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Reveilled posted:There's been speculation it was this guy, evicted from his farm last week: Someone get Dan Brown on this. e: A 103 is a Japanese Pacer 
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Guavanaut posted:Someone get Dan Brown on this. Somewhere, an  sheds a single tear 
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Sep 29, 2023 22:42
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He's not ready to come back among us yet, he's hiding in the hollow earth.
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Sep 29, 2023 22:44
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I stole that and shitposted it on twitter. Someone replied with Sycamore Gaptain Tom. lol e: I'm loving the fractures going on within the right. Certain people and stations are now woke traitors, and people like Darren Grimes are being shat upon for not speaking out etc. etc. It's loving beautiful to watch 
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Sep 29, 2023 23:14
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Jakabite posted:I’d say people extremely rarely do want a serious thought from you. Not unless you can phrase it snappily and in a way that gives them ample room to respond without feeling like they’re being preached at, talked down to, attacked or debated. It’s a loving tricky thing to do which is why i think most people would be well advised to take the more subtle approach. I just want to shout you out as I read the last few pages and you have the best posts on this imo. I haven't watched any of Tate but it's my impression he sells a lifestyle and is quite good at marketing it and while it may not be fair or broadly true what springs to mind if I think of someone who self-identifies as a "male feminist" is someone who has neon dyed hair and talks a lot about feminism which as a lifestyle seems comparably a lot less sexy. Ultimately it's most important to have role models demonstrating a different worldview that leads to deeper albeit less flashy happiness that can be emulated. I was watching this tv show called jury duty which stars some random guy who doesn't realise it's a scripted show as part of a jury while everyone else is an actor (I feel like Derren Brown has had similar premises in the past). He didn't strike me as particularly intellectual and I doubt he'd call himself feminist but I feel like even just watching him on this show reacting as a real stand up dude to whatever the producers throw at him and the "problems" of his fellow jurors would be far more powerful in reframing someones ideas of masculinity positively than four hours of lectures of feminism for the vast majority of people and a lot more pleasant to boot.
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Sep 29, 2023 23:32
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zhar posted:I just want to shout you out as I read the last few pages Welcome to the thread and please feel free to post more! Jakabite is currently on bullshit probation so I'm here to reply on their behalf without permission. But also I want to encourage lurkers and others to post in here without fear.
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Sep 29, 2023 23:47
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I would prefer if we could get some that aren't here to explain how we need to deal with travellers, cops shouldn't be prosecuted for killing people, or how we need to compromise with andrew tate fans. I could personally live without that.
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Sep 29, 2023 23:51
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OwlFancier posted:I would prefer if we could get some that aren't here to explain how we need to deal with travellers, cops shouldn't be prosecuted for killing people, or how we need to compromise with andrew tate fans. I could personally live without that. That's why I picked my quoted poster. Don't make the one who isn't a piece of poo poo doubt themselves!
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Sep 29, 2023 23:56
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You don't need to compromise with them. Just keep telling them your feminism is the actual answer to their worries I'm sure they will pay attention next time.
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Sep 29, 2023 23:56
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TBH Rugz I've not really engaged with your posts due to being busy this week but it seems a little rich that your retort is that other people haven't engaged with your position given you've been a main character in this generally light-hearted thread on two topics of rather deep political meaning.
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Sep 30, 2023 00:03
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Tesseraction posted:TBH Rugz I've not really engaged with your posts due to being busy this week but it seems a little rich that your retort is that other people haven't engaged with your position given you've been a main character in this generally light-hearted thread on two topics of rather deep political meaning. That's not what my retort is at all but OK. Sorry that debate & discussion of deep political topics makes people with very specific ideas about what should and should not be complain that 'other' positions get posted I guess.
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Sep 30, 2023 00:07
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It's pretty impressive that you reply with "that's not what I said" and then rather than clarify you go on some weird diatribe. Are you posting for the sake of an external audience?
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just dont "debate" with owlfancier. they're immune to it. They already know the way they want things to work and thats that.
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Sep 30, 2023 00:15
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Tesseraction posted:weird diatribe Rugz posted:Sorry that debate & discussion of deep political topics makes people with very specific ideas about what should and should not be complain that 'other' positions get posted I guess. OwlFancier posted:I would prefer if we could get some that aren't here to explain how we need to deal with travellers, cops shouldn't be prosecuted for killing people, or how we need to compromise with andrew tate fans. I could personally live without that. Not that weird. Tesseraction posted:Are you posting for the sake of an external audience? Odd question. If I was posting for an internal audience I would just monologue in my head, surely?
