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Moon Slayer posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1710066489242386863 That's another Article 6 issue, right? Lester B. Pearson probably posted:on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer. Then again, not like shooting down a passenger jet led to anything so it's just an academic question.
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Oct 6, 2023 00:08
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No one was hurt it seems, ship was able to sail away on its own power, so just for severity alone I doubt Turkey will do anything major about this. Also article mentions it could be a mine from just about any of the past wars, lots of UXO in the sea from the last century + of humans being dumb. That said, if something more severe happened to a NATO flagged ship like this, I'd expect Turkey's first move would be to start escorting their larger civilian ships in the region, well before going for article 6. Still more than a bit of a tinder box for sure.
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Oct 6, 2023 00:18
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ummel posted:https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1709664379312947574 Oh wow there's actual video of protesters of cops hauling people away for having a sit-in to protest the war https://twitter.com/codepink/status/1709585918649061856 https://twitter.com/codepink/status/1709627548613648872 And it's not violent insurrectionists or anything like that, they're arresting harmless grandmas in pink shirts in the USA. Really chilling.
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Oct 6, 2023 00:27
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Bernie made me leave his office too, I just wanted to hang out
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Oct 6, 2023 00:33
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Everyone knows grandmas are immune from prosecution.
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Oct 6, 2023 00:55
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America has been arresting peaceful protestors for decades, I'm not holding my breath for us to stop 
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Oct 6, 2023 00:56
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It's a code pink protest, the point is to get footage of participants getting arrested. Also it's the exact same set of events that was discussed yesterday.
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Oct 6, 2023 00:58
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VitalSigns posted:
Genocide apologists aren't harmless.
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Oct 6, 2023 01:25
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The point of the lying isn't to be believed, the point of the lying is to be obeyed.
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Oct 6, 2023 01:49
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VitalSigns posted:
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights also as as vermonter I don't condone any of those ladies representing me thank you
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Oct 6, 2023 01:58
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Can't hang out in any office I feel like whenever I want to. Very concerning, makes you think, open your eyes etc.
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Oct 6, 2023 02:03
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Did she get lost on the way to the Russian embassy? 
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Oct 6, 2023 02:11
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The co-founder of Code Pink married a leftist tech millionaire who runs a global propaganda network for the Chinese Communist Party. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html quote:Since 2017, about a quarter of Code Pink’s donations — more than $1.4 million — have come from two groups linked to Mr. Singham, nonprofit records show. The first was one of the UPS store nonprofits. The second was a charity that Goldman Sachs offers as a conduit for clients’ giving, and that Mr. Singham has used in the past. quote:But Code Pink goes further, defending the Chinese government’s policies. In a 2021 video, a staff member compared Hong Kong’s pro-democracy demonstrators to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 that year. So, I'm guessing they're not about to go in hard on Russia, either.
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Oct 6, 2023 02:22
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Isn't the Capitol a "special protest zone" where they've streamlined the law and made protest clearing so routine. Like, the whole point of going there to protest is to sit in and agree to be arrested and then donors pay the fines, etc?
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Oct 6, 2023 02:52
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ethanol posted:I have to assume this is a bad faith post but maybe read a little bit on what constitutes legal protesting I'm not sure what this has to do with the issue unless you misread my post as saying arresting the protestors is illegal. I'm well aware there are laws criminalizing peaceful protests like sit-ins, I think that's bad regardless of the opinions of the protestors. It was bad when protestors were confined to Free Speech Zones when Bush invaded Iraq, it was bad when civil rights protestors were arrested for sit-ins in the 60s, and it's bad now. Surely that's not controversial.
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Oct 6, 2023 03:31
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im pretty sure the grandmas weren't being beaten to death with sticks so much as calmly removed from his office. it's not comparable.
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Oct 6, 2023 03:35
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Plenty of Iraq War protestors were calmly arrested under laws criminalizing protests, all nice and legal and polite, that was still bad, pointing out that at least they weren't beaten almost sounds like a defense, I hope that's not what you mean.
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Oct 6, 2023 03:41
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VitalSigns posted:it was bad when civil rights protestors were arrested for sit-ins in the 60s, and it's bad now. I don't think you've been involved in (or even read about) much organized protesting if you think that getting arrested during one is surprising, or even undesirable. I don't know if this particular Code Pink protest falls into this category, but many protests are *designed* to provoke arrests. Often the organizers will even negotiate with the police about exactly how and when the arrests will take place, and the arrestees specifically volunteer to get arrested -- or at least, to put themselves in a position to be arrested. I've been to protests where such volunteers were disappointed that they *didn't* get arrested. Many of the protests of the Civil Rights era were designed to provoke arrests, because it turns out to be a very effective tool for publicity, influencing public sympathy for the cause, driving fundraising, etc.
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Oct 6, 2023 03:46
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Please don't turn this thread into a discussion about intricacies of different interpretations of the first amendment.
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Oct 6, 2023 03:48
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Which they wouldn't have to do if laws criminalizing protest didn't exist in the first place, part of what they are doing is trying to bring attention to those unjust laws! This line of reasoning seems odd to me. When Pussy Riot was arrested for protesting in Russia, I'm sure they were not surprised to be arrested, and I'm sure being arrested was what they intended from the beginning, but that hardly makes the arrest okay. Like, I don't think the fact that they wanted to get arrested means there isn't a problem with the law criminalizing what they did.
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Oct 6, 2023 03:52
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VitalSigns posted:Plenty of Iraq War protestors were calmly arrested under laws criminalizing protests, all nice and legal and polite, that was still bad, pointing out that at least they weren't beaten almost sounds like a defense, I hope that's not what you mean. ethanol fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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Oct 6, 2023 03:53
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VitalSigns posted:Oh wow there's actual video of protesters of cops hauling people away for having a sit-in to protest the war Are they protesting the war? Why are they at Biden's office and not at their nearest Russian embassy?
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Oct 6, 2023 04:15
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small butter posted:Are they protesting the war? Why are they at Biden's office and not at their nearest Russian embassy? They're protesting Bernie's decision to support more funding for the war because he is their senator. Presumably they are not at the Russian embassy because the Russian government does not represent them. If by "protest at the Russian embassy" you really mean, why aren't they condemning the Russian invasion, well it seems they do quote:Crystal Zevon, an artist and CODEPINK peace activist from Barnet, VT, expressed her disappointment in Senator Sanders, who has voted for more weapons to Ukraine and even criticized Democrats who called for peace talks. “Yes, Bernie should condemn the Russian invasion, but he should also be calling for a negotiated end to this brutal war,” said Zevon.
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Oct 6, 2023 04:21
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Yeah, they're hippies. They're Vermonters. I bet Bernie knows their parents.
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Oct 6, 2023 04:23
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VitalSigns posted:And it's not violent insurrectionists or anything like that, they're arresting harmless grandmas in pink shirts in the USA. Really chilling. How is that chilling? They had planned on being arrested. Hell, the capitol police even allowed them to be interviewed/give their thoughts to the camera as they were being removed from Sanders' office. Kalit fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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Oct 6, 2023 04:24
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small butter posted:Are they protesting the war? Why are they at Biden's office and not at their nearest Russian embassy? someone should protest biden not ending the war immediately by giving them our whole arsenal.
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Oct 6, 2023 04:25
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Ending funding and support for Ukraine will definitely bring the war to a close. A good closure? Well, that depends on which side you support more.
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Oct 6, 2023 04:27
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Kalit posted:How is that chilling? They had planned on being arrested. Hell, the capitol police even allowed them to be interviewed/give their thoughts to the camera as they were being removed from Sanders' office. Government agents suppressing civil liberties is chilling to watch (for me anyway, maybe I'm in the minority on this), even if the people being suppressed know in advance it is going to happen and intend for it to happen to bring attention to the criminalization of peaceful protest. I also thought it was chilling when they brought out the riot cops to clear out native americans blocking construction of pipelines even though the protestors were fully aware of what was coming and were hoping it would get the public on their side.
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Oct 6, 2023 04:37
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At what point does trespassing become protected speech?
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Oct 6, 2023 04:39
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VitalSigns posted:Government agents suppressing civil liberties is chilling to watch (for me anyway, maybe I'm in the minority on this), even if the people being suppressed know in advance it is going to happen and intend for it to happen to bring attention to the criminalization of peaceful protest. Suppressing civil liberties? A senator's office is not a public space.
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Oct 6, 2023 04:44
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the grandmas in pink shirts are part of a group providing genocide denial for profit https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/the-big-business-of-uyghur-genocide-denial/
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Oct 6, 2023 04:45
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oh it's chilling for sure man, grandma getting escorted out of Bernies office while she's giving a 3 minute speech to the camera that later appears on MAGA twitter who all say its the same as the sit ins in the 60s. very chilling
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Oct 6, 2023 04:45
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The only bad thing is they weren't thrown straight into cells in the Hague. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 6, 2023 04:48
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Kalit posted:Suppressing civil liberties? A senator's office is not a public space. meh that's the same defense as Bush's "Free Speech Zones". You can't protest here because we made a law saying it's not a protest space, gently caress that imo. It's not his living room, it's an office where he's (supposedly) serving the people, the people should be able to peacefully protest their representatives to their face, not safely tucked away somewhere ethanol posted:oh it's chilling for sure man, grandma getting escorted out of Bernies office while she's giving a 3 minute speech to the camera that later appears on MAGA twitter who all say its the same as the sit ins in the 60s. very chilling It's interesting how the same excuses show up for arresting them though They're "trespassing" anyway, they have bad and wrong opinions, they're supported by foreign enemies, etc None of which really matters to the principle of a free society. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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Oct 6, 2023 04:52
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VitalSigns posted:the people should be able to peacefully protest their representatives to their face, not safely tucked away somewhere like jan 6?
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Oct 6, 2023 04:53
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ethanol posted:like jan 6? Were those people peaceful?
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Oct 6, 2023 04:55
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VitalSigns posted:meh that's the same defense as Bush's "Free Speech Zones". You can't protest here because we made a law saying it's not a protest space, gently caress that imo. You're not answering the question of how it's suppressing civil liberties, as you had just claimed. AFAIK, protest hasn't been legal in non-public spaces, or at least in recent history. Saying something is suppressing civil liberties implies they're being rolled back and/or existing civil liberty laws are not being followed, which this is not doing.
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Oct 6, 2023 04:56
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if iraq was any indicator then protesting doesnt do jack poo poo.
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Oct 6, 2023 05:01
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VitalSigns posted:Were those people peaceful? You're saying that public officials should have no private space in which to work, where anybody is allowed to trespass, at any time, as long as it's 'peaceful', then there are no restrictions?. and you don't see how this could be an issue? Is shouting in the face of an individual in their office considered peaceful? Is that how you personally would protest? What exactly is wrong with the ladies protesting in a public forum ie the streets outside his office instead of his office? Is bernie currently conducting decades of systemic extrajudicial punishments on the grandmas or otherwise inflicting cruelty that would cause them to have no other option but to break the law? Note, them being arrested and released a couple hours later for being in his office is not extrajudicial. VitalSigns posted:
One of those is not an excuse, it's the reason they got arrested, lol. The opinions and foreign enemies thing doesn't matter at all to why they got arrested ethanol fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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Oct 6, 2023 05:10
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Can we protest people replying to anything Vital Signs posts?
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