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Here's a fun weirdness: one of my computers updated and then suddenly USB devices don't work anymore. Any of them. I assume WU hosed something up, but how do I even go about fixing this? Safe mode?
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Dism/SFC? Uh, if it was a big update it keeps the old version of windows for 30 days or something still right? What does device manager say about them?
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kirbysuperstar posted:Dism/SFC? Uh, if it was a big update it keeps the old version of windows for 30 days or something still right? What does device manager say about them? *All USB devices*, so including my keyboard and mouse. I literally can't do poo poo. I think it works in bios so I don't think the hardware is fried.
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Falcon2001 posted:*All USB devices*, so including my keyboard and mouse. I literally can't do poo poo. I think it works in bios so I don't think the hardware is fried. If you haven't already tried, do a full power off & reboot in case it's something with fastboot. Another thing to try might be disconnect your mouse & keyboard during boot and only plug them in when you get to the login screen. And remove anything other than the keyboard & mouse. Otherwise, yeah, you'll have to get into safe mode by hitting reset as soon as the windows logo comes up, might have to do that a couple times. If your devices work there, you can rollback the update.
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So I just installed Windows 11 pro on my new computer. I bought a new drive where I installed Windows but I also brought 2 old SSD I had on my old computer. The thing is that during install I did not notice but since an EFI partition already existed of my previous Windows install. It used it again for the new one. I wanted to format both SSD and just use them as storage. Is there a way to create a new EFI partition on Disk2 or do I have to do a clean install of Windows 11 again? 
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Sep 30, 2023 13:25
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Le0 posted:So I just installed Windows 11 pro on my new computer. I bought a new drive where I installed Windows but I also brought 2 old SSD I had on my old computer. The thing is that during install I did not notice but since an EFI partition already existed of my previous Windows install. It used it again for the new one. Heh, not only do you have the EFI partition on disk 1, windows also apparently used disk 2 for your Recovery Partition (the 521mb one). Impressive! You could use a partition manager program (such as Macrium Reflect Free) to move both of those onto the drive with your OS. Here's how I'd do it: 1: Use disk manager to shrink the C partition by like 800 MB. The empty space will be at the end. 2. Use the partition manager to copy the EFI Partition and the Recovery Partition into that empty space, in that order. 3. Unplug or disable the 2 other drives to test. (If unplugging is a pita, check your BIOS first. Some of them can disable sata ports individually. You also may need a reboot to BIOS to set boot order / tell it the new EFI to boot from.) I believe this can all be done inside windows, instead of needing to make a USB linux stick or macrium rescue stick. And shrinking a drive from the end is easy -- shrinking it from the beginning is annoying even on a SSD. There's no rule that the EFI partition has to be at the front of the drive.
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Sep 30, 2023 14:01
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Le0 posted:So I just installed Windows 11 pro on my new computer. I bought a new drive where I installed Windows but I also brought 2 old SSD I had on my old computer. The thing is that during install I did not notice but since an EFI partition already existed of my previous Windows install. It used it again for the new one. This is an all-time classic, recommendation is to have only the os drive connected when doing an install
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Sep 30, 2023 14:40
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The times someone wants that to happen have got to be exceedingly rare, right? Why is it even possible.
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Sep 30, 2023 14:43
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It's generally been much better with Win10+ and UEFI systems. On a clean system with multiple drives, I wouldn't bother removing the other drives. (Before UEFI the risk was that windows would decide that drive B was the boot drive and so put the bootloader there even if you'd targeted drive A.) But I guess installing onto a system that already has an existing windows install is I guess the last way to confuse things. And that partition structure on those drives is... pretty confused. It looks like there have been multiple installs / upgrades over time that have left extra stuff around. Flipperwaldt posted:The times someone wants that to happen have got to be exceedingly rare, right? Why is it even possible. What if you want to have 2 windows installs? Which wouldn't be entirely crazy if you had like two different versions of windows alongside. You can only have 1 (active) EFI partition, so if you do this windows can generate a boot menu so you pick which OS you boot. Also OP may have needed to use the advanced / custom path when installing, because the default would have been to upgrade the existing windows.
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I've been down that road a hilarious amount of times and I'm glad my current secondary drives are hot swappable or easy to pull a power or data cord from. Enjoy learning how to repartition in 2023 or nuke it all and reinstall, because that's faster (if anything at all isn't going your way) (if you can be sure anything needing backed up is safe) Make sure your drive is GPT and not MBR formatted, if that's a thing that's not 100% foolproof automatic nowadays.
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I'm a bit  but I'd just wipe all the drives, disconnect all except the one I want the OS in, delete the partitions and let Windows setup take care of it. Once Windows is installed I'd create single partitions on the other drives and then sleep the sleep of the truly content.
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Oct 2, 2023 23:24
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I see your and raise. I install proxmox on a seperate nvme, then create a vm for windows using pcie passthough for its nvme and then reboot bare metal into windows with all my other drives untouched.
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Oct 3, 2023 19:20
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I wish you could turn off certain NVMe slots in BIOS because it's a pain in the butt "disconnecting" disks nowadays.
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Oct 4, 2023 04:53
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Maybe it's because I've run dual-boots for at least 20 years  , but I haven't bothered unplugging drives and jumping through all those hoops in a long time now. The worst I've had happen in recent memory was installing Windows fresh on a new drive while leaving the existing Windows install drive in the system, and Windows deciding the bootloader should live on the old drive. Used EasyBCD and changed where the bootloader was located and it was fine. I think that was with Windows 7, although it might have been 10 - it's been a few years. poo poo works a lot better than it used to. 
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Oct 4, 2023 05:04
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Much, much better at updating BIOS, too, when you can boot to BIOS directly from Windows. You generally don’t have to get a priest to light a candle and pray your update doesn’t brick your mobo when you update from Windows either.
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Oct 4, 2023 05:56
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Thanks for the tips guys. In the end, I just unplugged my SSD and re-installed Windows from scratch it was faster I think. 
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Oct 4, 2023 08:05
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I've run into this too and I'm sure I fixed it in cmd through a series of commands to create the EFI partition on the desired OS drive.
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codo27 posted:I've run into this too and I'm sure I fixed it in cmd through a series of commands to create the EFI partition on the desired OS drive. Window 11: I'm sure I fixed it with a series of commands
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Oct 4, 2023 13:12
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Windows: the answer is usually diskpart
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Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 23560:quote:We’re beginning to roll out the ability to use Copilot in Windows with ALT + TAB. Using the ALT + TAB hotkey now displays the thumbnail preview for Copilot in Windows among the other thumbnail previews of open windows, which you can switch between by pressing Tab.
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Oct 4, 2023 20:22
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Combat Pretzel posted:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 23560: Who is it at Microsoft that allows all these awful decisions to happen? It will make every alt-tab operation slower. They're just loving with us at this point; well, to be fair, they did that by removing the start button in Windows 8. It really set the tone for future Windows development
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Microsoft are doing Apple's marketing for them by making Windows systems so horrible to use. Fire everybody and bring the team who did Windows 7 back to make all future OS decisions, and make sure you lock the Bing people out of the room.
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Isn't win+tab supposed to be the lovely bloated version of alt+tab? Don't mess with alt+tab!
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wa27 posted:Isn't win+tab supposed to be the lovely bloated version of alt+tab? Don't mess with alt+tab! That was my exact though too, they already have a bloated version of alt-tab that nobody uses, I guess that wasn't good enough for them edit: aww, since when did win+tab stop doing the sweet 3D flip through windows animation? shows you how often I use it, I guess double edit: since Windows 8, apparently HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Oct 4, 2023 |
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I've seen it reported that the alt+tab CoPilot thing only appears if CoPilot was already open anyways. I'll save my outrage for if/when it releases.
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I hope they take Copilot out back and shoot it in the head in about two years time, like they have with Cortana
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Combat Pretzel posted:Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 23560: As a general windows-liker and one of the folks who generally thinks it's fine, jesus fuckin' christ that's dumb. I hope this post is correct. Edit: https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2023/10/04/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-23560-dev-channel/ quote:Changes and Improvements Yeah, looks like it is just if Copilot is open. Okay that's fine. Falcon2001 fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Oct 5, 2023 |
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Hopefully I've got a bit of a common problem with a simple solution. I recently bought a bunch of new parts to upgrade my 10 year old rig. It's basically a completely new rig, (new PSU, motherboard, CPU, RAM, NVME HDD) and I was planning on dismantling the existing machine and then using the case for the new parts (it's a nice case and I was looking to save on costs where possible). Anyway, on my existing rig I have windows 10 installed on an isolated 300GB SSD (as well as two separate 2TB SATA SSDs for files/installed steam games, etc). What is the easiest way to transfer windows over to the new machine (and subsequently upgrade it to windows 11)? I was planning on bringing the 3 HDDs over to the new setup and hoping to just plug them in. However, I wasnt sure if that would work or if I'd end up with unforseen headaches to troubleshoot like widows having a seizure about where I've just moved it to and it not being able to see the drives, or boot up etc.
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It will probably just work. PC hardware is sufficiently standardized now that you're not going to run into funny issues with storage controllers and network adapters not working at all. The main thing to watch out for is if you're switching GPU manufacturer, then it might be a good idea to remove the old driver first, but that might also be outdated wisdom.
