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MokBa posted:My point is that AI "Art" ends up cheapening the real thing by association. Sane people shouldn't think this way.
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404notfound posted:Love that the show seems to abide by the Bill and Ted rules of time travel, where doing something (or talking about doing it) in the past suddenly leads to it having been done in the present What you described is dead-on for Loki, though. And that's a really cool way to do time travel too. Looper did that at one point and it was horrifying. MokBa posted:I don't think any of Loki is. 
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I’ve seen way better hoofin’. It’s not even close
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koolkal posted:My impression was that the TVA does not have branches and exists as a single place across all universes with a single timeline. Yea the TVA exists outside of time. OB talks about hundreds of years as if they were hours, because time passes, but it doesn't, both inside and out. You're in the TVA, you go to bed, have lunch every day, but its technically the same day, but you remember having lunch yesterday that was a ham and swiss on rye, but today you had the cobb. Also time outside of the TVA is both happening and not happening. The Roman Empire exists at the same time as The Simpsons, but they also exist 2 thousand years apart. I don't know why this time travel stuff makes complete sense to me.
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CatstropheWaitress posted:God drat the art direction on this show is brilliant. Consistently beautifully beaucratic, amazing outfits. They're also clever enough to explain just enough time travel to not lose the audience but also make sure it's fun. The pipe on the back of it, ridiculous in the best way.
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It seems like time within the TVA self-solves branches and variants. It’s always a single prime timeline inside the confines of the TVA. Loki’s shenanigans would have, anywhere else, caused branches, but within the TVA, the branch he created in history just gets cleanly merged back in. It would not surprise me for this to become some sort of very important plot utility for Kang
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twistedmentat posted:Yea the TVA exists outside of time. OB talks about hundreds of years as if they were hours, because time passes, but it doesn't, both inside and out. You're in the TVA, you go to bed, have lunch every day, but its technically the same day, but you remember having lunch yesterday that was a ham and swiss on rye, but today you had the cobb. Also time outside of the TVA is both happening and not happening. The Roman Empire exists at the same time as The Simpsons, but they also exist 2 thousand years apart. I don't know why this time travel stuff makes complete sense to me. https://x.com/SofaJustice/status/1710722980274393354?s=20
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do we know what the budget for each episode of Loki S2 is running on? hope Ke Huy Quan appears again and wasn't just an episode 1 cameo role. please give this guy more work so he doesn't go into another self imposed exile for another 20 years GateOfD fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Oct 8, 2023 |
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Also any "but Rutherford doesn't remember the big ball smashing the floor!" Yes but we know people in the TVA have their minds wiped, probably regularly, so when he was promoted from janitor to deskjockey, he might of been mind wiped. A big mind wipe apparently did happen at one point when there was a change from Kang openly running the show to him hiding behind the Time Keeper myth. Thats why his existence was unknown to everyone in the "present" until loki shows him, and when loki is in the "past" there's Kang statues everywhere.
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Oh poo poo, I never thought about that, he's only time slipping within TVA HISTORY, so that's why we go from Kang into the Timekeepers, because HWR is the one Kang left who took over the TVA after the other Kang/Kangs fell. The showrunners set that poo poo up well in retrospect.
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GateOfD posted:So I guess the mystery in the first episode is who attempted to prune Loki in the 'future' as Selvie was coming out of the elavator. He never found the timestick so someone else stabbed him from behind. Probably Loki
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GateOfD posted:So I guess the mystery in the first episode is who attempted to prune Loki in the 'future' as Selvie was coming out of the elavator. He never found the timestick so someone else stabbed him from behind.
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I thought Loki S2 was next weekend I was going to binge all of Cloak and Dagger season 2 this weekend so I could post about it before the thread moved on. I suppose I only have myself to blame, got sucked into binging One Piece. I did watch the first episode of C&D, though. It keeps the quality from the last series two, with great character beats for both leads and Detective O’Reilly. Bodes well for the rest of the rewatch. But on-topic: I’ll add my voice to the chorus of praise for OB. And the rest of the episode too, of course.
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It’s amazing how even just the Loki and Möbius bantering was better than anything in SI.
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I kinda wish they just pay Hiddleston to anchor the MCU this phase like RDJ did for the beginning. He kills it as Loki.
