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I don’t get why anyone thinks that Dems should take responsibility for any of this poo poo show It’s entirely friendly fire from within the GOP caucus, and we knew it was pretty inevitable when McCarthy agreed to those strict concessions as he accepted the speaker position
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World Famous W posted:just a small heads up to people, if you post using x.com domain and not the twitter one, people reading the forum through the apps won't get them embedded
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I saw this story talking about possibly expelling Matt Gaetz from the Republican caucus. Anyone think this is a possible outcome of this speakership thing? I'm curious if enough Republicans are going to take on the part of the caucus that seems even less interested in governing than most of the party. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/10/03/matt-gaetz-republicans-kevin-mccarthy/ quote:“I’d love to have him out of the conference,” Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) told reporters Tuesday. “ … He shouldn’t be in the Republican Party.” quote:"And Rep. Derrick Van Orden (R-Wis.), seething on the House steps after the vote, said: “I will always put the best interests of the United States of America and my constituents above my own personal feelings. And clearly Matt Gaetz can’t do that.” Also, does anybody else hate when the news uses the word ouster instead of oust or ousted. They all mean the same thing basically, but ouster sounds so bad to the ear, seems like it should be the person who does the ousting but it just means "to oust" as well and the news loves to say ouster.
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Oct 4, 2023 16:19
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don’t get why anyone thinks that Dems should take responsibility for any of this poo poo show if its anything real and not just trolling, its beltway nonsense columnists that need to file something, anything and have been conditioned over the last decade+ to go for clicks. On the speaker replacement drama, I don't think anyone can get to the threshold because funding/not funding Ukraine will be the litmus test. Diehards will say no funding and won't get any dems to support and any "bi-partisan" candidate who says yes to funding won't get the diehards or will be immediately vacated once in.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don’t get why anyone thinks that Dems should take responsibility for any of this poo poo show Something about how the Dems are supposed to be the adults in the room and stop the Republicans from dousing themselves in gasoline and self-immolating, but shouldn't expect any favors in return? I think that was the narrative McCarthy was spinning after being ousted.
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Oct 4, 2023 16:25
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Oct 4, 2023 16:26
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don’t get why anyone thinks that Dems should take responsibility for any of this poo poo show It's also worth imagining a mirror situation where the Democrats were the majority party and whether Republicans would vote to keep in a Democratic speaker in order to keep things running smoothly (Answer: hahahahaha no).
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Oct 4, 2023 16:30
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Kind of impressive that the next Speaker of the House is either going to be the socially conservative warrior for traditional values - who let just a little bit of gay sexual assault happen to some teens under his watch without reporting it because the molester was a really good coach - or the guy with no testicles who self-identifies as "David Duke without the baggage" and thinks that is a positive framing.
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Oct 4, 2023 16:35
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Happy to hear a pissed off GOP House representative whining on NPR this morning about how gosh darn unfair it all is.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don’t get why anyone thinks that Dems should take responsibility for any of this poo poo show It's Fox-brand propaganda bullshit. That wing of poo poo heads and their entire media ecosphere is the one pumping out this framing that it was Democrats who voted to make this happen. An entirely equally valid framing is "Extremist Republican representatives held a bipartisan vote to oust McCarthy". Same facts, both perfectly valid, but they're not screaming that from the hilltops now are they? That would be framing true patriot eagle warrior MAGAs as something other than fighting the enemy. Can't have that. It's 100% DARVO bullshit propaganda to attack their enemies as redirection from their own failures.
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Fuschia tude posted:Does the acting speaker get to name his own secret list? (Congratulations, Acting Speaker McCarthy!) Nope, only real Speakers get to make a list. If McHenry is unable to serve for whatever reason, Acting Speaker goes to the next person on the list. If the list runs out of people, I think they'd have to fallback to option 2 and elect an Acting Speaker. Scoss posted:I'm a big dumb dumb. Apparently, McCarthy has been a total rear end in a top hat to the Dems during his time as Speaker, so all the Dems (even the moderates!) hate him on a personal level and believe he's an unprincipled piece of poo poo who can't be trusted. On top of that, the entire reason he was in this dilemma in the first place was because he's consistently refused any hint of compromise or cooperation with Democrats, choosing instead to make massive concessions to the Freedom Caucus types and play along with some absolutely scummy policy demands. Even when he did offer Dems deals, he had a tendency to not keep to those deals. There isn't going to be any remotely acceptable Speaker as long as the candidates would rather deal with Gaetz than with Jeffries, so might as well let Republicans eat themselves until they get sick of each other.
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For once I agree with this guy, which says a lot. The Dems had no control over this situation at all and to say otherwise is just bad faith nonsense https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1709568786389443026?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA
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Scoss posted:I'm a big dumb dumb. Usually the argument against "they made their bed, let them deal with it"/accelerationism/etc is that innocent people get hurt in the collapse. This here is a rare chance where the only people getting hurt from this boondoggle (for the next >45 days) are the Congressional Republicans themselves, so gently caress 'em.
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Has Trump weighed in on McCarthy getting the boot or taken sides with or against Gaetz? You would think his particular hot take would be the most sought after.
