted it. Go team I'm genuinely curious: assuming Leon's framing is correct would you be happier with Democrats that held the line even if the final resulting map was even worse? Harold Fjord posted:"Tabloid"? Where ? All evidence points to what I said being correct. Maybe you should save your concerns for the quarterly feedback You still haven't posted any evidence.
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Harold Fjord posted:The maps are illegal, a court ruled this. So the bipartisan veneer is poo poo from a butt. It's trash and they are trash for signing on Are these the same maps that a court ruled illegal? I need to do more digging and Googling to find out for sure, because you haven't given any sources or info other than vague references to "local activists" being mad on Twitter, but I'm pretty sure that these are new maps.
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The maps are functionally equivalent, massively GOP tilted.It's funny the kinds of things that require extensive sourcing versus the kinds of things that don't
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
Objectively better how and for who?
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It’s the great hyperlink conspiracy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Harold Fjord posted:"Tabloid"? Where ? All evidence points to what I said being correct. Maybe you should save your concerns for the quarterly feedback You’ve presented basically no evidence that the people in place could’ve done any better . Your fatalistic Harold Fjord posted:
Is in fact right because if the Republicans weren’t in charge of the state the maps wouldn’t look like that (and the reflexive of that may be true too.) I’m unsure as to what, other than voting blue, you think anyone could do in this situation.
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I don't think there's anything anyone can do except keep fighting and the Dems decided not to do that. We can't vote blue our way out of this because the Dems just agreed with maps that will never let the state turn blue this decade. Also evidence anyone could have done better is an impossible to meet counterfactual standard
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Harold Fjord posted:"Tabloid"? Where ? All evidence points to what I said being correct. Maybe you should save your concerns for the quarterly feedback What evidence, so far I've only seem random claims that seem to be counter to actual evidence posted by other people, perhaps you could share the sources that lead you to these conclusions?
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Harold Fjord posted:"Tabloid"? Where ? All evidence points to what I said being correct. Maybe you should save your concerns for the quarterly feedback I think what he is taking issue with is: You originally said that they supported the illegally gerrymandered maps, but they did not. You originally said they did it to give themselves safer seats, but they did not. You originally said that a court had already ruled on these new maps, but it had not. You originally said it happened last night, but it was two weeks ago. You said that the maps only passed because the Dems colluded with the Republicans, but the Republicans have 5 seats out of 7 on the commission and don't need their votes to pass. You said that the final map was the one the court already threw out, but it was a different (slightly better) map. You are correct that it is a bad map that they signed on to, but were not correct about most of the other details. Harold Fjord posted:Objectively better how and for who? It was less extremely gerrymandered to favor Republicans. If you are using any metric other than "maximize Republican power in Ohio," then the new maps are objectively better (but, still very gerrymandered).
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The gerrymander is illegal because it is extremely unrepresentative and although these maps are not exactly the same they are still extremely unrepresentative to the point that they would be continued to be considered illegal under that standard and everything else is just you being unable to read. It happened two nights ago now, two weeks is the approximate age of the article you posted that someone used to suggest I was lying about an event that happened after the events of your article because that article did not include future events)
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Harold Fjord posted:I don't think there's anything anyone can do except keep fighting and the Dems decided not to do that. This was the final deadline before they had to lock the maps in for the next election or take it up to the new majority Republican Supreme Court. They had delayed for two years, but it was either the original maps or the slightly better ones. I'm kind of surprised the GOP even bothered to accept it because they could have just run the timer out and gotten the original maps. Harold Fjord posted:The maps are functionally equivalent, massively GOP tilted.It's funny the kinds of things that require extensive sourcing versus the kinds of things that don't One has about 12% fewer safe GOP districts and 12% more competitive districts. It's not an enormous difference, but 12% isn't the exact same and is objectively a smaller number.
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If that objectively smaller number does not cross a threshold that makes a meaningful legislative difference then it doesn't matter. If it crossed one of those thresholds the GOP wouldn't have gone along with it (does anyone need a citation on Republicans being evil here?)
