Laterite posted:

Too Many Birds posted:

they still posted and it was called hieroglyphics you fuckin' uneducated swine

Morbus posted:

turns out animals are dumb as poo poo and feed you for a long time op

Eason the Fifth posted:

it would probably suck real bad ngl

Just a Moron posted:

In a hunter gatherer society without modern healthcare I likely would've been left in the forest to die after birth.

Not too bad of a trade off all things considered

tuyop posted:

god some of you really need to read some books, showing your whole rear end with this discussion

“modern uncontacted tribes” are often the centuries-old diaspora of some kind of disaster. the Amazon is a great example, where there were cities for centuries producing millions of pieces of pottery for landfill. in one example, smallpox preceded explorers by a couple of generations. so the people these conquistadors encountered were relatively new to that lifestyle, at least in its observed form. now we have folks here saying the same poo poo those assholes said. these “uncontacted tribes” have 20 000 years of history in which they were actors and subjects in themselves.

this is also true for the concept of farming and hunting and gathering. the reason people think of it like that is because of anthropology’s service to imperialism and race science. human history is not a video game where you level up from the Stone Age to the atomic age. in reality, people all over the world have played with agriculture many times in many ways. sometimes they would farm for a few years and roam for a few. sometimes they maintained huge farms the size of forests.

the life expectancy thing is like my favourite piece of liberal bullshit. like my god our quality of life and “progress” is literally gotten by sucking life out of other places, setting it on fire and ignoring the casualties. we simply don’t have a counterfactual that makes any sense here as well. like I don’t know what the life expectancy would be in a place if they hadn’t been brutally depopulated, colonized and sabotaged so I can live to a ripe old age. and I don’t know what my life expectancy would be if I didn’t have all this extra blood.

puncturewound78 posted:

I love western myths

No way the societies with 15 hour work weeks could have cared for the disabled and had accommodations.

Nope, only our brilliant extract model that euthanizes and developed eugenics cared for the disabled.

Keep chugging that kool aid

Just a Moron posted:

Buddy, I think you're underestimating just how annoying I can be.



Real talk: I was at least partially kidding, but there is a very real difference in life expectancy between someone who can move on their own two feet vs relying on the kindness and availability of the group.

Real hurthling! posted:

more like climid

Fried Watermelon posted:

1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus was a good book

puncturewound78 posted:

I love western myths

No way the societies with 15 hour work weeks could have cared for the disabled and had accommodations.

Nope, only our brilliant extract model that euthanizes and developed eugenics cared for the disabled.

Keep chugging that kool aid

Just a Moron posted:

I don't think this is essentially true, would you say that Cuba's advances in life expectancy is born from imperialism? The basic building blocks of a healthy life don't have to come from elsewhere. Their rate of accumulation is augmented via pillaging, but it is definitely possible to progress forward in scientific understanding and material infrastructure while coexisting with the rest of the world.

Just a Moron posted:

it is definitely possible to progress forward in scientific understanding and material infrastructure while coexisting with the rest of the world.

puncturewound78 posted:

Im disabled. gently caress you

puncturewound78 posted:

I love western myths

No way the societies with 15 hour work weeks could have cared for the disabled and had accommodations.

Nope, only our brilliant extract model that euthanizes and developed eugenics cared for the disabled.

Keep chugging that kool aid

tuyop posted:

what are you even talking about

where do you think Cuban infrastructure and “progress” come from?

like you know Cuba is a settler colony where nearly all the Indigenous inhabitants chose suicide rather than slavery under the Spanish? So even the very existence of Cuba as an entity that you can reference in this way is a result of pillaging and imperialism. you can argue that that’s cool and good but we have names for people who believe such things.

if you want to start your ahistorical liberal analysis at the revolution in the 1950s instead, then Cuba was a proxy state for the US and then for the USSR. It benefited from
the extractive colonial practices of both those empires all throughout the 20th century. which years of the average Cuban life can be attributed to Cuban gumption and which to draining the Aral Sea or the Spanish-American War?

this is beside the veracity of the claim entirely. how do you know that Cuba is so great and decoupled from imperialism in the way you claim? who has been measuring these things and how? where and what do they look for? what questions are they trying to answer? your numbers and stats are not mana from heaven, they’re political products designed to forward some agenda, you shouldn’t just swallow them as fact and use them to inform your worldview and make you carry water for monsters.

Just a Moron posted:

Show me a study about the excavated bodies of pre agricultural peoples, and the relative proportion of those with physical disabilities that made it to adulthood. I would find that genuinely interesting and convincing.