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neutral milf hotel posted:OP consider submitting your bird sighting to nuforc This! They even support video now, so you can have it somewhere more permanent than Imgur
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Oct 8, 2023 14:43
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And then someday in the future some future WEH (or possibly WEHbot) will find it and show it to Bird Thread 3000!
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Oct 8, 2023 14:49
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this thread is cool lol
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Oct 8, 2023 16:21
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Riot Bimbo posted:this thread is cool lol
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Oct 8, 2023 17:01
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ain’t that the truth. much love thread
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Oct 8, 2023 17:03
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Zodium posted:it's pretty cool. feels like forgetting who you are and just being no one for a while until you remember you're you. a dead man tries to die sounds like a fable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdhuYL_KKKY The Saucer Hovers has issued a correction as of 17:41 on Oct 8, 2023 |
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Oct 8, 2023 17:34
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my homie saw a UAP on his homebrew satellite gear and went through an analysis process: https://youtu.be/ChwmGmICQuU?si=VJtpeCsKssgw4iM1 pretty neat stuff if you wanna spin up your own birb watchin op.
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Oct 8, 2023 17:51
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Source4Leko posted:https://imgur.com/a/9R2K5Vk obvious migrating bird / balloon / sky trash 
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Oct 8, 2023 17:56
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neutral milf hotel posted:OP consider submitting your bird sighting to nuforc Yea im gonna do this ty for the reminder.
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Oct 8, 2023 19:01
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SniperWoreConverse posted:obvious migrating bird / balloon / sky trash whichever of the above, but with swamp gas bloat
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Oct 8, 2023 19:52
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The Saucer Hovers posted:a dead man tries to die sounds like a fable stanton's right back when i was young and cool i found it easier to do ego death by consciously trying to be a person until i got the yips rather than trying to kill my ego, and i learned that being me isn't very important to me. it's neat.
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Oct 8, 2023 20:14
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ego death is old hat, id death is the new coolness
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Oct 8, 2023 20:21
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dont do superego death tho that turns u into a capitalist
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Oct 8, 2023 20:21
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Souldeath is worse; where an archon that's taken you captive and convinced you to go along with it snatches your divine spark away and reshapes your mind into lightless, fixed machinery, capable only of little more than what you've been shaped to do; to kill; to herald; to putter about uselessly but amusingly to your cruel master But yeah superego death is pretty unwise Ego death is like maybe good like maybe you had an ego structure that helped you more than harmed you; if so getting rid of it for something random is gonna be a step backwards lol In short the ways your mind and soul can be shaped are myriad and a land of contrasts.
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Oct 8, 2023 22:12
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blatman posted:i would like a reading from your grandpa's old creepy book please Bilirubin posted:Same, question is in my mind right now D-Pad posted:Gimme that Nag Riot Bimbo posted:nag hammadi codicies, either Gospel of Thomas, apocryphon of john, or tripartate tractate plz LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Shark, if I might be a little greedy, I asked for The Sixth Patriarch because I am currently reading the Nag Hammadi myself so was interested in borrowing a lens from one of the books I would not myself be reading. However I just came across a portion of the Nag that is speaking strongly to me and would be no light matter to take what I am hearing from it seriously. If you are not tired of bibliomancy when you finish getting through requests, would you mind doing one additional divination for me from your copy of the Nag Hammadi Scriptures? If you end up at the same page I am evaluating, well, the odds of that are vanishingly small and I would find that significant. Rickshaw posted:hello requesting nag hammadi please Chewbecca posted:May I have the The Sixth Patriarch Platform Sutra please The Demilich posted:Hard....... HARD disagree. Totally got distracted by shiny things this weekend lol, will do these when I go downstairs at some point.
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Oct 9, 2023 01:48
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Source4Leko posted:https://imgur.com/a/9R2K5Vk Not to change the current subject, but are there any details that weren't captured adequately by the camera that are particularly bizarre?
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Oct 9, 2023 02:05
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Ooh, good question. Also sharknado, since it's ambiguous in the quote collection post I want to put it on record that Bilirubin was saying "same" to The Sixth Patriarch Platform Sutra 
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Oct 9, 2023 02:27
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Ooh, good question. Gotcha People are birdpilling the Bing AI, this is a fun throwback to old pre-internet era conspiracy theories from something called the Guardian Image Reddit posted:I just downloaded the image using the Reddit app, put it into the Bing AI image analyzer app and got this: sharknado slashfic has issued a correction as of 03:47 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Oct 9, 2023 03:45
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Nichael posted:Not to change the current subject, but are there any details that weren't captured adequately by the camera that are particularly bizarre? It moved really fast, hovered, and was very small.