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If I ignore all the parts that were incorrect, you're totally right. 12% and 0% are the same.
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Morrow posted:If I ignore all the parts that were incorrect, you're totally right. 12% and 0% are the same. Yeah that's totally what I said, guy who doesn't know how time works. I like how the standard went from the difference being significant to the difference being objectively existing Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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Harold Fjord posted:If that objectively smaller number does not cross a threshold that makes a meaningful legislative difference then it doesn't matter. If it crossed one of those thresholds the GOP wouldn't have gone along with it (does anyone need a citation on Republicans being evil here?) Both maps are almost certainly going to result in a GOP majority. One of them makes it somewhat difficult for them to get a super majority and the original made it fairly easy. They are both bad maps overall, but one of them is slightly better. A supermajority vs simple majority is an effective difference, even if it is only relevant for a few things. Taking the old map would have been objectively worse for them. They could maybe have risked taking it to the new state Supreme Court, but they only won by one vote last time and that swing vote retired and was replaced by a conservative Republican, so that was very likely to be a bad bet.
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Seems you either are misunderstanding the situation here or just expect the impossible? What at all could those 2 Democrats done to make anything better then get the slight concession they did?
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Well, since Harold isn't helping here, I've dug deeper and found that these are not the maps that were previously ruled unconstitutional. The Ohio Supreme Court previously ruled five different maps unconstitutional, and this new map is attempt number 6. There's also one very loving important factor that has been left out of this conversation: the makeup of the Ohio Supreme Court has changed! All of the Ohio Supreme Court's rulings against the maps were 4-3, and one of the justices that voted against the maps left the court this year (due to an age limit on Ohio judges). And while Ohio Supreme Court judges are normally elected, Ohio doesn't hold special elections for vacant seats, nor does it leave the seat vacant until the next election. Instead, the Governor of Ohio gets to appoint someone to that seat, and that appointed justice holds the seat until the next election year. To recap, the previous Ohio Supreme Court decisions against the gerrymandered maps were all 4-3. Now one of the 4 "no" votes is off the court, and has been replaced by a Republican prosecutor chosen by Republican Governor Mike DeWine. Do you think that handpicked Republican justice is going to vote against the Republican maps? Knowing this, it's not particularly surprising that the Ohio Dems are suddenly a lot less eager to fight these maps to the end and drag them back to the court as many times as it takes. If the newly appointed judge votes differently from his predecessor, then the Ohio GOP could very well get a blank check to gerrymander as much as they want with no restrictions at all. It's no wonder the Dems are cutting their losses and taking what they've managed to get already. Now that they can't count on the court backing them, continuing the fight could be very risky indeed. And to put the cap on all of this, this is entirely caused by not enough people voting blue. DeWine was up for reelection a month before that Supreme Court seat opened up. If he had lost that election, then the new judge would have been appointed by a Democratic governor instead, which would have kept the Court firmly anti-gerrymandering and allowed the Dems to keep fighting the gerrymandered maps. Instead, he won handily, despite the fact that the governor is a statewide election not impacted by gerrymandering. As such, the victorious DeWine was able to install a loyalist to a key spot on the Supreme Court, breaking the core of Dems' ability to resist the gerrymandered maps. Once again, it's an example of exactly why winning elections is important!
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Thanks for posting a nice summary of what Leo and I have been discussing Because winning elections is important I think we should not be very publicly ceding this issue, let the GOP make completely insane maps and use that to try to drive turn out instead of rolling over. Voters are not us. Our conclusions here are not their conclusions on the day-to-day and that's important when we're talking about wanting to win votes to win elections.
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Harold Fjord posted:I think it's worse to give a bad map a bipartisan veneer because voters care about these things even if us very smart online people know better than them I mean this is fair and I think I agree, but had they refused to vote for these maps would we have gotten the (slightly) worse ones instead or just this same one with a 5-2 vote?
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