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Shinzo Abe Wants You to gently caress is technically rooted in real politics but spamming it with any mention of children/families in anime is just a (pretty racist) meme. Like mentioned if anything the hardcore fetishy otaku stuff is kind of in defiance to that sort of conservatism (not saying that justifies it). mycot fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Oct 4, 2023 |
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Anora posted:Someone who knows more can probably comment more on it, but I know some of the creepy sex stuff was a plan in someway pushed by their government to combat their declining birth rate. Which is really hosed up. It's sort of like how Florida is letting teachers show Prager U videos to classes. [Genuinely and actionably] you need to be killed in brutal melee takedown animations
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Anora posted:I'd like to stop having people tell me I should watch Shield Hero or Jobless Reincarnation, and then just being like Hell man, iirc there is some stuff in the first five minutes. I think what keeps getting lost is that what we are getting here is a subset of a subset of a culture's media output and as much should be kept in mind. I worked with a good amount of foreign students during college and one thing that struck me at the time was that a good amount of the Japanese people's "give a drat" about the medium was "yeah that EVA song is pretty fun to sing at karaoke". That's just personal experience of course and does not constitute anything approaching a "sample size". Edit: Tangentially related, but mainland Chinese WW2 dramas are anime as absolute gently caress and it's s a hoot. My FiL would have one on from time to time that more or less amounted to "about a half dozen pretty ladies with distinct personalities, skillsets, and hairstyles dunk on the Japanese Army and/or some other Chinese faction." Some other show had a Japanese soldier straight up pile drive an infant in what was I'm sure intended to be serious and dark but came off as gonzo as hell. Not to take away from the history of what actually went down of course but they appear to be as popular as cop procedurals in the states, if not more so. Warbird fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Oct 4, 2023 |
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Anora posted:Someone who knows more can probably comment more on it, but I know some of the creepy sex stuff was a plan in someway pushed by their government to combat their declining birth rate. Which is really hosed up. It's sort of like how Florida is letting teachers show Prager U videos to classes. In general the stuff that you perceive as being for weird perverts, is also largely perceived as being for weird perverts in Japan. Stuff like One Piece is absurdly popular and contains some bawdy humor that probably wouldn't fly in a western kid's show, but it's not Reincarnated as My Mom's Slave Master or whatever. Stuff like that is exclusively the domain of hyperobsessed otaku even in Japan. Open Source Idiom posted:More pertinently, there's a (maybe only) half decent site out there, The Anime Feminist, that might help you filter out content when you're looking for something to watch.
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ArfJason posted:[Genuinely and actionably] you need to be killed in brutal melee takedown animations kramering into this thread to agree with arf
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a large disconnect in how this stuff is perceived is that while manga contains a large variety of diverse genres and many (actually) adult stories, most of what gets animated is either broadly popular (read: aimed at young boys) stuff like Dragon Ball Z, or hyper niche otaku bait like Shield Hero. Of course, there's a ton of anime that doesn't fall into those camps, but the stuff that gets promoted or gets much discussion is going to be, well, either the popular stuff or the stuff online nerds are into. So it's two separate layers of selection for that kind of thing. Anyway, watch Kino's Journey (2003) and Haibane Renmei, folx.
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there was an anime about going to antarctica a few years ago that was really good but also you could tell was sponsored by the government just because it had a scene where they talk about japan's position in international rights to send expeditions to antarctica and phrase how other countries treated them over it post-wwii as them getting bullied
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The Colonel posted:there was an anime about going to antarctica a few years ago that was really good but also you could tell was sponsored by the government just because it had a scene where they talk about japan's position in international rights to send expeditions to antarctica and phrase how other countries treated them over it post-wwii as them getting bullied
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The first two seasons of Vinland Saga are on Netflix and while it is fairly violent it is in service of telling the story of a guy who rejects violence. Also the series is extremely anti-slavery (which is something you'd think you wouldn't have to say)
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but yeah all the shinzo abe marriage propaganda stuff is total bunk. the reason you see that pop up in media is entirely just cause those are typical conservative beliefs and sometimes stuff is written by conservatives or people whose morals fall in line with convervatism. or in the case of something like darling in the franxx just because the guy writing it admitted he didn't have a brain cell. actual government propaganda stuff will usually go harder on, well, promoting the government and the national spirit. stuff like that time the ldp paid yoshitaka amano to draw cool ldp propaganda art and give an interview where he went "i have realized i have much to thank the ldp for like... roads." 99% of mecha anime and so on is written by and for huge nerds and isn't really a space that sort of propaganda... propagates in. isekai is just gonna be an extra trashy space for a while still cause it's where people go to get easy publishing so you're gonna see every trashy fantasy trope you possibly could thrown around. there's some decent stuff, most lesbian romance isekai that gets adapted is at least mildly fun and doesn't really have anything too weird going on, but there's no real filter on what gets published or adapted at all The Colonel fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 4, 2023 |
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muscles like this! posted:The first two seasons of Vinland Saga are on Netflix and while it is fairly violent it is in service of telling the story of a guy who rejects violence. Also the series is extremely anti-slavery (which is something you'd think you wouldn't have to say)
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The Colonel posted:but yeah all the shinzo abe marriage propaganda stuff is total bunk. the reason you see that pop up in media is entirely just cause those are typical conservative beliefs and sometimes stuff is written by conservatives or people whose morals fall in line with convervatism. or in the case of something like darling in the franxx just because the guy writing it admitted he didn't have a brain cell. actual government propaganda stuff will usually go harder on, well, promoting the government and the national spirit. stuff like that time the ldp paid yoshitaka amano to draw cool ldp propaganda art and give an interview where he went "i have realized i have much to thank the ldp for like... roads." 99% of mecha anime and so on is written by and for huge nerds and isn't really a space that sort of propaganda... propagates in.
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also call me crazy but like, i feel like if america had an average of 40+ new animated series every single SEASON, for years, some weird poo poo would get in there, especially if plenty of adult shows were in the mix, or if some were crowdfunded, or just given the platforms that might take/fund them just look at some of the games that get published on Steam when the floodgates are open. but i wouldn't take one of them and say "my date with furry hitler? yeah, this is why i avoid video games entirely"
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Goons selfrighteously jerking themselves off for being superior to those sandal wearing goldfish farmer freaks revealing themselves to be virulent racists ftmfw lol
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look at a lot of big american animation peoples' student films and you'll find some wacky poo poo, not to mention the industry including figures like doug tennapel and john krisfaluci in its storied history. the big difference is one between american and japanese production pipelines, since commercial american animation tends to be produced under more restrictive conditions both to the production process itself and to what's able to be expressed creatively, opportunities for real works of personal expression tend to be more limited in a variety of ways. but whenever you look at more independent pieces of work that aren't dealing with the same restrictions they always tend to be pretty fuckin weird. japanese animation, while being very complicated and messy and unstable in its own ways, has historically just allowed people more opportunities to make that kind of work on a much larger scale, and has more of a propensity towards adapting just about whatever seems like it might make a bit of money, usually on the part of studios that are directly tied into the publishing of the same source material and thus would directly benefit from that material selling better. this is the main source of the current flood of isekai: most of the isekai is published under kadokawa, kadokawa works in the animation business too, so kadokawa wants all of the isekai they publish getting animated whether it's, particularly feasible or not. and while i'm bringing up figures like john k and doug it bears noting that controversial figures in japanese animation, such as yutaka nakamura and the one guy who directed mmo junkie, both gaining industrywide notoriety for harassing people and being a weird holocaust denier respectively, have been effectively shut out of the entire industry and barely gotten any work since their big controversies. so there's not a major difference in either industry's willingness to punish bad actors when you get down to that.
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Hell Netflix made Big Mouth and that is full of naked kids in sexual situations.
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well when your daddy's a billionaire they let you make kind of cringe cartoons about yourself in jr high i guess
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Didnt Big Mouth have a scene where a preteen girl talks to her vagina or something?
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:well when your daddy's a billionaire they let you make kind of cringe cartoons about yourself in jr high i guess
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ive never encountered a sincere fan of big mouth in my life but somehow they keep making it
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I liked the first two seasons. I dropped Netflix so I don't know if the quality declined or not.
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big mouth is maybe one of the ugliest shows i've ever seen in my life
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Booky posted:big mouth is maybe one of the ugliest shows i've ever seen in my life Considering the subject material it's for the best
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I knew a woman that liked Big Mouth and she convinced me to watch an episode with her. I was not at all into it and asked her why she liked it. She explained its one of the only shows that deals with female puberty and she could really relate to it. When your options for topics are 1 piece of media or none I guess it wins by default.
