i say swears online posted:

is the first hezbollah or hamas

Popy posted:

i support our brave and probably really young hamas freedom fighters

fanfic insert posted:

Oh poo poo Hezbollah is in Israel? I just woke up didn't know. I guess IDF is 3rd then

OctaMurk posted:

multiple of the recently announced kia are from israeli special forces units, including a major from the sayeret matkal deltaforce equivalent

i say swears online posted:

panic! at the apartheid vigil

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/10/dozens-injured-after-stampede-at-university-of-florida-vigil-for-israel-00120867

OctaMurk posted:

IDF toll passes 170, excluding the 40ish police

Lpzie posted:

special, huh....

Lpzie posted:

special, huh....

smarxist posted:

heh. *pulls rip chord on paraglider engine*

Al! posted:

gradenko_2000 posted:

Will Stancil keeps posting about "nothing can justify the massacre of women and children and leftists are bad for making excuses for it" and it's not even fun to dunk on or get mad at because it's nothing but the pure tedium of Not Getting It.

RadiRoot posted:

wheres this from?

The Oldest Man posted:

look as long you can't justify what the bad guys did, you can justify anything the good guys do

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/ItsBCJim/status/1711970546794303796?t=sk5Uh2IWOL79yi9dmExqdg&s=19

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/ItsBCJim/status/1711970546794303796?t=sk5Uh2IWOL79yi9dmExqdg&s=19

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/ItsBCJim/status/1711970546794303796?t=sk5Uh2IWOL79yi9dmExqdg&s=19

DancingShade posted:

Remembering things is thought crime, citizen.

smarxist posted:

heh. *pulls rip chord on paraglider engine*

OctaMurk posted:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-names-another-14-slain-soldiers-bringing-military-death-toll-to-170/

Weka posted:

I always wanted to set up an engine as an instrument

OctaMurk posted:

Whatd it say lol

OctaMurk posted:

Whatd it say lol

quote:

Yaroslav Hunka: I never thought I'd get a standing ovation for my ethnic cleansing in the 1940s side by side with a zhid

Ezra Yachin: What about side by side with a friend?

Frosted Flake posted:

There was a brilliant and well received book recently about how the Roman and Sassanian use of the Arabs in their proxy wars more-or-less created Islam and a common "Arab/Islamic" identity, from what had been scattered tribes. This mirrors events in Europe with the Saxons and Goths among others but "for some reason" the Arabs are left out of this while it became a cornerstone of English, French, German and Italian nationalism in the 19th century.

Essentially, the inflows of money and creation of organizational structures that came from continuous military employment created a very strong, capable group from scattered people, that began to identify as such. You can think of this as mirroring "hydraulic" civilizations, where the need to work collectively to manage the flooding of the nile and planting of crops created wealth, organization and identity among those who participated. The same would apply to rice cultivation and the great rivers of Asia. In this case, it was a veritable river of silver flowing from the two rival empires that everyone organized around.

Negotiating with the empires created something like collective bargaining, and a keen awareness that while "they" were unified, "we" were divided and could be undercut. This was even more apparent because some Arab tribes were employed by the Arabs and some by the Persians on opposing sides of their various wars. Furthermore, and this is the crux of it, Arabia was divided along religious lines also, with Christianization penetrating unevenly and not really meeting the societal need at the historical moment. Paganism was divisive because of local and tribal gods, it was impossible to create a consensus. Zoroastrianism was tied to practices firmly fixed at certain sites outside Arabia and so was inaccessible. Judaism had made inroads on both sides of the Red Sea, but was non-evangelizing and had a few other problems that I can't recall at the moment that prevented it from being a unifying ideology.

That's the important thing, and why some argue that the Arabs did not "just" convert like the Franks, Bulgars, Magyars and Saxons. Why would this "barbarian" confederation that became stronger and stronger through Roman employment until eventually sweeping in Roman lands not adopt Christianity? Well, some historians believe they wouldn't be able to when you look at what was happening in the region.

See, the Arabs were looking for a unifying ideology, but Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean was bitterly divided into competing orthodoxies and heresies that fought wars as frequently and as bitterly as those between Roman and Persian. To an outsider looking in, even if they liked some of what they saw, how could they agree on what to convert to? Iconoclasm or Iconodulism? Monophysitism or Miaphysitism (or neither!)? They needed a simple belief that could unite all of the people together as an Ummah.

I testify that there is no deity but God, and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God.

Pre-Islamic Arabia: Societies, Politics, Cults and Identities during Late Antiquity

This book delves into the political and cultural developments of pre-Islamic Arabia, focusing on the religious attitudes of the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula and its northern extension into the Syrian desert. Between the third and the seventh century, Arabia was on the edge of three great empires (Iran, Rome and Aksūm) and at the centre of a lucrative network of trade routes. Valentina Grasso offers an interpretative framework which contextualizes the choice of Arabian elites to become Jewish sympathisers and/or convert to Christianity and Islam by probing the mobilization of faith in the shaping of Arabian identities. For the first time the Arabians of the period are granted autonomy from marginalizing (mostly Western) narratives framing them as 'barbarians' inhabiting the fringes of Rome and Iran and/or deterministic analyses in which they are depicted retrospectively as exemplified by the Muslims' definition of the period as Jāhilīyah, 'ignorance'.

RadiRoot posted:

i was expecting it to be more.

gradenko_2000 posted: