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Travic posted:So as funny as this all is what are the chances of Ukraine getting more aid from us when/if the House gets back up and running? A lot of people are big mad at the corner of the Republican party that stymied things over Ukraine funding. Whenever Gaetz had a Ukraine line in his debate time, those were some of the few moments people were actually booing him. I remember him being jeered at least twice for it. I think any sort of compromise candidate that a dem would vote for probably has to make Ukraine funding assurance on some level to somebody, and any R that they don't support will be too weak to push back on funding that the Senate will easily put into their legislation. A fractious conservative caucus has kneecapped the past three Republican speakers, I doubt they have some miracle worker waiting in the wings to suddenly solve their problems.
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Main Paineframe posted:It's easy to forget, but the majority of House Republicans did vote to keep the government open. It's just a handful of people causing this mess. And the House always has a handful of fringe dumbasses, because it's relatively cheap and easy to win a single district. It's just that the GOP margin is so thin that it actually matters. If the GOP had twenty more seats than they do right now, Gaetz would probably be powerless. Billion dollars? Are we sure? I hear a lot of these people have a really tough time in getting it up to that.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Has this happened in any other countries in the last 25 years? Like not even regional powers or whatever, but like any loving countries with legislatures in this century? This seems like a profound systems failure. The Netherlands has been in a weird state of instability for the past twenty or so years. For the majority of the nineties we had had the so-called Purple cabinets - Labour, with a Blairite re-branding, in a coalition with the big right-wing liberal party and the smaller centre-left liberal party (liberal in the European sense, the 'classical liberal' that Ben Shapiro likes to pretend he is). In 2002 a new right-wing populist party, the LPF, was formed around a single individual, Pim Fortuyn, who was shot and killed in the weeks leading up to the election. In the end, they got just over a sixth of the votes in the 2002 elections. They ended up taking part in a coalition along with the Christian Democrats as the biggest party and the aforementioned right-wing liberal party. It was a shitshow, right from the start. Within hours, one of their cabinet members had been forced to step down. She had repeatedly reassured that while yes, she had been a member of Desi Bouterse's militia in Suriname, she had left before he became a cocaine dealing union leader murdering would-be dictator. Within hours of her being announced as part of the cabinet, journalists had dug up pictures that proved that she had been lying about that. It set the stage for an absolute clusterfuck of a government that lasted less than three months. A lot of the issues revolved around LPF cabinet members not having any background in politics, wildly overestimating the power they held as cabinet ministers, fighting amongst themselves over who got to lead their party after their leader had been killed. It was full of all sorts of banal incidents. Eduard Bomhoff, minister of health and vice-prime minister, was unhappy with how little speaking time he was getting in cabinet meetings, so he brought a little bell he'd ring whenever he felt like he needed more speaking time. Herman Heinsbroek let himself be driven around in his Bentley by his personal driver, because he felt that the cars provided for cabinet ministers weren't up to his standards. Since then, about 20% of the Dutch electorate just bounces from one populist party to the next, with other parties getting wildly fluctuating numbers of seats. There's also the problem of the Senate. The Dutch Senate is elected on a separate election schedule, not directly, but based on the results of provincial elections. More and more, these provincial elections aren't treated as electing provincial governments, but rather for voters to voice their displeasure with national politics. As a result, there are frequently situations where the ruling coalition doesn't have a majority to back it up in the Senate, creating massively unstable situations. Obviously it's not as dysfunctional as the mess in America, but yeah, we're also dealing with the destabilising effects of right-wing populism, especially in the past few years, with an outspoken Putinist party in parliament, one that actually introduced a motion demanding that the Dutch government exert his influence to get Andrew Tate released from house arrest. Thankfully that party seems to be set to lose massively in the November elections, although they'll just be replaced by other right-wing populists.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He automatically loses his power and the House goes back to having no Speaker after 3 legislative days. That's why they are going into recess for a week and then trying to figure out who should be Speaker before his time expires. Where are you getting this from?
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I know this distracts from the current situation in the House, but it looks like the Year of the Strike is continuing: https://twitter.com/business/status/1709490642315776362 This is primarily nurses, medical techs, and support staff, and only covers California, Oregon, Washington state, Colorado, Virginia and Washington, D.C. - but it's still a big deal. The strike is set to commence at 6AM today, 10/4 and run through Saturday. Major sticking points are compensation and understaffing. I don't have any real analysis on this one, but it's interesting how many sectors are continuing to strike. We still have almost all of Q4 to get through, are there any other strikes waiting in the wings?
