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Waroduce posted:Penitent & EatD spoilers It's so fitting and perfect that Valdor is just repeating the same mistakes the Emperor made the first time with the whole "But he has reneged. He keeps all power to himself, all authority and command, all secrets and instruments of transmutation, all reins and harnesses of Pandaemonium. He shuts us out. We are of little further use." bit. Also definitely mark me down and assuming that Valdor is actually Valdor, that would be a really lovely bait-and-switch.
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/08/sunday-preview-new-releases-abound-from-the-age-of-darkness GW really wants money huh
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EatD / Penitent spoilers: It's now been established that Custodians can fall to Chaos and be manipulated by the warp. Valdor has a spear that tells him about everything it kills, which he has now sunk into thousands of demons. He then made the 'interesting' decision to sink it into the Vengeful Spirit, which at the climax of the Siege of Terra must have been the most corrupted place in the galaxy. Even if he does nothing else in part 2 and 3, I'm expecting him to have been driven insane by that. I think it'll turn out that his plan is basically Great Crusade v2.0 with his twisted version of duty to the Emperor. His eventual goal is killing the Emperor, in the misguided notion that this will allow the Emperor to reincarnate. It'll be left ambiguous as to whether this is the right thing to do. I'm guessing that Eisenhorn and Ravenor will end up on opposing sides and Bequin will have to choose between them.
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Hey folks, I've cancelled my Audible subscription, and I've got 6 credits that are going to expire at the end of the month.  I'm looking to pretty much blow most/all of them on some Black Library goodness. Any suggestions?Here's what I've already listened to: Ghazghkull Thraka - loved it The Twice-Dead King 1 and 2 - they were pretty decent Scars and Path of Heaven - initially, I wasn't sure if I should be offended by the thick accents, but then the next book didn't have any accents and it really threw me off! I otherwise enjoyed these Brutal Kunnin' - loved it The Infinite and the Divine - also pretty good The Emperor's Legion - I barely remember this one, so I guess it didn't really stick with me; I know it gets rave reviews here. I don't know what's wrong with me. The Magos and Penitent - Like many, I started with Eisenhower and Ravenor many years ago, so I adored these two. Here's what I already own, but have not listened to yet: The Regent's Shadow Warboss Vaults of Terra 1-3 Here's what I have wishlisted already. I'm pretty sure these are from recs from this very thread, but I honestly no longer remember who, what, or why, or if these still hold up: Flesh and Steel Bloodlines Jaghatai Kahan Leman Russ Lords of Silence Valdor Slaves to Darkness Saturnine Warmaster - this is my best guess on where I last left off with Gaunt's Ghosts Unremembered Empire - same with Horus Heresy: my best guess on where I left off with Horus Heresy Spear of the Emperor Master of Mankind Talon of Horus and Black Legion - I've previously read Night Lords Alpharius Rites of Passage Any suggestions on what else to get or what from the wish list is worthwhile? Based on some of the current discussion, it sounds like there might be some books I want to check out before the 3rd Bequin comes out, but then perhaps those very books also requires other Heresy books, and then it's a whole spiral I get lost in.
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Master of Mankind is one of my favorites, I loved it
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Seconding Master of Mankind, that book is tight. Talon of Horus/Black Legion are great too, I find myself going back and listening to portions of both of those audiobooks every now and then.
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Lords of Silence Spear of the Emperor The two Black Legion books Saturnine is the best siege novel so far.
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Waroduce posted:def picking up the Rogue Trader just to have it as a coffee table piece It's a gorgeous book. There's so much artwork in it, not all of up to modern standards, but that's part of its charm.
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Plucky Brit posted:EatD / Penitent spoilers: Hoping this leads to the partial unretconing of the Inquisition War trilogy. Wake the gently caress up, Draco. We've got a palace to burn. Hell, the Squats are back, even. Time is a flat circle.
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Just finished The End of Eternity. Looking forward to being able to read the spoilers. Seige of Terra has a much higher batting average that Horus Heresy did IMHO.LashLightning posted:Hoping this leads to the partial unretconing of the Inquisition War trilogy. Wake the gently caress up, Draco. We've got a palace to burn. Bringing back Draco would be a hilariously unhinged move so I support it 100%
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This rivals the Astartes videos. loving genius, 100% full stop, this happened.
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Resonance22 posted:Hey folks, I've cancelled my Audible subscription, and I've got 6 credits that are going to expire at the end of the month. Pre-order books that aren't out for ages. Cancel your subscription/let it lapse. Cancel your pre-orders You'll get your credits back and you can still use them any time without having to resign up.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Just finished The End of Eternity. Really incredible to think that the series has lasted for 68 year huh
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Alternative crackpot theory: Malcador never left the throne and has been keeping poo poo together for 10 millenia, because the Emperor is dead/stuck and Valdor is fighting a war in the warp to get him back. Malcador is whispering and sending signs to the various actors in the siege. He's doing things everyone attributes to the Emperor in the current time.
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Goon concensus on Cypher by John French? I like his other stuff but if its bad I'd rather just wait until end and the death 2 before I buy another 40k book
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It feels like a reddit-rear end thing to post about, but honestly the only 40k books i feel like could be made into a relatively self contained/appealing to normies series or movies would be the Priests of Mars trilogy. It's got all the factions, some good drama between baseline humans and mechanicus, Eldar being Eldar and even space marines and titans and takes place outside of the weirdness that is full on 40k imperial space.
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Gaunt's Ghosts is literally "famous battles but in space and with pew pew lasers", I think you could make it into a film or TV series fairly easily.
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Biplane posted:Goon concensus on Cypher by John French? I like his other stuff but if its bad I'd rather just wait until end and the death 2 before I buy another 40k book It was fine. A bit bolter porny but fine.
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Nuclear War posted:It feels like a reddit-rear end thing to post about, but honestly the only 40k books i feel like could be made into a relatively self contained/appealing to normies series or movies would be the Priests of Mars trilogy. It's got all the factions, some good drama between baseline humans and mechanicus, Eldar being Eldar and even space marines and titans and takes place outside of the weirdness that is full on 40k imperial space. Unpopular opinion - WH40k is "unfilmable" and any attempt to turn it into mainstream media will be an utter disaster that makes Shyamalan's "Last Airbender" look good. Any film or series will be an incoherent mess at best and the uninitiated will think it's a crazy Russian knock off of Halo mixed with Lord of the Rings Do you want Judge Dread 1995? Because that's what we'll get
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Too pessimistic to say it's unfilmable. 40k is filmable, but it takes an incredibly deft hand who can balance the exaggerated with the sublime. In my view, Fury Road is proof that it can be done. One of the best films ever made, but in less capable hands it would be ridiculous in the most derogatory way. Instead, it takes what should be ridiculous and makes it beautiful and awe inspiring, but the art of it is that you still recognize that it's ridiculous, and you accept that it can be both things at once. I think Astartes rules, but I don't think it can be used as a model for a feature film or a show, because it's very much a vibes based sort of music video without the music. A show or film needs to get a little silly with it because if you deny the sillyness, you're bound to fail. Fury Road knows it's silly, that's what elevates it. I think that doing 40k would be incredibly hard, but I don't think it's impossible.
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Biplane posted:Judge Dredd 1995 owns though? Not if you loved the source material But I look forward to Eisenhorn being framed for a crime that it turns out his brother Horus actually committed, but luckily our intrepid cop has a computer hacker in a wheelchair called Ravenor who breaks him out of Commorragh along with a wise cracking goth elf to go on a wacky adventure where they stumble on Angron, Perturabo and Mortarion living together in the desert and have a fight. At some point a prophecy gets fulfilled and Eisenhorn grows wings and says "lol, I'm Sanguinious and didn't know it" and everyone realises Horus is actually evil because angel magic. Then the Emperor tells Russ to take him away and Eisenhorn/Sanguinious live happily ever after with dark elf girl. Horus says "I'll be back!!" and Dorn gasps and says "HERESY!!" Dun dun DUUUUN
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You have a gift and you're being cruel to yourself by ignoring it.
