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Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
As this is sorta the pan Asia thread: mass shooting in Thailand less than a year after the kindergarten massacre that left 36 dead.

Suspect was 14 and apparently just up and stopped taking his meds, whatever those were. Kid walked into Siam Paragon, a major downtown shopping mall, and unloaded.

Two dead, four injured, but the numbers have been revised a few times and likely will continue to be.

He was taken alive.

For the record, guns are legal and readily available in Thailand.

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Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Atlas Hugged posted:

As this is sorta the pan Asia thread: mass shooting in Thailand less than a year after the kindergarten massacre that left 36 dead.

Suspect was 14 and apparently just up and stopped taking his meds, whatever those were. Kid walked into Siam Paragon, a major downtown shopping mall, and unloaded.

Two dead, four injured, but the numbers have been revised a few times and likely will continue to be.

He was taken alive.

For the record, guns are legal and readily available in Thailand.

Guns are legal out there? Thailand is the outlier.

He was also wearing a cap with the US flag on it, so on brand.

Wonton
Jul 5, 2012

Mons Hubris posted:

I just left Beijing yesterday. Everything pretty much felt the same as I remembered in 2019. The only problem was we had a kid since then and we kept having to go to family dinners followed by my FIL’s friends taking us out, so I didn’t really get to do anything I actually wanted to do, and two year olds are really not equipped to handle the 3 hour private room dinners. We also had to go to Yangzhou for a weekend to visit a friend of my FIL’s and I swear to god we had the same dinner of boiled goose, lions head meatball, puffer fish, sea cucumber soup three nights in a row and I was starting to hope that they didn’t clean the puffer fish right and it would just kill me. If I post here enough, can I get my visa revoked?

Too minor for China problems :( but have a good trip!

Wonton
Jul 5, 2012

Atlas Hugged posted:

As this is sorta the pan Asia thread: mass shooting in Thailand less than a year after the kindergarten massacre that left 36 dead.

Suspect was 14 and apparently just up and stopped taking his meds, whatever those were. Kid walked into Siam Paragon, a major downtown shopping mall, and unloaded.

Two dead, four injured, but the numbers have been revised a few times and likely will continue to be.

He was taken alive.

For the record, guns are legal and readily available in Thailand.

2 dead Chinese tourists :(

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Okuteru posted:

Guns are legal out there? Thailand is the outlier.

They're more legal than you might think. Cambodia and North Korea are the only countries in the region that outright ban them. Japan and South Korea have tight restrictions, but you can get them if you have a reason (hunting, basically) and jump through all the license hoops. I thought China also 100% banned them but you can get hunting guns there too.

Also Miao people are allowed to have muskets for cultural reasons which is kind of funny.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Grand Fromage posted:

Japan and South Korea have tight restrictions, but you can get them if you have a reason (hunting, basically)

i hadn't even thought of hunting. the only loophole i knew of was being part of a historical society where you dress up like samurais with antique muskets and march in parades sponsored by the city

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Fur20 posted:

i hadn't even thought of hunting. the only loophole i knew of was being part of a historical society where you dress up like samurais with antique muskets and march in parades sponsored by the city

It's not as big in Korea but there are places in Japan that are trying to encourage more hunting since the deer and boar overpopulation problem is out of control.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

I saw them trying to deter Bears too after some recent attacks.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

Grand Fromage posted:

deer and boar overpopulation problem is out of control.

I'm am certain that a combination of spurious TCM claims, viagra and antibiotics can help solve this

Harder than 1000 year old antlers.
Stiffer than boar tusk

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Okuteru posted:

Guns are legal out there?

The first thing an American I told this to said to me was, "I thought shootings only happened in America. :smug:"

No, seriously, guns are legal for Thais to own in Thailand and Thailand has a history of mass violence and civil conflict and just doesn't do anything about it. Like, a lot of reckonings need to happen, from confronting the stigma on mental health and neurodivergence and doing something about the ease to which people have access to firearms.

But I don't even really like talking about it in public because I'm an expat and it's not like I can at all point to my own country as a "better example". poo poo sucks. Everything is hosed everywhere.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!




quote:

[...] Everything is hosed everywhere.

That specific thing is only hosed in a single digit number of countries tho

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

That specific thing is only hosed in a single digit number of countries tho

Citation needed.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



MarcusSA posted:

Citation needed.

Citation more needed for it being a higher number, buddy

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

That specific thing is only hosed in a single digit number of countries tho

Real rich for John loving Wayne to come in here talking about gun violence.

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Citation more needed for it being a higher number, buddy

poo poo's hosed in every nation effected by climate change and the imbalance of capitalism

Atlantis is safe... for now

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
Alot of the old Khmer blokes have an ak stashed under the house in a box somewhere tho

When Otres beach still existed and wasnt 100 Chinese casino's, old man Nop would fire his into the air if someone played music past midnight

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme

Grand Fromage posted:

I thought China also 100% banned them but you can get hunting guns there too.

And also for sport like trap shooting. First time I ever shot a shotgun was at the old Olympic shooting range in Beijing with some of my wife's friend's friends. Apparently it's totally cool to hand a loaded gun to a random rear end in a top hat and tell them to start blastin'.

Mind you, this was like 10 years ago so maybe Xi has already confiscated those guns away.

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
A filo got killed in the disputed waters, :(

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Kharnifex posted:

A filo got killed in the disputed waters, :(

The suspected culprit was an oil tanker, not a PLAN vessel.

free hubcaps
Oct 12, 2009

Ok this is p funny

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-67002583

Is China outsourcing its censorship to AI or is someone just that insane

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


free hubcaps posted:

Ok this is p funny

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-67002583

Is China outsourcing its censorship to AI or is someone just that insane

Could be either. There's no penalty to being trigger happy with the delete button but lots of consequences for missing something that the boss decides should've been censored, so.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Grand Fromage posted:

Could be either. There's no penalty to being trigger happy with the delete button but lots of consequences for missing something that the boss decides should've been censored, so.

idk how it works in a totalitarian regime with total media control, but is there a risk of the Streisand effect?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Rinkles posted:

idk how it works in a totalitarian regime with total media control, but is there a risk of the Streisand effect?

Oh yeah, happens a lot. There's not a lot of planning or thinking about consequences, just kneejerk reactions.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Gen. Ripper posted:

https://twitter.com/kunley_drukpa/status/1706448989493583881

Congolese, why haven't you considered you could learn some things from the Belgians?

yeah i love how the congolese dude is just listening to this privledged dipshit basically talk down to him.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Atlas Hugged posted:

Real rich for John loving Wayne to come in here talking about gun violence.

He's a god damned expert at gun violence, but like any professional he's gotta keep up his continuing education, so send him those citations!

Giant Metal Robot
Jun 14, 2005


Taco Defender

Grand Fromage posted:

Could be either. There's no penalty to being trigger happy with the delete button but lots of consequences for missing something that the boss decides should've been censored, so.

Also, the censors may not really understand why they're censoring things anymore after years of those things being censored.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Giant Metal Robot posted:

Also, the censors may not really understand why they're censoring things anymore after years of those things being censored.

I Homer backed into the bushes when one of our office staff asked me why she had to black out mentions of Tiananmen Square in one of our textbooks, did something happen there?

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry
The mods knew, about Tiananmen.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
\
:backtowork:

Mons Hubris posted:

I just left Beijing yesterday. Everything pretty much felt the same as I remembered in 2019. The only problem was we had a kid since then and we kept having to go to family dinners followed by my FIL’s friends taking us out, so I didn’t really get to do anything I actually wanted to do, and two year olds are really not equipped to handle the 3 hour private room dinners. We also had to go to Yangzhou for a weekend to visit a friend of my FIL’s and I swear to god we had the same dinner of boiled goose, lions head meatball, puffer fish, sea cucumber soup three nights in a row and I was starting to hope that they didn’t clean the puffer fish right and it would just kill me. If I post here enough, can I get my visa revoked?

I'll be going there next week. I heard expressvpn no longer works?

stereobreadsticks
Feb 28, 2008

Grand Fromage posted:

I Homer backed into the bushes when one of our office staff asked me why she had to black out mentions of Tiananmen Square in one of our textbooks, did something happen there?

I was talking to a Beijing local on WeChat once and she was complaining about how real local Beijing culture was being replaced by both generic international big city capitalism and internal migration from other parts of China. I was just kind of letting her go off out of curiosity about her perspective until she said in a text message on WeChat "it's just like what happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989!" I noped out of that conversation pretty quickly after that.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

NOT A COP

stereobreadsticks
Feb 28, 2008

Surprisingly she wasn't one. We're still friends, she's very skeptical of the Chinese government but was just hopelessly naive. She's since moved to Singapore for work.

Mons Hubris
Aug 29, 2004

fanci flup :)


Imperialist Dog posted:

I'll be going there next week. I heard expressvpn no longer works?

Astrill is the one to use now. I also had the ATT international thing where it’s $10/day for LTE and that somehow didn’t seem to be subject to the firewall. Google would take me to Google Hong Kong, but all my stuff worked.

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

VPN user getting a hefty fine and typical white glove service by the CCP

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/09/chinese-programmer-ordered-to-pay-1m-yuan-for-using-virtual-private-network

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

they confiscated 100% of his income earned overseas. And then added a tiny 200 yuan fine on top

Baddog
May 12, 2001

"....relatively small number of individuals who use the technology...."

heh.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Baddog posted:

"....relatively small number of individuals who use the technology...."

heh.

It's true though. Most foreign residents have them but that's a tiny amount of people who the government don't really care about, and few Chinese people bother. I'd be surprised if VPN use among Chinese is more than like, 5%.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Grand Fromage posted:

It's true though. Most foreign residents have them but that's a tiny amount of people who the government don't really care about, and few Chinese people bother. I'd be surprised if VPN use among Chinese is more than like, 5%.

Mmm perhaps. I think a lot of younger people in the bigger cities use a VPN, but that could end up being just 5%ish of the grand total.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Baddog posted:

Mmm perhaps. I think a lot of younger people in the bigger cities use a VPN, but that could end up being just 5%ish of the grand total.

I taught big city rich kids and only a handful were VPN users, most just didn't give a poo poo about anything outside the Chinese internet so they didn't need a way to use it. It was an issue since I was assigning research papers and most of them couldn't access English language information. Most of my friends had VPNs but my friends were college educated fluent English speakers who mostly had lived abroad and weren't big fans of the government so that's not at all representative.

It would be impossible to find out a real number but 5% is 70 million. Given how rare it was in my experience that seems high. And given that Chinese people do occasionally get arrested for it there's a risk there that doesn't apply the same way to the filthy foreigners wanting to post on Instagram or whatever.

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Baddog
May 12, 2001

Grand Fromage posted:

I taught big city rich kids and only a handful were VPN users, most just didn't give a poo poo about anything outside the Chinese internet so they didn't need a way to use it. It was an issue since I was assigning research papers and most of them couldn't access English language information. Most of my friends had VPNs but my friends were college educated fluent English speakers who mostly had lived abroad and weren't big fans of the government so that's not at all representative.

It would be impossible to find out a real number but 5% is 70 million. Given how rare it was in my experience that seems high. And given that Chinese people do occasionally get arrested for it there's a risk there that doesn't apply the same way to the filthy foreigners wanting to post on Instagram or whatever.


Ehhh, I think maybe they didn't want to fess up to using a vpn, especially not if it meant having to do a research paper!

This https://www.pcmag.com/news/breaking-down-vpn-usage-around-the-world has 31% of china using a vpn (of internet users, so not the total, but I'm guessing even in the countryside a pretty large % are online now).

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