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Sep 30, 2023 00:18
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NotJustANumber99 posted:just dont "debate" with owlfancier. they're immune to it. Are you genuinely suggesting that OwlFancier agues in bad faith when directly addressing a poster's points?
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Sep 30, 2023 00:19
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I think the assertion is that I am incapable of having my mind changed. Which I don't think is necessarily true but it is correct that I very rarely find arguments persuasive on a lot of subjects, so it's broadly accurate.
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Sep 30, 2023 00:21
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Rugz posted:Not that weird. Addressing line 1: true, I give Owl more lenience in his diatribe because he's a known entity, likewise NJAN99 even though I tend to disagree with him. For line 2: legit question - is English your native language?
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Sep 30, 2023 00:21
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Tesseraction posted:Are you genuinely suggesting that OwlFancier agues in bad faith when directly addressing a poster's points? i didnt think so but if I google what arguing in bad faith means then maybe. but then that would be all of us.
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If i can make a modest proposal, how about replacing the word ‘feminism’, in particular as it applies to men. with ‘woke’? It’s a nice short, gender neutral, non-academic word. It currently lacks any kind of definition, so it is a blank space to define as required. In contrast, the word ‘feminism’ is the opposite of all those,, having more conflicting meanings than any political term other than perhaps liberalism.
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Sep 30, 2023 00:55
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The culprit has been identified: https://twitter.com/OfSymbols/status/1707846556756345163 After the alpaca murders, he needed a bigger fix
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He had to do it just in case somebody hugged it.
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zhar posted:I just want to shout you out as I read the last few pages and you have the best posts on this imo. I haven't watched any of Tate but it's my impression he sells a lifestyle and is quite good at marketing it and while it may not be fair or broadly true what springs to mind if I think of someone who self-identifies as a "male feminist" is someone who has neon dyed hair and talks a lot about feminism which as a lifestyle seems comparably a lot less sexy. Ultimately it's most important to have role models demonstrating a different worldview that leads to deeper albeit less flashy happiness that can be emulated. Thank you! Finally some recognition for my hand-crafted, non-GMO, artisan posts!!! I know what you mean about Jury Duty, great example. Such a wonderful show. You’ll be pleased to know Ronald is now doing all sorts of fun things and meeting famous people and generally going round being a hell of a good chap, and I believe is currently working with an animal sanctuary to help their publicity. He’s definitely a good example of what I meant - you don’t necessarily have to identify as a feminist to act like one. Thanks also Tess for replying on my behalf, no idea what that probe was about, there’s something stranger than usual happening in the Elon threads but it’s all a bit over my head. Rugz I’d suggest you continue posting but maybe if you’re finding yourself vehemently arguing against most others, take a step back from whatever post you’re currently writing and do something else for a bit. It’s really easy to get too into debates in this thread in particular and end up writing daft things and because it’s a pretty close knit community that usually ends more poorly than elsewhere. I usually put the phone down and do something else for a bit (or, if I’m lazy read another thread lol) if I find that happening. Sorry if this seems patronising but I only learnt to do it like a year ago and I’ve been posting here for 10+ lol.
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Tesseraction posted:Are you genuinely suggesting that OwlFancier agues in bad faith when directly addressing a poster's points? Owlfancier is a good egg but even he would admit his brain works a bit different from most people. He's very articulate but a little naive to how other people understand the world. Like his idea to just teach feminism. There is a clip which I will post if I can find it of a journalist asking some women if the believe in equality for women, they all say yes. They are then asked if they are feminists, they all say no.
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Mega Comrade posted:Like his idea to just teach feminism. There is a clip which I will post if I can find it of a journalist asking some women if the believe in equality for women, they all say yes. They are then asked if they are feminists, they all say no. Sounds familiar "should utilities be publicly owned?" "yes that sounds delightful  ""should they be nationalised?" "no that's communism  "
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Mega Comrade posted:Owlfancier is a good egg but even he would admit his brain works a bit different from most people. He's very articulate but a little naive to how other people understand the world. That's a fairly classic thing though isn't it? People don't understand the actual beliefs of eg feminism, but broadly support is principles so they are feminists without actually understanding what feminists are.
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My mum is unionising her workplace because she's sick of "management that does gently caress all but bully the people who actually work", volunteers in a homeless hostel and every week gives £100 of food to a food bank and yet will argue to her last breath that she's a true blue Tory. People are strange.
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Skulker posted:My mum is unionising her workplace because she's sick of "management that does gently caress all but bully the people who actually work", volunteers in a homeless hostel and every week gives £100 of food to a food bank and yet will argue to her last breath that she's a true blue Tory. Conservative and UNIONIST party
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Skulker posted:My mum is unionising her workplace because she's sick of "management that does gently caress all but bully the people who actually work", volunteers in a homeless hostel and every week gives £100 of food to a food bank and yet will argue to her last breath that she's a true blue Tory. So you're saying she's against Tory policies on the economy but presumably supports them for their social stances like sinking boats trying to cross the channel and stopping whatever woke means this week?