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The Colonel posted:isekai is just gonna be an extra trashy space for a while still cause it's where people go to get easy publishing so you're gonna see every trashy fantasy trope you possibly could thrown around. there's some decent stuff, most lesbian romance isekai that gets adapted is at least mildly fun and doesn't really have anything too weird going on, but there's no real filter on what gets published or adapted at all To build on this: The Isekai boom of the last decade or so is really just the latest in a long tradition of a particular series being an unexpected and amazing success, which convinces the studio heads to just start greenlighting any series that even vaguely resembles it in the hopes of capturing lightning in a bottle twice. This results in way more lax vetting on the part of studio executives and gatekeepers, which in turn leads to a lot of series that, under normal circumstances, wouldn't be getting the greenlight. Couple that with the genre itself having some built-in capacity for wish fulfillment and you've got a pretty fertile ground for garbage to emerge. It happened back in the late 90s with harem comedies, then in the 2000s it was slice-of-life moe series, and then isekai is just the latest incarnation of that. There's nothing inherently bad about any of these and you can numerous examples of good shows within these genres, but when something within one of these genres becomes the next big thing it creates a prime environment of trash trying to ride its coattails.
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Right before the isekai boom it was trashy light novel adaptations harem romances where they all go to magic school.
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limp_cheese posted:I knew a woman that liked Big Mouth and she convinced me to watch an episode with her. I was not at all into it and asked her why she liked it.
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What about some anime written by women Full metal Alchemist Silver Spoon Baby Steps Though of course when something sexist eventually occurs because you can feel the will of the author getting crushed by the editor or just by society.
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The_Doctor posted:Everyone should watch American Dad, it’s not afraid to go full surrealist.  American Dad is easily the best Seth McFarlane creation, and from what I hear that's because he's barely involved. It's an incredible show.
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muscles like this! posted:The first two seasons of Vinland Saga are on Netflix and while it is fairly violent it is in service of telling the story of a guy who rejects violence. Also the series is extremely anti-slavery (which is something you'd think you wouldn't have to say) Vinland Saga is legit one of my favorite historical fictions. Yukimura is a big ol' nerd who works very hard to be authentic and considerate: A chapter was delayed recently because the woman he was working with to properly portray the Mi'kmaq people and language took time off to get married. He wasn't doing it without her.  There are also little author's notes about how much he admires and is blown away by the strength of women who had to live through medieval war. He laments that it's a man's game that women and children were made to suffer. Just comes across as a really gentle and sensitive fellow for someone enthusiastically writing about friggin' Vikings. You don't quite realize until the end of the first season that you're not watching a cool revenge story about a duel-weilding badass, you're watching the absolute worst years of Thorfinn's life. I could gush about it all drat day.
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Hazo posted:
The Orville is also really good
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I'm a huge fan of horror movies and that genre is full of problematic poo poo. It's can also be very progressive and platform the fears and concerns of minority voices. There's a lot of great stuff if you know where to look, and a lot of skeevy junk that must be acknowledged and worked through to get past. So I know what it's like to enjoy a genre with a low batting average. But that's not to say the two are the same. With horror you usually know what you're getting into; any exploitive elements are usually advertised front row and centre. With horror, the number of times I've been surprised and filled with regret and anger is very few. But with anime it feels like every goddamn time (Baki S4 being the most recent culprit). People here were sharing an honest conversation about their lived experiences and valid feelings of shock and betrayal, before idiots with disqualifying avatars started calling everyone racist (despite Japan hating otaku culture just as much). It's completely safe, sane, and reasonable to distrust commercial anime as a whole. If horror was filled with Victor Salvas or Megan Is Missings (the actual creepy poo poo that tries to sneak in) to the degree anime is infested, I'd be far less enthusiastic about the hobby. (And the suggestion that the anime industry effectively polices itself is loving laughable.  )Anime is trash until proven otherwise. Just as american horror and marvel movies are trash until proven otherwise. This is a perfectly functional policy to live by.
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you'd be the expert VVV: It was your shitass post that threw this thread into a tailspin. Come And See fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Oct 4, 2023 |
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Come And See posted:I'm a huge fan of horror movies and that genre is full of problematic poo poo. It's can also be very progressive and platform the fears and concerns of minority voices. There's a lot of great stuff if you know where to look, and a lot of skeevy junk that must be acknowledged and worked through to get past. So I know what it's like to enjoy a genre with a low batting average. holy poo poo dude shut the gently caress upppppppp you racist rear end loser
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hatty posted:Anime is good 
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Come And See posted:you'd be the expert what the gently caress are you talking about you dumbass, if anything it was the morons whining about all anime being for pedophiles (except for the Good Kinds) who started this poo poo and things were looking up with actual info before your dumb rear end barged in sorry someone called people out on being racist dickheads, cause i Never see these sorts of attitudes aimed at america the countrys output for family guy and riverdale; also good job on being a wuss and not even quoting me directly you "well you see its not racist because I Hate Everyone Equally  " rear end poster
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