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yea. And Thor seems done, would have loved this actually good meaning Loki to meet up with Thor and actually give eachother closure. I think a flaw this entire phase has is that they dumped some actual huge lore and world progression into the Disney+ shows, but the movies have to pretend the theater audience hasn't watched any Disney+ stuff, so every single movie feels empty with almost no connection between any of them. Secret Invasion ended with a world changing event that should be affecting any movies set after it, but feel its gonna be ignored. Unlike the first marvel phases which were very cohesive. Like wtf is this mess of a setup we have so far with The Ten Rings, Dr. Strange, Ant-man, Wakanda Forever, Eternals.
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The first couple of phases were better about establishing protagonists. Tony and Steve were the focus and Coulson even tied the first phase together. Now it's a bunch of disparate characters with very limited crossover.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I thought Loki S2 was next weekend I was going to binge all of Cloak and Dagger season 2 this weekend so I could post about it before the thread moved on. I suppose I only have myself to blame, got sucked into binging One Piece. I'll still read your Cloak and Dagger posts, don't feel shy. I couldn't enjoy season 2 as much, as it felt very stretched out. A real sense of 4 episodes of content dragged out to fill 10 episodes for broadcast. There's good stuff in there, but it's just baggy and overworked and the chaff to wheat ratio is really high. I'm interested to see if it improves upon a rewatch (as slow paced stuff often can be), and as a Season One Enjoyer I value your opinion.
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Without this thread I legitimately would have no idea Cloak and Dagger was a show. Honestly, I'm still not exactly sure what it is, because I've never once seen an ad or any promotional things for it.
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Super Deuce posted:Without this thread I legitimately would have no idea Cloak and Dagger was a show. Honestly, I'm still not exactly sure what it is, because I've never once seen an ad or any promotional things for it. Think of it as a secret extra Netflix MCU show that you missed. 10 episodes of posh blond girl who can throw daggers, and a black kid who can use a cloak to teleport, being street level heroes. Season 1 is absolutely something everyone who ever enjoyed a Netflix MCU show should watch. It's not as good as DD or JJ season 1, but it's solidly decent stuff that is worth going out of your way for. It's teen oriented, but nothing wrong with that. Goes all in on race relations in the US, sticks the landing, and the soundtrack is like a third main character with wall to wall top tunes.
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Where IS cloak and dagger streaming now in the US? And does anyone else always think of the movie with Jack Flack and the Atari cartridge when they see the name?
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Arist posted:Hulu Ah, alas  it is
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live with fruit posted:The first couple of phases were better about establishing protagonists. Tony and Steve were the focus and Coulson even tied the first phase together. Now it's a bunch of disparate characters with very limited crossover.
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Parkingtigers posted:I'll still read your Cloak and Dagger posts, don't feel shy. I couldn't enjoy season 2 as much, as it felt very stretched out. A real sense of 4 episodes of content dragged out to fill 10 episodes for broadcast. There's good stuff in there, but it's just baggy and overworked and the chaff to wheat ratio is really high. I'm interested to see if it improves upon a rewatch (as slow paced stuff often can be), and as a Season One Enjoyer I value your opinion. Parkingtigers posted:Think of it as a secret extra Netflix MCU show that you missed. 10 episodes of posh blond girl who can throw daggers, and a black kid who can use a cloak to teleport, being street level heroes. Season 1 is absolutely something everyone who ever enjoyed a Netflix MCU show should watch. It's not as good as DD or JJ season 1, but it's solidly decent stuff that is worth going out of your way for. It's teen oriented, but nothing wrong with that. Goes all in on race relations in the US, sticks the landing, and the soundtrack is like a third main character with wall to wall top tunes. I don't really think you can describe Tandy as 'posh' unless you count her in her childhood flashbacks, though. Also, one thing I forgot to mention is that, this season got some rad promo art for each episode. Some more spoilery than others. I especially like the one for S2E1, by Phil Noto: 
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Invalid Validation posted:I kinda wish they just pay Hiddleston to anchor the MCU this phase like RDJ did for the beginning. He kills it as Loki. I was thinking this the other day. He’s really the only choice considering dudes got real weird about Captain Marvel real fast.
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CubanMissile posted:I was thinking this the other day. He’s really the only choice considering dudes got real weird about Captain Marvel real fast. I hate to say it because of said dudes but they've started showing commercials for The Marvels and it looks aggressively whatever.
