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Boxturret posted:Or you could say you're not in the right I set myself up for this.
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Frakes also directed Frame of Mind and I think he did a great job at it. Lots of cool shots and clever staging.
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Oct 4, 2023 03:34
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zoux posted:Except why the gently caress is Beverly an amateur metaphasic shields enthusiast? Because Beverly can do everything! She runs sickbay! She commands the night shift! She runs a drat theater company in her spare time! While Data, the android who doesn't even need sleep is slacking off playing Sherlock Holmes badly, she's organizing engineering conferences just for the hell of it! It's perfectly reasonable that "Remember Me" Picard thought it made sense that they didn't need a crew besides her!
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Oct 4, 2023 05:56
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My favorite thing about Rightful Heir is how Gowron starts out sounding like a paranoid rear end in a top hat with his "Kahless is a fake, this is all a plot by the priests against me" talk, and then he turns out to be absolutely right about everything. Plus I love the scene where Gowron cross-examines Kahless on his story about the man and the wind. "What was he wearing? How tall was he? What color were his eyes?"
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Oct 4, 2023 05:57
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Zaroff posted:The thing which gets missed about Suspicions is that Beverly should still be receiving disciplinary action despite everything that happened in the episode! It really stands out that the premise doesn't make sense for her, but that episode really rules, and is a big argument for why they should've done more Detective Bev episodes. scuse me, KARATE Detective Bev.
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Oct 4, 2023 06:18
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It would've fitted a lot more better if the experimental science something or other in the episode was biological, to get her into the plot more naturally, but the part where she gets extremely determined about something and won't stop fits her well.
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Oct 4, 2023 06:21
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Hey, a person can have hobbies that aren't related to their job. I got the impression that she hosted the little symposium not because she cared about shield technology specifically, but because she cared about science that much and saw it as an opportunity to sponsor a promising new direction of research that needed some help.
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Oct 4, 2023 06:27
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Crusher wasn't just sponsoring a new direction of research, she was also sponsoring researchers who likely wouldn't even get seen in other places. I can't imagine, for example, Vulcan scientists taking Klingon or Ferengi warp researchers very seriously. Also, it seems like every Starfleet officer has to be a scientific genius on some level. Even guys who go in wanting to be security had to have high level math and physics courses just for the opportunity to test to enter Starfleet Academy.
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Oct 4, 2023 09:57
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Crusher is command qualified. I don't know exactly what that means in the context of Trek, really, but if it's anything like the US Navy that should mean she has at least a basic understanding of every critical system on the ship, right? It's not like TNG didn't demonstrate that she was competent as a ship's commander.
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Oct 4, 2023 11:14
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A.o.D. posted:Crusher is command qualified. I don't know exactly what that means in the context of Trek, really, but if it's anything like the US Navy that should mean she has at least a basic understanding of every critical system on the ship, right? It's not like TNG didn't demonstrate that she was competent as a ship's commander. That’s correct. She mentions it in the episode where she talks to Troi about how she enjoys taking night shifts as bridge commander, that it gives her a reason to stay up to date on everything.
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V-Men posted:Also, it seems like every Starfleet officer has to be a scientific genius on some level. Even guys who go in wanting to be security had to have high level math and physics courses just for the opportunity to test to enter Starfleet Academy. As well the Enterprise was considered a very prestigious assignment so you'd expect even amongst starfleet she'd be considered highly educated/skilled/intelligent person.
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Oct 4, 2023 14:16
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She had to be hypercompetent because if there'd been something wrong with her, it would have meant there was nothing wrong with the universe and we wouldn't have any stories to watch
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Oct 4, 2023 14:55
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But literally it was because it was a script written for Worf, some of the producers thought Worf was overused, and Jeri Taylor wanted to give Beverly something to do. Originally it was supposed to be a film noir thing with Detective Worf but it went through so many changes that suddenly you have the CMO of the flagship deeply invested in deflector shield physics, and the free flow of information in that particular scientific community
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Oct 4, 2023 15:17
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I think her presence in the story makes enough sense because she only gets really invested in it (beyond the level of "it'd be nice if these assholes listened to Reyga") after a couple of autopsies and some medicobabble
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zoux posted:But literally it was because it was a script written for Worf, some of the producers thought Worf was overused, and Jeri Taylor wanted to give Beverly something to do. Originally it was supposed to be a film noir thing with Detective Worf but it went through so many changes that suddenly you have the CMO of the flagship deeply invested in deflector shield physics, and the free flow of information in that particular scientific community I feel like Worf would've been an even worse fit for the episode. Geordi probably would've been the best fit, but we just had a "Geordi solves a murder mystery" episode with Aquiel.
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Less "Geordi solves a murder mystery" and more "Geordi rubs his trouser legs like Vic Reeves while a murder mystery goes on in the background".
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Sash! posted:Worf's logic in Conundrum is amazing. This was on last night and it's hilarious how everyone goes with it Riker walks up to Picard, points at the four pips on his collar, "looks like you're probably in charge." Worf is all *waves hands down body* "I too am decorated!" and in the next scene he's in the captain seat
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Oct 4, 2023 19:57
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Riker: oh yeah? Well, check out these *tears off uniform to show nipple rings*
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davidspackage posted:Riker: oh yeah? Well, check out these *tears off uniform to show nipple rings* This is a hilarious thing to see when I jump to the end of the thread and have no context other than it's Riker.
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Two actual, factual Rikers in Second Chances. That's four whole nipple rings! It's a wild spin on the old "Enemy Within" TOS plot, with completely different sensibility and outcome. Riker and Riker are both exceptionally pissy towards one another, which is saying something considering how pissy Riker can sometimes be. Thinking back to Up the Long Ladder and his TURBO PISSY reaction to the idea of being cloned, this makes perfect sense. A compelling one, was not expecting that outcome. I take it Thomas Riker is never seen or heard of again? Let me just check Memory Alpha. Wow. Vaporised. Just his smoking boots remaining. And a single melted nipple ring. Crikey. Timescape begins with everybody on the wacky baccy. Troi's is doing an accent, one that bounces alarmingly between Liverpudlian, Irish, Scottish and Gibberish, all while pulling faces like yer drunken aunt at a wedding. Then Picard attempts to one up her with another equally as silly accent, accompanied by lots of eye rolling and smirking at how WACKY he's being. Then Geordi starts sounding off like a pervert about how great it is to touch some plasma. So! Things are already weird! Then the time fuckery begins and while I'm sure it's all a load of technobabble bollocks that doesn't make a lick of sense, it's REALLY FUN technobabble nonsense where they just do a load of mad things with the concept of time going nuts for whatever reason. Alien babies trapped in the Romulan microwave or something.
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Limited spoiler: Thomas Riker will return. And it is glorious.
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yeah he teams up with the crystalline entity and attempts to use its power to give cosmetic surgery to the galaxy and make everyone sexier (S5e04, "Silicone Avatar")
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Oct 5, 2023 02:16
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God S1 Odo is such a loving cop.
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after that he finds a borg cube that regained its individuality from the collective and teaches them the ways of love in a borg orgy (S6E26, "Borgy")
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davidspackage posted:Riker: oh yeah? Well, check out these *tears off uniform to show nipple rings* Tom Riker: rips off nipple rings
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The Undiscovered Country is such a treat. I remember seeing it in the theater as a kid but a lot of the Cold War allegory went over my head. Just watched it again a few days ago for the first time in probably 30 years. I think it's my favorite Star Trek movie.
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Technowolf posted:God S1 Odo is such a loving cop. Odo is a fascist. I love the actor and performance and think the character is interesting, but he's a fascist and a fascist collaborator and there's nothing else to be said about it.
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It's honestly very frustrating that DS9's writers were capable of understanding the problem with Dukat but (apparently) not seeing the issue with Odo.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Odo is a fascist. I love the actor and performance and think the character is interesting, but he's a fascist and a fascist collaborator and there's nothing else to be said about it. I don't think he is
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For example, when he meets his people and they invite them to join their fascist empire he says 'no' and resists them. His arc even culminates in helping to defeat them and then returning to then to teach them that fascism is not the way. I think subtle little clues in the storytelling like this help indicate that he may not be a fascist, but rather portray a conflicted character who struggles between his inate need for order and the ethics he has learnt living in a democratic, cosmopolitan society
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No Dignity posted:For example, when he meets his people and they invite them to join their fascist empire he says 'no' and resists them. His arc even culminates in helping to defeat them and then returning to then to teach them that fascism is not the way. But acknowledging nuance like that means I can't win arguments by screaming "copaganda!!!!" at the top of my lungs.
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the real fascists are the bajorans who collaborate with their colonialist oppressors, the wormhole aliens.
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Odo has fascist tendencies due to his very strict binary sense of right and wrong and his decades of experience watching solids be awful to each other. He’s very much a Lawful Neutral character and that rigidity is really only broken over time because of the influence of people like Kira and those fascist tendencies definitely lessen over the course of the show. I don’t think you can make the argument that the Odo who travels to Cardassia to help organize a resistance movement against an actual fascist government is still a fascist himself.
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The problem isn't whether or not Odo is a fascist, it's the fact that the show really dances around ever engaging with the lovely things he's done. Not going along with the literal evil empire bent on brutal subjugation is a really, really, really low bar to clear, and he gets so close to not clearing it that Rom almost dies. And the resolution to that arc isn't even that Odo saves the day, it's just that Odo got lucky and nobody died yet. "Things Past" is also really problematic for Odo in that even post-occupation his issue is with allowing three innocent people to be executed rather than the fact that the executions were inherently unjust under the circumstances. Basically I have a ton of problems with how Odo is presented in DS9, but they're all really meta complaints about how the show as a whole is written. Characters are constantly either ignoring or making in-universe excuses for his behavior that don't really add up, but the alternative is treating Odo like a villain instead of a member of the main cast.
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Odo literally does save the day in Sacrifice of Angels though? He has like the most classic 'good guy wavers and is tempted by evil, comes to his senses at the critical moment and pulls through for his friends when it counts' arc ever then
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Paradoxish posted:Basically I have a ton of problems with how Odo is presented in DS9, but they're all really meta complaints about how the show as a whole is written. Characters are constantly either ignoring or making in-universe excuses for his behavior that don't really add up, but the alternative is treating Odo like a villain instead of a member of the main cast. Yeah, I feel like Odo gradually learns to temper his fascist tendencies with compassion, but the way the other characters just excuse his desires to round up and interrogate random people and establish curfews with "now now Constable" is the real standout issue.
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No guys they said there was nothing more to be said about it! He's a literal personification of a sentient brownshirt though
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He literally collaborated with Dukat during the occupation and he and Kira can make any number of justifications for why his collaboration was different, but in the end he was a fascist collaborator. It doesn't matter that he did good in not joining the Dominion because he literally already committed the crimes that matter. Unless we're going with "first fascism is free".
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I'm trying to fill my punch card for the eleventh free Extra Fascism
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Eason the Fifth posted:The Undiscovered Country is such a treat. I remember seeing it in the theater as a kid but a lot of the Cold War allegory went over my head. Just watched it again a few days ago for the first time in probably 30 years. I think it's my favorite Star Trek movie. Yeah same it loving ruled, probably the only movie I've ever seen where I was super hyped for it and it delivered. e: lol when starfleet brought in their own cop because they didn't trust odo to cop properly but then their cop turned out to be a space libetarian revolutionary-cosplayer canadian convoy rear end in a top hat so I guess the moral here is uhh don't be a cop
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