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Shooting Blanks posted:I know this distracts from the current situation in the House, but it looks like the Year of the Strike is continuing: No idea, but I sure hope so. I feel like a lot of these strikes are long overdue and I'm all for workers getting theirs.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I know this distracts from the current situation in the House, but it looks like the Year of the Strike is continuing: It is interesting but the Union numbers are a real bummer right now. Unionized labour as a percent against all labour is down this year vs last year. It was also down last year vs the year previous. Hopefully we see some movement on this in the near future.
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I AM GRANDO posted:It’s great that the republican talking point about this is “irresponsible democrats refused to save McCarthy from himself by voting for him.” Big “you’re supposed to take the penny out of my hand before I stick it in the socket” energy, just openly saying that democrats are supposed to destroy themselves to keep a status quo the other side is trying hard to utterly explode. I mean, threatening suicide is a common manipulation tactic in personal relationships. It also worked for the financial industry in 2009. Can't recall if similar threats weren't made over COVID when we had to choose between "the economy" and public health.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I know this distracts from the current situation in the House, but it looks like the Year of the Strike is continuing:
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Kale posted:
The general spin on talk radio is that this is a good thing because the HFC are "fighters" trying to save the country from the radical left takeover. So at least 40% of the country will look at this and say "this is great! Finally, some people with a set of balls!"
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OctaMurk posted:Mccarthy is a dumbass. Why would pelosi back him up lol It's definitely copium to act like all this happened because Pelosi threw a steel chair into the ring anyway. He had an opportunity to enter a power-sharing agreement and prevent government shutdowns indefinitely. So when this comes up again in 45 days, good luck with that buddy. There is hardly a bigger idiot in the GOP, which is all out of actual leaders.
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NYT has a big haberman article about Rudy’s descent in alcohol use disorder. Apparently he spent a month at mar a lago after the 2008 primary and that’s where he completely fell off the wagon. The article paints a pretty pitiful picture. Rudy is broke, friendless, bitter, depressed, and drunk most of the time. It’s clear for all to see and hardly anyone tries to deny it. This is important now because jack smith is working to be able to prove trump knew rudy was drunk when he was just “listening to advice from legal counsel.” Hard to say 80 is an early grave, but rudy sure does seem to be drinking himself into it. https://twitter.com/nprinskeep/status/1709541680947269649?s=46&t=JBd6ZXmGQ3LmWL-ineTnAA
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Speaker McHenry has already ejected Pelosi and now Hoyer from their respective hideouts, they are all being re-keyed.
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what, has he been planning his vengeance for years or something. you'll rue the day, Pelosi! You'll rue the day!
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Riptor posted:Where are you getting this from? quote:What happens next after Kevin McCarthy ousted as U.S. House speaker? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-are-next-steps-us-house-searches-new-speaker-2023-10-03/
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Nonsense posted:Speaker McHenry has already ejected Pelosi and now Hoyer from their respective hideouts, they are all being re-keyed. There's no way this doesn't come back to bite the GOP the next time they lose the speakership.
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Nonsense posted:Speaker McHenry has already ejected Pelosi and now Hoyer from their respective hideouts, they are all being re-keyed. Typical Republican, lash out in anger at the Democrats while doing nothing to the sex monster in their own party who actually instigated the fit. How long do we have before Gaetz' ethics investigation is over and we get to see an expulsion of a Representative anyway?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-are-next-steps-us-house-searches-new-speaker-2023-10-03/ Weirdly enough most outlets aren’t reporting the time limit at all, and a couple went as far as to say it was indefinite.
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"Speaker Emeritus" is the honorific, the physical office itself would be an honorarium, I guess
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One House member has already promised to nominate Trump for Speaker, but even in a crazy world where he did become Speaker, caucus rules would force him to step down because of his pending indictments. https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1709419617142047223
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Pelosi's office being reconfigured as a walk in closet for the interim Speaker's bow tie collection.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:One House member has already promised to nominate Trump for Speaker, but even in a crazy world where he did become Speaker, caucus rules would force him to step down because of his pending indictments. And if there's one thing we know about Trump and the Freedom Caucus it's that they all love following the rules to the letter and respecting norms.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:One House member has already promised to nominate Trump for Speaker, but even in a crazy world where he did become Speaker, caucus rules would force him to step down because of his pending indictments. I mean in that insane scenario they’d just eliminate the rule, but it isn’t happening anyway.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:One House member has already promised to nominate Trump for Speaker, but even in a crazy world where he did become Speaker, caucus rules would force him to step down because of his pending indictments. How long until Trump turns it into McCarthy being ousted just so the Democrats can try and make him look bad by making him ineligible to be Speaker. A position many large men with tears in their eyes were begging Big Sir to take.
