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they both knew Edgeworth was alive but only because Phoenix tried to get Maya to channel his spirit so they could have one last drama-off this is not mentioned or even alluded to in any official material, but it is absolutely canon now that I've thought of it
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Maya (or Pearls) have never actually channeled a man, right? The only man that I think was channeled by a Fey was through Misty during the DL-6 incident.
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Spirit of Justice introduces a whole new kind of spirit channelling, which works for dudes just fine, and culminates in Maya rolling in to do a classic Fey channeling of a man. The man gag around it is that he was bald af and is pretty stoked to find himself in a body with a very full head of hair.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Maya (or Pearls) have never actually channeled a man, right?
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How did u forget Maya (Mega final SoJ case spoilers channeled Dhurke for like 2 entire days
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They forgot all of those examples because soj is a bad game and it has the worst story in the entire series including Layton vs Wright
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Layton v Wright exists specifically to dunk on Phoenix, not only does he have no idea what's happening he also has to face down Prosecutor Layton in the last trial, I'll remind you that Layton is practically the superman who excels at anything he wishes.
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flavor.flv posted:They forgot all of those examples because soj is a bad game and it has the worst story in the entire series including Layton vs Wright 
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flavor.flv posted:They forgot all of those examples because soj is a bad game and it has the worst story in the entire series including Layton vs Wright good grief
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Dr. Cool Aids posted:good grief I'm right
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Actually, speaking of Layton vs Wright, I've been playing this indie AA clone that's really taking a lot of inspiration from it, Tyrion Cuthbert: Attorney of the Arcane. It's really good! Fantasy Ace Attorney is something that hooked me instantly, and it does a good mixture of consistent logic, fun twists, and neat ideas.
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Yeah when it was new we were talking about it a lot in this thread. I thought it was really charming despite some flaws and it'll probably go on my personal GOTY top ten, though one of the lower ones.
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flavor.flv posted:I'm right I’ll bite, what did you dislike about it
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Dr. Cool Aids posted:good grief
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Which game does have the worst overall story in the series? Numerically speaking, one of them has to be the worst, even if it's still an 8/10 or whatever. Justice For All is the easy answer, but it's really just case 3 (and a little of case 1) holding it down; case 2 was extremely important for the entire franchise's lore and setting, and case 4 was one of the best ever. I could also see the argument that SoJ was the weakest of them all, not to say that it's "bad".
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Oct 9, 2023 11:48
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It has to be 5, 6 builds towards a satisfying resolution both for the game and Apollo, AA5 is just kind of bleh. Honourable mention to 4 for being a little incoherent but Kristoph is just such a solid villain and drat if I wasn’t vibing with the game the entire time
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This is of course if we leave out Layton v. Wright because good lord who approved that draft
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Layton v Wright was an alright game. Shame it never got a conclusion and that it just stopped on case 4, that was weird and unfulfilling. And I feel like I'm the only person that liked 5 
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I'm gonna say 3 off the top of my head. I remember the first case with Mia defending Nick and the last case with Nick defending Iris, but the middle of the game is just kinda an uninteresting blur. I think you defend Maggey again in one of the cases, but I don't even remember the defendant or victim of the other. 3-4 and 3-5 do at least manage to tie off the arc from the original trilogy in a satisfying manner, though even then they're not as great as the final cases from the previous games. 2 at least was full of cases I remember, and yeah 2-4 is up there with 1-4 as one of the best cases in the series. I suppose 5 does get kinda broken record with its "dark age of the law" bs though. Come to think of it, is Apollo the only member of the Wright Anything Agency who hasn't been accused of murder yet?
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dual destinies is the worst by far. writing, music, art style. it stinks!
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Commander Keene posted:Come to think of it, is Apollo the only member of the Wright Anything Agency who hasn't been accused of murder yet? Well, Gumshoe did (very temporarily) join them and he has never been accused so far...