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Dog_Meat posted:Not if you loved the source material Still funny as heck though.
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Black Griffon posted:Too pessimistic to say it's unfilmable. 40k is filmable, but it takes an incredibly deft hand who can balance the exaggerated with the sublime. In my view, Fury Road is proof that it can be done. One of the best films ever made, but in less capable hands it would be ridiculous in the most derogatory way. Instead, it takes what should be ridiculous and makes it beautiful and awe inspiring, but the art of it is that you still recognize that it's ridiculous, and you accept that it can be both things at once. On a less cynical note, it's possible to pull it off (and has been discussed in the thread before) - but getting the right people to have patience and restraint while fighting a studio would be a miracle. - Start small scale and build up (Eisenhorn is perfect) - No space marines (unless it's a payoff and mythical space marines arrive and clean house at the end) - Minimal psyker crap (you don't want a massive, boring CGI Harry Potter magic battle) The biggest problem is getting the uninitiated audience to give a poo poo. Stalingrad / The Somme in space with faceless fanatics gets boring. "Oh, it's Helms Deep with guns". "Oh, it's Starship Troopers but with bigger bugs" "Oh, it's Halo? But with chainsaws" Even the setting itself is exhausting and would get old fast. There's only so much soaring gothic towers and incense swinging cyber babies you can tolerate before you glaze over like watching a Russian action film CGI fest. I'd be interested to see if they'd keep the horror aspect, too. "So he's the good guy, but he has a lobotomised zombie borg bringing him his lunch? WTF?!?!" Angry Lobster posted:Still funny as heck though. It's a film I'm glad exists because of the memes, the quotes and to be honest - the set design Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Gaunt's Ghosts is literally "famous battles but in space and with pew pew lasers", I think you could make it into a film or TV series fairly easily. I hate to be blunt, but: no, you couldn't. Gaunt's Ghosts is often summarised as "Richard Sharpe IN SPACE!", and that's a neat pithy tagline, but I advise anyone making that comparison to go back and actually watch the TV adaptations of Cornwell's books - they can be laughably cheap. When you see a busload of re-enactors marching up and down someone's lawn while the cast desperately insist to you that it's the Battle of Waterloo you can appreciate the enormity of the task. Technology and CGI have come on a long way, but even if Games Workshop might be able to get a bigger budget than a British terrestrial TV network's Period Drama department in the 1980s they're still not making Disney money. There is absolutely no way you could represent even a stripped-down fraction of the Sabbat Worlds Crusade without billions to burn. Probably the only way Gaunt's Ghosts would work on-screen would be to deliberately avoid direct book adaptations and write it to be "Other Adventures of the First-and-Only" inventing new scenarios for them that take place in the gaps between books. That would give control over the scale and an excuse to have smaller skirmishes that don't break the bank, rather than having to somehow make do with 14 extras and the studio's catering van to represent the entire liberation of Gereon. Charoclere fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Black Griffon posted:Too pessimistic to say it's unfilmable. 40k is filmable, but it takes an incredibly deft hand who can balance the exaggerated with the sublime. In my view, Fury Road is proof that it can be done. One of the best films ever made, but in less capable hands it would be ridiculous in the most derogatory way. Instead, it takes what should be ridiculous and makes it beautiful and awe inspiring, but the art of it is that you still recognize that it's ridiculous, and you accept that it can be both things at once. i think if your going to make a 40k show for the mainstream. it has to follow a human character either guardsman or an inquisitor and has to be a bit of a intro to the universe. also astartes can't show up until near the end. I mean yeah Big E is an awful piece of poo poo, but i do actually think he was friends with malcador or at least as friends as he could be with someone. Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/08/sunday-preview-new-releases-abound-from-the-age-of-darkness I am a loser who buys too many joytoy figures and today they announced the first of their cadian wave. comand squad first and then regulars and sentinal and other poo poo. https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/OXo6PDqvFkGIjFPB8vP6aA