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Oct 9, 2023 04:31
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Chewbecca posted:May I have the The Sixth Patriarch Platform Sutra please Chapter 3 - "Magistrate, if the person of the East merely purifies his mind, he is without offense. Even though one may be of the West, if his mind is impure he is at fault. The person of the East commits offenses and recites the Buddha's name, seeking rebirth in the west. When the person of the West commits offenses and recites the Buddha's name, in what country does he seek rebirth?" This one is related to Amitabha's Western Pure Land, Sukhavati. Amitabha's 18th vow: "If, when I attain Buddhahood, sentient beings in the lands of the ten directions who sincerely and joyfully entrust themselves to me, desire to be born in my land, and call my Name, even ten times, should not be born there, may I not attain perfect Enlightenment. Excluded, however, are those who commit the five gravest offences and abuse the right Dharma." This is the basis of the Pure Land school of Buddhism (Side note, I have an Amitabha statue in my living room that I say Namo Amituofo ((roughly Homage to Amitabha))to whenever I enter and exit the room) Bilirubin posted:Same, question is in my mind right now "Within yourself, regulate your mind and nature; outside yourself, respect others. That is to take refuge within yourself." D-Pad posted:Gimme that Nag You got the Communal Hymn to Barbelo which is way too long to transcribe, it's from the Three Steles of Seth and here's the wikipedia entry lol "Praise of the Barbelo takes on the voice of both Geradamas and Seth who are jointly praising Barbelo since this is ultimately where they derive from and where they reside in their spiritual archetype forms. Up until this point the Barbelo aeon is spoken of as being constructed of three distinctive realms, but in line 19 the author refers to the Barbelo as having been divided into “The quintet”, referring to The Apocryphon of John model of Barbelo. The following line even mentions that Barbelo has been given to them in “Triple powerfulness”, indicating the two structures given are not necessarily mutually exclusive. The hymn continues to praise Barbelo as emanating from the superior realm and for the sake of the inferior realm in which we live, Barbelo resides in between our realm and the Invisible Parent. The rest of the hymn continues the trend of praising the Barbelo as perfect and immanent. " Riot Bimbo posted:nag hammadi codicies, either Gospel of Thomas, apocryphon of john, or tripartate tractate plz Thomas - "Jesus said 'A person can not mount two horses or bend two bows" LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Shark, if I might be a little greedy, I asked for The Sixth Patriarch because I am currently reading the Nag Hammadi myself so was interested in borrowing a lens from one of the books I would not myself be reading. However I just came across a portion of the Nag that is speaking strongly to me and would be no light matter to take what I am hearing from it seriously. If you are not tired of bibliomancy when you finish getting through requests, would you mind doing one additional divination for me from your copy of the Nag Hammadi Scriptures? If you end up at the same page I am evaluating, well, the odds of that are vanishingly small and I would find that significant. Sixth, Ch 7 - "Supreme, great Nirvana is bright, Perfect, permanent, still and shining, Deluded common people call it death, Other teachings hold it to be annihilation" This is the beginning of a larger verse. Nag Hammadi, On the Origin of the World - "Yaldabaoth's feminine name is forethought Sambathas, which designates the week." Not sure how helpful that is lol. Getting long so I'm gonna hit post sharknado slashfic has issued a correction as of 09:03 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Oct 9, 2023 09:01
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blatman posted:i would like a reading from your grandpa's old creepy book please Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry Prepared for the Supreme Council of the Thirty-Third Degree (Mother Council of the World) for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States and Published By Its Authority, House of the Temple, Washington DC, 1966 - "Before the world grew old, the primitive Truth faded out from men's Souls. Then man asked himself, 'What am I? and how and whence am I? and wither do I go?' And the soul, looking inward upon itself, strove to learn whether that "I" were mere matter; its thought and reason and its passions and affectations mere results of material combination; or a material Being enveloping an immaterial Spirit;" Rickshaw posted:hello requesting nag hammadi please The Dialogue of the Savior, very beginning - "The Savior said to his disciples, "Now the time has come brothers and sisters, for us to leave our labor behind and stand at rest, for whoever stands at rest will rest forever. I say to you, always rise above...time...[I say] to you,...[do not] be afraid of [those]...you. I [say to] you, anger is frightening [and whoever] stirs up anger is a [frightening person]. But since you have [been able to endure], it may come from you..." The Demilich posted:Hard....... HARD disagree. The Second Discourse of Great Seth - "This is in fatherhood, motherhood, brotherhood of the word, and wisdom. This is a wedding of truth, incorruptible rest, in a spirit of truth, in every mind, perfect light in unnamed mystery." Apparently Jesus wants yall to take a rest Sixth - "With feeling comes the planting of the seed. Because of the ground, the fruit is born again. Without feeling there is no seed at all. Without that nature there is no birth either." Ok I think that's everyone
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Oct 9, 2023 09:22
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sharknado slashfic posted:
uh, alarmingly so, lol. I am not going to go into the weeds with how exactly this fits into the big picture I have been trying to pull into focus but I was looking at the bottom of page 204 of my copy -- the part about a name for Yaldabaoth being "like a lion." You picked a different name for Yaldabaoth at the very top of page 205.   Thank you friend Will be checking out the full content of the Sixth Patriarch verse when I have another spare minute!