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I just realized with this Apollo collection, they basically have to give us new games at this point. Like the last potential trilogy they could do is AA:Investigations 1/2 (2 being new to us in general) and maybe Wright VS Layton. Or finally give us AA7.
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Specifically for story I would have to go for 5 too. There's a lot to like about the game, some great characters and some interesting ideas, but storywise it just falls flat - unfocused and meandering. Even for the DLC case, which is full of amazing stuff, the story is not its strong suit. Compare to 4, which fumbles the ball in so many ways but still has a really interesting story at the center of it all - even if its delivery of the story collapses at the end.
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NRVNQSR posted:Specifically for story I would have to go for 5 too. There's a lot to like about the game, some great characters and some interesting ideas, but storywise it just falls flat - unfocused and meandering. Even for the DLC case, which is full of amazing stuff, the story is not its strong suit. Yeah this is how I feel. 4 is my least favorite because it has the fewest cases I actually enjoy, but 5 definitely has the weakest overall story.
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Was 5 where you defended a killer whale for the DLC? Don't think you're allowed to put that game on the bottom for that alone.
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Tesseraction posted:Was 5 where you defended a killer whale for the DLC? Don't think you're allowed to put that game on the bottom for that alone. Yes and the best prosecutor Simon Blackquill. I would still put it at the bottom for 5-3 and just how the game decides "The Dark Age of Law" is over.
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5 had the orca case and the twisted samurai, and both of those were heck of good, yes. Still the weakest story by a long shot.ApplesandOranges posted:Well, Gumshoe did (very temporarily) join them and he has never been accused so far... He's never been arrested, but he did get accused in Investigations.
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5 has the worst story because the Phantom loving blows as a villain
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It's fun unmasking them though 
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No it's not! Hey you know this new character? Well, you never actually knew them at all, they were actually this person the whole time who is even LESS of a character than the person you thought they were!
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TheKingofSprings posted:I’ll bite, what did you dislike about it Switching between japanifornia and khura'in never really let me get invested in either setting, the story was just overwrought melodrama, we already gave Apollo's story a satisfying conclusion in DD so that wasn't particularly satisfying, and the worst sin of all, the prosecutor wasn't fun The new gimmick was neat
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flavor.flv posted:we already gave Apollo's story a satisfying conclusion in DD Did we, tho
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SoJ also had a weird structure to it where even in the episodes that lasted the full two days, you were never actually focused on a particular case for more than a day, so you were always dealing with three characters at a time, in order, the defendant, the witness that didn't do it, and the witness that did it. I know Ace Attorney tends to focus more on the howdunit than the whodunit, but sometimes it's nice to have that be a mystery too!
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The scene at the end of SoJ where Inga shoots Dhurke a bunch of times and Dhurke just stares him down so badly that Inga gives up and runs away was pretty badass.
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SoJ is definitely the better of the Yamazaki main games though, but can't hold a candle to Takumi at his best.
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Waffleman_ posted:5 has the worst story because the Phantom loving blows as a villain Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. I didn't particularly care for SoJ's villain, either, but its finale had a lot of other poo poo going for it, while DD just ends up serving you a re-retread of 1-4.
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I'd go with AJ personally. The finale is a real anticlimax and case 3 sucks even by AA case 3 standards. Like maybe 2-3 was more tedious but it at least had a pretty interesting solution, while 4-3 amounts to a series of events that mostly happen for no reason.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I'd go with AJ personally. The finale is a real anticlimax and case 3 sucks even by AA standards. Like maybe 2-3 was more tedious but it at least had a pretty interesting solution, while 4-3 amounts to a series of events that mostly happen for no reason. "Hey Trucy let's leave the body that Ema asked us to watch over. I'm sure everything will be okay."
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I feel like the Apollo villains just aren't very good. The Phoenix side has probably lower lows but I think the average villain quality is better than the Apollo side of things. GAA's villains are kinda in the middle.
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I thought the villains of the third case for both GAA games were absolutely stellar.
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