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Charoclere posted:I hate to be blunt, but: no, you couldn't. All you're saying is that "it would be expensive" which, yeah, it would. But a Gaunts Ghosts movie is a war movie with some different guns and a few CG-heavy setpieces, focused on a small group of commandos. That's not an impossible task to film, not is it an impossible thing for the average movie goer to grasp. It's like saying 30 years ago "oh you could never make an Avengers movie, do you think Marvel has Disney money?" (Games Workshop would never sell their IP to Disney though, unless poo poo goes really bad)
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:All you're saying is that "it would be expensive" In the way that the US National Debt is a bit big... yeah, kinda. Gravitas Shortfall posted:But a Gaunts Ghosts movie is a war movie with some different guns and a few CG-heavy setpieces, focused on a small group of commandos. A small group of commandos who fight (among other things), mutants, daemons, daemonic mutants, psykers, Orks and Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, Chaos Space Marine Dreadnoughts, tanks, planes and artillery, and all that's before you start working down the list of dozens of different magical war machines cranked out on Urdesh. The Ghosts have had to face down rather more than just squad-level shootouts with Sons of Sek in their time! Then you have the bloody Satanic grotesquerie of all the Chaos rituals that take place that also need to be choreographed and filmed... Another detail goes beyond the battlefield too. Gaunt's Ghosts does wear it with a much lighter touch than other series, but there is still plenty of spirituality in the books too. Characters pray and worship sincerely, they handle relics with reverence, and they experience religious visions, saintly visitations, and even outright divine revelation. Would the general public, which can barely get its head around something as simple as The Force, be able to tolerate that? Libluini posted:You could also just side-step all of that by making it animation. True, but then that defeats the point of getting 40k on mainstream TV, general audiences won't turn out for a cartoon. I understand the sentiment chaps - it'd be wonderful to have an all-the-trimmings full-fat Grim Darkness Of The Far Future on the big screen - but it really is castle-in-the-air stuff. Charoclere fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Charoclere posted:A small group of commandos who fight (among other things), mutants, daemons, daemonic mutants, psykers, Orks and Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, Chaos Space Marine Dreadnoughts, tanks, planes and artillery, and all that's before you start working down the list of dozens of different magical war machines cranked out on Urdesh. The Ghosts have had to face down rather more than just squad-level shootouts with Sons of Sek in their time! Then you have the bloody Satanic grotesquerie of all the Chaos rituals that take place that also need to be choreographed and filmed... Not in the same film though. For example: Necropolis: Human cultist troopers with Woe Machine support, with a final climactic battle against a demonically empowered warlord. That's easily in scope for a single movie. Actually, thinking about it - Traitor General. Smaller group of protagonists, a lot of open planet stuff that could be filmed in a lot of places, then a few more expensive scenes with Chaos Marines/Wirewolves. Simple plot; "kill the traitor". Charoclere posted:Characters pray and worship sincerely, they handle relics with reverence, and they experience religious visions, saintly visitations, and even outright divine revelation. Would the general public, which can barely get its head around something as simple as The Force, be able to tolerate that? You have to trust your audience, and "these people have a weird pseudo-catholic faith and demons are real" isn't much of a stretch. I think it's when the esoteric elements become integral to the plot that you start to lose the audience but again, the plotting of the Ghosts novels is mostly just War Stuff. "Defend the city", "Kill the traitor" etc etc. I'm not saying any will be made, there's a fuckload of hoops to jump through. But there's nothing intrinsic to the books that makes them unfillmable.
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Gaunts ghost the movie just sounds like any generic military sci fi movie to me. if you're gonna do Abnettverse, at least do inquisitors and not something that could be any dark gritty sci fi except they shout "for the Emperor " instead of "mobile infantry!" or whatever.
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