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Oct 9, 2023 12:29
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Is it possible that we, as individuals, are at a lower level of complexity than other intelligent life in our cosmic neighborhood? Perhaps the AI alignment problem is actually a human alignment problem, and the whole we are a part of is not yet fully formed. Perhaps through AGI we'll discover a greater collective identity. There must be some science fiction out there that has glimpsed a similar arrangement.
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Oct 9, 2023 13:56
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what is the AI alignment problem
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Oct 9, 2023 14:13
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euphronius posted:what is the AI alignment problem There's the fear that AI might lie, manipulate, or allow itself internally to be governed by morals found objectionable. Which is, of course, all relative to who/what is trying to enforce that alignment and their perspective. Carp has issued a correction as of 14:49 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Oct 9, 2023 14:35
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Carp posted:There's the fear that AI might lie, manipulate, or allow itself internally to be governed by morals found objectionable. Which is, of course, all relative to the perspective of who/what is trying to enforce that alignment. that's related, but the crux of it is whether the ai and it's 'goals' for lack of a better word, match those of the person employing it
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Oct 9, 2023 14:48
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mediaphage posted:that's related, but the crux of it is whether the ai and it's 'goals' for lack of a better word, match those of the person employing it I'm not sure that aligning at the personal level is the right approach, but maybe it is correct to start there. There has been talk of democratizing AI. Meh. Ironically, my focus on making AI universal or common might be ego-driven. :)
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Oct 9, 2023 14:55
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Carp posted:I'm not sure that aligning at the personal level is the right approach, but maybe it is correct to start there. There has been talk of democratizing AI. Meh. Ironically, my focus on making AI universal or common might be ego-driven. it's not about something at a personal level. the person above could be employing it in an app for a corporation, whatever. it's just about whether the ai is doing what we expect it to do and whether we understand what's going on. it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether it's being false or manipulative, or whatever. like, we can ask a model a question and tell it to give us the optimal solution for a problem. and it might even do that well most of the time - but we can't at the moment know whether it's actually doing that, or optimizing for something completely different that just happens to give us the answers we want at the moment, etc. to the extent that a model understands anything, or has intention, it might be 'trying' to do what we ask but finds connections we don't understand.
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Oct 9, 2023 15:10
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mediaphage posted:it's not about something at a personal level. the person above could be employing it in an app for a corporation, whatever. it's just about whether the ai is doing what we expect it to do and whether we understand what's going on. I think that is a different problem having to do with what they call hallucinations, which grow from gaps/inconsistency in the training data, in my opinion. Carp has issued a correction as of 15:22 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Oct 9, 2023 15:19
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Carp posted:I think that is a different problem having to do with what they call hallucinations, which grow from gaps/inconsistency in the data, in my opinion. not necessarily. a hallucination tends to be when the model coughs up something that isn't accurate (which is potentially but not necessarily related to the quality of the data) - but that's different to when it might be following a different set of connections that lead to the answer it gives you (which may not be objectively wrong, just optimizing along pathways that human brains can't pick up on - and that might give you the answer you want some of the time but not all the time). anyway alignment covers a lot of different situations - again, my point is that it doesn't necessarily have to have this sense of intent behind it
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Oct 9, 2023 15:25
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you can talk about alignment in terms of deployment of models at the individual/organization level, where it's more about whether an AI is "aligned" to its intended narrowly focused goals, but 'The Alignment Problem' is more generally about the ongoing (and ever increasing) risks of creating AI that does not have humanity's best interests in mind. the toy example is the Paperclip Maximizer, where an AI is tasked with creating paperclips as quickly and efficiently as possible, and it goes on to requisition all matter and energy in the solar system toward achieving this end. it's "successful" in that it achieves its stated purpose perfectly, but it's "unaligned" in that a truly intelligent agent would understand that perfectly optimizing toward this goal conflicts with the continued prosperity of humanity.