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maybealabia posted:
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Invalid Validation posted:I kinda wish they just pay Hiddleston to anchor the MCU this phase like RDJ did for the beginning. He kills it as Loki. If only. 
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I wish Loki wasn't only 6 episodes, jfc. hundreds of pointless hours in Phase #w/e and only 6 episodes of this
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live with fruit posted:I hate to say it because of said dudes but they've started showing commercials for The Marvels and it looks aggressively whatever. I agree, but there was some pretty whatever Cap and Thor movies and they were pretty bigtime with the right direction.
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Barreft posted:I wish Loki wasn't only 6 episodes, jfc. hundreds of pointless hours in Phase #w/e and only 6 episodes of this
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LividLiquid posted:It might be one of the reasons it's so good, so while I do wish there was quite a bit more, I'm just gonna' be thankful for what we have. Yeah, true sadly
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I thought I was completely over Marvel stuff but I watched the first new episode of Loki and remembered that actually I'm just over stuff that isn't good, and this was loving good. It looks and feels completely different from everything else they're doing. The art direction and set design are spectacular, the lighting (and the noise!) enhances everything, and the acting is really good and I actually feel empathy for characters! Edit: Also, just like the first season, I get wonderful quasi-Doctor Who vibes from this show, and the Time Loom straight up looked like the Time Vortex to me at points
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THR has a big story about Marvel completely revamping their TV division in response to Secret Invasion and being unsatisfied with early Daredevil footage. Marvel decided to revamp Daredevil during the strike. They found that it was too much of a slow burn and wasn't lining up with their goal of being a soft reboot of the original show with more action and grit. They only had 5 episodes out of 18 filmed and Kevin Feige did not like the early footage. They have invested a lot of money and faith in the Daredevil show (it will have 18 episodes instead of the standard 6) and Kevin Feige is personally overseeing it instead of his Deputy who usually Executive Produces the TV shows. They have fired the original writers and are looking for new writers. Additionally, they are revamping the D+ production model to make it more like "traditional" TV instead of their original production model. Their original model did not commission pilots and instead filmed the entire $150 million series all at once and then went back for reshoots/editing when they found things they wanted to change. They also brought in outside talent to produce shows during the pandemic and felt burned by Secret Invasion - which was run by people not versed in "the Marvel method" and led to a lot of friction and fights over edits. They have sworn off outside creative talent and are back to using internal writers and Kevin Feige. There was so much friction and fighting between the outside talent and internal talent that the delays from the problems almost caused members of the main cast to leave and be unavailable to finish the show due to prior commitments. As a result, they are completely revamping the TV side of things. Commissioning pilots, hiring showrunners who write the show bible and pitch pilots, no outside creatives or crew, moving away from one-off mini-series and following the Loki model of serialized stories, and hiring full-time TV executives with prior TV experience instead of having Feige and his Deputies oversee the projects part-time. https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1712108882720403676 https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1712111317958472096 quote:Through it all, the company eschewed the traditional TV-making model. It didn’t commission pilots but instead shot entire $150 million-plus seasons of TV on the fly. It didn’t hire showrunners, but instead depended on film executives to run its series. And as Marvel does for its movies, it relied on postproduction and reshoots to fix what wasn’t working. quote:As its shows ramped up during the pandemic, Marvel stepped outside its usual staffing approach and brought in outside execs after years of internally promoting creatives who had been sufficiently trained in the Marvel method. quote:As it moves forward, Marvel is making concrete changes in how it makes TV. It now has plans to hire showrunners. Gao’s postproduction work on She-Hulk helped Marvel see that it would be helpful for its shows to have a creative throughline from start to finish. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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Reads like a much needed self-reflection on how broken things were. They appear to be making the correct pivot. Not much written on Echo, and I wonder if it's rumored problems will lean more on the Secret Invasion "this is a directionless mess" side. With it being a soft-prequel to the Daredevil series, I wonder if it will have more of Daredevil's supposed early problems or SI's jumbled vision. Of course, it should be much more grounded than SI and hopefully not have a big of a wasted budget. Maybe Echo will end up surprising people by being a smaller more focused series. Maybe not "crazy MCU movie level" like Wandavision, Loki. etc., but something akin to Cloak and Dagger.
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the article doesn't seem to say that Marvel is moving away from hiring outside talent at all. to the contrary, I read it as saying that they intend to hire more people with TV experience and rely less on Marvel Studios' film execs to oversee their Disney+ production and development
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