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Excellent news. Fortunately I upgraded my GPU a few weeks back (straight nvidia upgrade), so the drivers and everything should be good for that. It's been a long time since I built a PC, but I should just need to make sure that the windows SSD is set as the boot source in the bios right?
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nielsm posted:The main thing to watch out for is if you're switching GPU manufacturer, then it might be a good idea to remove the old driver first, but that might also be outdated wisdom. Even the GPU driver thing isn't a big deal these days -- multiple GPU drivers will coexist pretty happily and you can use 2 GPUs of mixed provenance without problems. I feel like you actually see more problems from old / not-fully-removed GPU drivers within the same brand that you need to DDU, rather than cross-brand. I'd still uninstall a GPU driver package if I wasn't using that brand of card anymore, but I feel like before or after isn't that big a deal. Kin posted:It's been a long time since I built a PC, but I should just need to make sure that the windows SSD is set as the boot source in the bios right? Yep. If your old windows is properly set up for UEFI and the bios is in UEFI mode, it won't even be the drive, it'll point at "Windows Boot Manager" or something.
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Klyith posted:Yep. If your old windows is properly set up for UEFI and the bios is in UEFI mode, it won't even be the drive, it'll point at "Windows Boot Manager" or something. I've no idea what UEFI is, but I think I get you. If it's enabled that option will be there in addition to c: d: etc I can't quite remember when I last reinstalled windows 10 (maybe 5 years ago), but is it likely it just has that option enabled by default?
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HalloKitty posted:That was my exact though too, they already have a bloated version of alt-tab that nobody uses, I guess that wasn't good enough for them The current version of Win+Tab is honestly quite nice.
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Kin posted:I've no idea what UEFI is, but I think I get you. You might have an easier time just installing Win11 on the nvme rather than going through all the new hardware association and driver re-installs. What I'd do is build the new system with only the nvme drive present. Install Win11, get everything updated and running, then I'd add a hard drive at a time. It sounds like you might even be able to simply keep your old system together, since you got everything to make a new one. If so, grab a USB Thumb Drive (or an external if you have one of those), boot up the old system, look for anything you need or want from the old Win10 install, copy it to the USB stick, and bring it over to the Win11 computer. For software, that can be a little bit trickier, especially if it is something with addons or custom folders (audio and video software I know can get crazy like this). But if it is just pictures and documents, a USB thumb drive will work just fine. If it's games, you should be able to find the save location and back that up. For Steam, it can cloud save, I believe, but it also keeps it's game saves in the Steam folder by default, or is it up to the individual game? (I don't do much with Steam at all anymore) Then you could repurpose the old system. Probably would make a great little plex server.
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Koskun posted:You might have an easier time just installing Win11 on the nvme rather than going through all the new hardware association and driver re-installs. Yeah, that might be an easier approach, but also one that would set me back maybe £150-£200 for a new case and another windows licence (if I've understood you correctly). I'm also partial to having windows installed on its own drive. Maybe that's not the done thing anymore? It still feels like the right thing to do if anything ever goes wrong with windows or the HDD. That's why I'm hoping just plugging the drives in and letting windows do its thing to fix itself is the easiest option. Then hopefully the only software I need to configure is steam and pointing it to the correct place if the drive letters have changed (though I'll be copying the games over to the NVMe drive anyway). The old parts currently don't have a use though, which is a thing I'm trying to figure out. I already have a small form factor refurbed dell optiplex running as a plex server. It's kinda slow as I think some of the parts were missold, but it does the job fine for something that runs in the background. My oldest kid is just under 2 as well, so he's a few years off from getting a hand me down to play Minecraft or whatever on (though I'm sure the parts will still be more than good enough for him then). Kin fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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Kin posted:Yeah, that might be an easier approach, but also one that would set me back maybe £150-£200 for a new case and another windows licence (if I've understood you correctly). As to a case for the old system, since there is no rush keep an eye out for something basic and on sale. Generic cases I've seen as low as $30 US here and there, and with Black Friday coming up (though that might be more a US thing), but just prep for Christmas sales, there will be deals to be had. The "Windows on it's own drive" might still be a tiny benefit, but I'd doubt much of one anymore given the speeds of nvme drives. Back in the day, yes it was a significant boost to have Windows on C and everything else on D, E, whatever. There might be a bit of a boost with SSD's keeping it separate still, as their speed isn't "fast", but that is compared to nvme.
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There's no difference whatsoever these days having Windows on a separate drive. Computers have become less exciting in the sense that they pretty much perform well without much effort. Enjoy the future.
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