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Skulker posted:My mum is unionising her workplace because she's sick of "management that does gently caress all but bully the people who actually work", volunteers in a homeless hostel and every week gives £100 of food to a food bank and yet will argue to her last breath that she's a true blue Tory. People are strange. My dad was a shop steward for the union working on the rigs and refineries, my mum worked for the NHS her entire career on principle. But at some stage in the late 80s my Dad voted Tory. Now my sister and myself turned that ship around and despite his complaints about immigrants he stopped doing that. But being a Tory worms its way into people's brain. Where I work just now I manage a bunch of people who are young, earn a bunch of money and would not describe themselves as Tories. But a few of them are holidaying in Dubai, complaining about taxes, buying property to become landlords. They're going to be true blues by the time they're 40. The thing is they don't really care about politics, don't read the news and are unengaged with the world generally.
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forkboy84 posted:So you're saying she's against Tory policies on the economy but presumably supports them for their social stances like sinking boats trying to cross the channel and stopping whatever woke means this week? That's not what I'm saying at all. What a strange and offensive thing to say.
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forkboy84 posted:So you're saying she's against Tory policies on the economy but presumably supports them for their social stances like sinking boats trying to cross the channel and stopping whatever woke means this week? This is weirdly hostile and also a very beep boop robot way of looking at people. My mum voted Tory for years partly because she mixed up what Keynesian and Friedmanite economics were. As in supported Keynesian (actual) but thought that was what Thatcher was basically doing. I informed it was the other way round and she was quite embarrassed. She’s an extremely intelligent woman but in general has had far too much to worry about in her real life to look too deeply into these things. Jakabite fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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Skulker posted:That's not what I'm saying at all. What a strange and offensive thing to say. Well why would you support a party you disagree with on economic and social issues? It's hardly offensive, well, I guess my hyperbolic summary of the Tory positions could be but it's hardly like I'm going to care about being rude about Tories and making them sound a modicum worse than they are. But I will try to resist comic exaggerations if it's so offensive now. Granted, I have absolutely no comprehension of how people who aren't politically engaged think. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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forkboy84 posted:Well why would you support a party you disagree with on economic and social issues? It's hardly offensive, well, I guess my hyperbolic summary of the Tory positions could be but it's hardly like I'm going to care about being rude about Tories and making them sound a modicum worse than they are Woah it’s almost like people aren’t rational actors
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serious gaylord posted:That's a fairly classic thing though isn't it? People don't understand the actual beliefs of eg feminism, but broadly support is principles so they are feminists without actually understanding what feminists are. Yes. Feminism has a branding problem (as does socialism) Tate was offering no new ideas, just sexism and bootstraps but he branded them in such a way it got kids to believe it and give him money. forkboy84 posted:So you're saying she's against Tory policies on the economy but presumably supports them for their social stances like sinking boats trying to cross the channel and stopping whatever woke means this week? How people in this thread perceive the Tories is not how a lot of other people do and have almost characrature like view on people who do vote conservative. My mum voted Tory a couple of years ago, I asked her what policies she agreed with, she couldn't name any. And if anyone is paying attention to the news, arnt labour just promising those things ATM as well?
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Jakabite posted:Woah it’s almost like people aren’t rational actors They watch Ant and Dec shows. People are hosed up.
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Jakabite posted:Woah it’s almost like people aren’t rational actors There's a difference between being the mythical rational actor and being pig ignorant. Especially when that ignorance leads to you making the world and the country crueler, more inequal and just all over shittier. If that's offensive, I'm offensive I guess.
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forkboy84 posted:There's a difference between being the mythical rational actor and being pig ignorant. Especially when that ignorance leads to you making the world and the country crueler, more inequal and just all over shittier. If that's offensive, I'm offensive I guess. Not offensive. Just deeply ignorant of how people actually work in reality. It's a actually a huge problem for the left generally. Surely people know they're doing the bad thing, no they don't. That's why the culture wars are so effective.
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forkboy84 posted:There's a difference between being the mythical rational actor and being pig ignorant. Especially when that ignorance leads to you making the world and the country crueler, more inequal and just all over shittier. If that's offensive, I'm offensive I guess. If you realised your posting was contributing to the world overall being that bit crueler would you seek to change it or shrug and continue?
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Sure is a suprise that pm Corbyn isn't nailed on for re-election next year
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