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gurragadon posted:I saw this story talking about possibly expelling Matt Gaetz from the Republican caucus. Anyone think this is a possible outcome of this speakership thing? I'm curious if enough Republicans are going to take on the part of the caucus that seems even less interested in governing than most of the party. It's distinctly possible, lots of House Republicans hate him. Is that number large enough to kick him out of the caucus (two thirds of them) instead of something much more toothless like censuring him or removing his committee seats? Maybe! 2/3rds of all house Republicans is 148 votes to expel, which is a lot, but he has done a heroic job of pissing almost everybody else in the House off. e: even funnier, if there are the votes in conference to expel him from the caucus, there are definitely also the votes in the whole House to expel him from Congress. At the moment they probably wouldn't do that, but there's an ethics committee report due at some point...
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Zwabu posted:Has Trump weighed in on McCarthy getting the boot or taken sides with or against Gaetz? 
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There has to be a "moderate" repub willing to usurp power who can get 20 GOP votes and could make a palatable concession to the Dems, something like "I'll let anything you put forward go to the floor for a vote".
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NomNomNom posted:There has to be a "moderate" repub willing to usurp power who can get 20 GOP votes and could make a palatable concession to the Dems, something like "I'll let anything you put forward go to the floor for a vote". Those Republicans would be killing their careers, because they'd never win another primary or election - Republican voters would see them as traitors, and Democratic voters would probably prefer one of their own. What would they even get out of it? Even if there was a debt ceiling crisis or shutdown looming, a few Republicans agreeing to side with Democrats just to get past that crisis could be the end of their careers. That's exactly what we just saw happen to McCarthy.
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I mean, it's also what happened to Boehner and Ryan, too. They compromised with dems to avoid collapsing the government and rather than deal with the consequences resigned afterwards.
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Zwabu posted:Has Trump weighed in on McCarthy getting the boot or taken sides with or against Gaetz? Reporters asked him if he thought McCarthy should be saved while the debate was going on when he stepped outside of his trial for a moment. He very pointedly ignored the questions and refused to offer any support for McCarthy who was obviously toast at that point. Trump doesn’t back anyone with the stink of a loser.
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projecthalaxy posted:It must be such a cool existence, just getting programmed with literally whatever and it just becoming true in your brain with none of those boring middle steps. Yeah, vaccines react to emergency pings and make you a zombie. I've always believed that my whole life. Obviously the vaccine contained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMsboqMMzs&t=17s FlamingLiberal posted:For once I agree with this guy, which says a lot. The Dems had no control over this situation at all and to say otherwise is just bad faith nonsense It's not just DC punditry that does this either, frustratingly enough.
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Nazzadan posted:I wonder if the emergency test is going to go through android auto/car play when it goes off. Gonna be at a stop light and hear a LOT of full blast emergency tones interrupting peoples podcasts and audiobooks Texas does this already for Amber alerts and it’s miserable. Oh, be on the lookout for a white ford pickup seven hours away? You got it mr Abbott
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https://twitter.com/RepCarlos/status/1709611565169725641 If only someone would reform this agreement we agreed to so McCarthy could be speaker in the first place
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FlamingLiberal posted:For once I agree with this guy, which says a lot. The Dems had no control over this situation at all and to say otherwise is just bad faith nonsense Pretty accurate take IMO
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What would the timing of making that kind of rule change be? For example, could Gaetz motion to vacate the chair again the second a new one is elected, or would the new chair be able to make changes to the rules regarding vacating the chair before it's invoked?
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Harlock posted:https://twitter.com/RepCarlos/status/1709611565169725641
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burnishedfume posted:What would the timing of making that kind of rule change be? For example, could Gaetz motion to vacate the chair again the second a new one is elected, or would the new chair be able to make changes to the rules regarding vacating the chair before it's invoked? From what I recall of the original McCarthy speaker election mess, the rule change and the speaker selection are in the same motion and go into effect simultaneously. There won't be a period where there's a new speaker and old rules
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burnishedfume posted:What would the timing of making that kind of rule change be? For example, could Gaetz motion to vacate the chair again the second a new one is elected, or would the new chair be able to make changes to the rules regarding vacating the chair before it's invoked? I believe that the rules package and the election of a new Speaker are part of the same... action? I don't know what to call it.
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 look at all these old white men shitlords lining up to be speaker so far
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Jim Jordan saw that promising everything to everyone - even when those promises were mutually contradictory (also known as lying) - was part of the reason McCarthy was deposed as Speaker... but, he could only be deposed as Speaker if he first got elected Speaker. Since he was elected Speaker by doing that, then it must be a good idea to try and do the same thing. He has reportedly told different groups of people that: - He definitely will allow a vote on Ukraine aid. - He definitely won't allow a vote on Ukraine aid. - He wouldn't force battleground members to make difficult votes on impeachment or messaging bills. - He will make sure that the House passes strong conservative messaging bills to put the ball in the Senate's court. - He will force through impeachment and subpoena votes to achieve maximum oversight and a successful impeachment. - That he will not dramatically reform the rules agreed to under McCarthy. - That he will take a look at reforming the rules agreed to under McCarthy. https://twitter.com/MicaSoellnerDC/status/1709610531307348278
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PT6A posted:I believe that the rules package and the election of a new Speaker are part of the same... action? I don't know what to call it. Actually, they are resolved using APNAP, but don't forget to check for state based effects and replacement effects. And god help you if there are layers involved
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Zwabu posted:Has Trump weighed in on McCarthy getting the boot or taken sides with or against Gaetz? He doesn't give a gently caress about anything that's not him.
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deoju posted:https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1709594907118031136 Great answer, really makes you think
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World Famous W posted:it is finished I'm an idiot who got vaxxed, so to prevent it I drank all the bleach under my sink. It's currently fighting against the zombification in my stomach. It hurts a lot, but I can feel it working!
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