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Oct 9, 2023 15:29
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Ben Nerevarine posted:you can talk about alignment in terms of deployment of models at the individual/organization level, where it's more about whether an AI is "aligned" to its intended narrowly focused goals, but 'The Alignment Problem' is more generally about the ongoing (and ever increasing) risks of creating AI that does not have humanity's best interests in mind. the toy example is the Paperclip Maximizer, where an AI is tasked with creating paperclips as quickly and efficiently as possible, and it goes on to requisition all matter and energy in the solar system toward achieving this end. it's "successful" in that it achieves its stated purpose perfectly, but it's "unaligned" in that a truly intelligent agent would understand that perfectly optimizing toward this goal conflicts with the continued prosperity of humanity. i would argue that the problems are identical, you're just talking about differences of scale
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Oct 9, 2023 15:30
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mediaphage posted:i would argue that the problems are identical, you're just talking about differences of scale yeah that’s fair. but I think applying it to very narrowly focused, present day models—marketing chat bots, for instance—risks losing the forest for the trees, when the risks are so much greater when it comes to unaligned superhuman-level intelligence (which we’re sure to see this century and probably this decade) Ben Nerevarine has issued a correction as of 15:38 on Oct 9, 2023 |
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Oct 9, 2023 15:36
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Ben Nerevarine posted:yeah that’s fair. but I think applying it to very narrowly focused, present day models—marketing chat bots, for instance—risks losing the forests the trees, when the risks are so much greater when it comes to unaligned superhuman-level intelligence (which we’re sure to see this century and probably this decade) perhaps, but the problem exists now and it's only by understanding and applying potential solutions to current models (i would argue chatGPT and related are more than marketing chat bots, but obviously not intelligences) that we have any hope of understanding and applying solutions to future models
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Oct 9, 2023 15:39
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mediaphage posted:perhaps, but the problem exists now and it's only by understanding and applying potential solutions to current models (i would argue chatGPT and related are more than marketing chat bots, but obviously not intelligences) that we have any hope of understanding and applying solutions to future models oh absolutely. and it’s been heartening to see alignment become something of an actual field of research with the advent of LLMs. it existed previously to some extent, but without actual models to test theories against it was all necessarily theoretical
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Oct 9, 2023 15:43
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My ultimate point was, maybe the birds are looking for smart Gaia.
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Oct 9, 2023 15:45
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sharknado slashfic posted:"Within yourself, regulate your mind and nature; outside yourself, respect others. That is to take refuge within yourself." drat. Perfect!
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Oct 9, 2023 16:15
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Carp posted:Is it possible that we, as individuals, are at a lower level of complexity than other intelligent life in our cosmic neighborhood? Perhaps the AI alignment problem is actually a human alignment problem, and the whole we are a part of is not yet fully formed. Perhaps through AGI we'll discover a greater collective identity. There must be some science fiction out there that has glimpsed a similar arrangement. This is the overarching plot in Gibson's Neuromancer trilogy, op. He was there back when it sounded plausible for a thief to live for a couple months off of fencing a few MB of RAM. The AI alignment problem is 90% paperclips-qua-basilisks nonsense, 5% about humanity needing a good hard look in the collective mirror over why human generated training data leads to psychopathic-seeming optimization and output behaviors, and 5% Principal-Agent dilemmas that won the swedish bank fake Nobel prize in economics almost 100 years ago.
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Oct 9, 2023 16:26
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And lmao forever at AGI.
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getting a "you can't serve two masters" message right now is annoying in that I didn't need to be reminded. but also it's very on point so gently caress you (thank you)
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