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projecthalaxy posted:And if there's one thing we know about Trump and the Freedom Caucus it's that they all love following the rules to the letter and respecting norms. I mean Trump hanging out in the halls of congress telling everyone he is speaker when he is, in fact, not, would be objectively hilarious.
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downout posted:Billion dollars? Are we sure? I hear a lot of these people have a really tough time in getting it up to that. It's Palmer Luckey, the former Oculus CEO who got his company bought by Facebook for $2 billion (he didn't get all of that himself, but he got a good chunk of it), collected Facebook executive paychecks for a while, and then later got fired for being a giant Trump megafan and sued Facebook for another $100 million. Pretty much as soon as that wrapped up, he founded a defense contractor that's gotten plenty of military contracts for building autonomous weapons and "virtual border wall" systems. His exact net worth is unknown, but it's generally thought to be well above a billion dollars. Riptor posted:Where are you getting this from? It's from a somewhat ambiguous part of the House rules about the Acting Speaker (Speaker Pro Tempore). There are actually three ways someone can become Acting Speaker:
The reason I say it's ambiguous is because the rules governing and limiting the Acting Speaker change substantially based on whether the Acting Speaker came about through 1, 2, or 3. The House rules make the differences between 1 and 2 very clear, but the rules (or at least the official guidebook to the rules) are much less clear about the distinctions between 1 and 3. I think to some extent, that ambiguity is deliberate - the succession stuff was added in the wake of 9/11, so I suspect they wanted to allow enough flexibility to handle cases like "what if a terrorist attack kills half the House". I also suspect some of it is not deliberate - the succession stuff was added at a different time from the rest, and probably no one bothered to go over the rules and do an edit pass for consistency and clarity. I don't think the 3-day limit applies to a type-3 Acting Speaker, only to a type-1 Acting Speaker. It's hard to be completely sure, though. There's a clear intention for non-elected Acting Speakers to be weaker and more temporary than elected Acting Speakers, but there's also a clear intention that when the Speaker's office is vacant, the Acting Speaker should have flexible powers for responding to whatever circumstances led to the vacancy. If the Speaker's office is vacant, the Acting Speaker has "such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore", which to me sounds a lot like government-speak for "you can do whatever you can convince the rest of the House to accept under the circumstances".
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OctaMurk posted:Mccarthy is a dumbass. Why would pelosi back him up lol Listen, everyone knows the Democrats must abide by ~decorum~, and no one could have possibly seen McCarthy having karmic retribution bite him in the rear end like this.
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Riptor posted:chaos reigns Undead fox for speaker?
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Main Paineframe posted:It's Palmer Luckey, the former Oculus CEO who got his company bought by Facebook for $2 billion (he didn't get all of that himself, but he got a good chunk of it), collected Facebook executive paychecks for a while, and then later got fired for being a giant Trump megafan and sued Facebook for another $100 million. Pretty much as soon as that wrapped up, he founded a defense contractor that's gotten plenty of military contracts for building autonomous weapons and "virtual border wall" systems. His exact net worth is unknown, but it's generally thought to be well above a billion dollars. Can an acting/designated/etc speaker be hit with a motion to vacate?
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Weirdly enough most outlets aren’t reporting the time limit at all, and a couple went as far as to say it was indefinite. Three legislative days can't pass if you never resume the session. 
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Cimber posted:The amount of pettiness for someone to go after Pelosi's hideaway office within the first few minutes getting the power to do so is just breathtaking. They also booted Steny Hoyer from his office lol So impotent. Let's see how you like it when you HAVE NO OFFICE
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:FYI: FEMA is conducting a national emergency test of their cellphone disaster system today at 2:20. 
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Northern Ireland doesn’t have an executive right now since last year, and from 2017-2020 sort of didn’t have a government. Interesting situation for them.
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It must be such a cool existence, just getting programmed with literally whatever and it just becoming true in your brain with none of those boring middle steps. Yeah, vaccines react to emergency pings and make you a zombie. I've always believed that my whole life.
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Shooting Blanks posted:This is primarily nurses, medical techs, and support staff, and only covers California, Oregon, Washington state, Colorado, Virginia and Washington, D.C. - but it's still a big deal. The strike is set to commence at 6AM today, 10/4 and run through Saturday. Major sticking points are compensation and understaffing. I don't have any real analysis on this one, but it's interesting how many sectors are continuing to strike. We still have almost all of Q4 to get through, are there any other strikes waiting in the wings? Las Vegas hospitality workers' unions have been striking for several weeks now, but for some reason that one has been mostly flying under the radar.
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