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leper khan posted:The wheel of time turns and ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again. In one age, known as the third age by some -- and age yet to come; an age long past -- Disney is thinking about buying game studios instead of just licensing their IP. This would be the fourth cycle of starting in-house development, right? If they were to buy Double Fine, would they release a game before this cycle flips to shutting down the studios, I wonder...
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Disney Infinity was canned many many years before baby Yoda was a thing. Edit: Here's this 2016 article for anyone who hasn't read it yet: https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2016/8/18/12514296/disney-game-industry-history
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Modern Video Games posted:I am an actual certified administrator of Sun Solaris 9 - used to do work on those old boxes back in the day. Have not had a reason to touch it for ten years though. Hah! I made a lot of money selling IBM hardware into Sun customers after Sun was acquired by Oracle. Said customers wanted to stay on a UNIX variant, but were determined to never give a dime to Larry Ellison. The only other viable options were HP-UX which was already one foot in the grave, and AIX - which is probably the dominant UNIX variant today (unless you count Linux, but that's FOSS and isn't comparable IMO).
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Oct 11, 2023 16:57
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Zamujasa posted:I find the idea that "breaking compatibility for a desktop OS is good" very strange, coming from a games forum in which many people regularly play games that were released 30+ years ago. playing games that were released 30+ years ago is significantly easier on linux or macos w stuff like wine than actually running them on modern versions of windows w/o going thru a vm or something like pcem.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:02
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Isn't Disney also losing a lot of money with Disney+ because they couldn't accept some of the money from Netflix when they could (in their dreams) have all the money by doing it themselves?
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Oct 11, 2023 17:04
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mutata posted:Disney Infinity was canned many many years before baby Yoda was a thing. Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant that toys in general were not being planned to be made for baby yoda until after the popularity of both the show/character were seen. Looked around to actually see what I remembering and was thinking specifically of a quote from John Favreau saying the toys were delayed after all the other toys were out and I misremembered that they weren't planned at all. Anyway, to get it back to games, I think that Disney could have turned late stage Lucas Arts Games into something really special again and while I think EA has done nothing great with the license in the way the old games were, Disney will also not do well with any of their property's games.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:07
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Mr E posted:Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant that toys in general were not being planned to be made for baby yoda until after the popularity of both the show/character were seen. Looked around to actually see what I remembering and was thinking specifically of a quote from John Favreau saying the toys were delayed after all the other toys were out and I misremembered that they weren't planned at all. Ah, right, that. Gotcha. Also, yes, EA has made bad Star Wars games, again because Disney doesn't understand games and it, as an organization, does not think video games are good or valuable like movies. They also cannot be artistic like movies can be. They are not a place for creation or anything other than playing through sterilized, compartmentalized, easily forgotten, non threatening, inconsequential, story tropes with swap in/swap out bland characters. Video games to Disney are the exact same as movie trailers. They will NEVER be comfortable with giving them actual production budgets and they will never have creative support, let alone control. mutata fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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Oct 11, 2023 17:18
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Zamujasa posted:There are a handful of games I have on my old iPhone that I simply can't play any more because they were 32 bit apps and the developer is gone. this is going to happen on android now too btw. they cant just keep holding back chips forever and refusing to ever make them fully 64bit so 10 people can play 2 games once every 5 years.
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Oct 11, 2023 17:24
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Bring back Mr.Aaah.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfZwMGs3Kc
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i know it's more a 90s/00s thing but there was a period where it was an axiom that Star Wars games were great and Star Trek games were awful, and it was 99% because LucasArts was one of the best development studios on earth during that time mutata posted:Also, yes, EA has made bad Star Wars games, again because Disney doesn't understand games and it, as an organization, does not think video games are good or valuable like movies. quote:Video games to Disney are the exact same as movie trailers. They will NEVER be comfortable with giving them actual production budgets and they will never have creative support, let alone control. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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Oct 11, 2023 17:53
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:People have stopped going to see every new MCU movie. Spider-Man is the only series that's still got any sort of life left in it, and a big amount of credit on that is due to the fantastic Sony animated films. I feel like this needs to be framed in context. These films are not doing as well as they could be but 'nobody is seeing them' isn't accurate. The only Marvel movie to not be in the top 10 grossing movies that year was Eternals which is 11th. Quantumania might be the second. For all that people are fatigued of them and they're not doing as well as they used to they are still among the most viewed things in the world. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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Oct 11, 2023 18:07
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Stux posted:this is going to happen on android now too btw. they cant just keep holding back chips forever and refusing to ever make them fully 64bit so 10 people can play 2 games once every 5 years. This already happens on android. Maybe not the specific 32 to 64 issues but system API changes or whatever mean a bunch of old games stop working in new OS versions. I bought the humble android bundles back in the day and lots of those games won't launch properly on my phone any more. Ofc for non drm-free games they just get delisted from the app store and are never seen again so you can't even try to install them.
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Oct 11, 2023 18:13
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OneEightHundred posted:... but MVC Infinite shows all the signs of being bludgeoned into being a promo vehicle for the MCU Phase 3 storyline, so yeah. The moment it was clear there were going to be no X-Men or Fantastic Four characters in the roster thanks to Ike Perlmutter's "gently caress characters we don't have the film rights to" policy, that game was doomed.
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Oct 11, 2023 18:40
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I'm not sure if it ever got fixed in patches but MVCI at launch just looked so... bad. The models were bad, the backgrounds were bad, the UI and fonts were bad. And it's got a smaller roster with the Marvel side filled with movie characters.
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Oct 11, 2023 19:00
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AceOfFlames posted:The moment it was clear there were going to be no X-Men or Fantastic Four characters in the roster thanks to Ike Perlmutter's "gently caress characters we don't have the film rights to" policy, that game was doomed. To be fair at least some of that was on Capcom's awful marketing. I think people would have been a lot more forgiving of "Yeah, sorry, we can't use those characters" but the view people had of Capcom's response was kind of framed by the "all characters are just like, FUNCTIONS man," which is one of those tone-deaf statements that poisoned the well in a lot of ways.
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Oct 11, 2023 19:08
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MvCI's roster was 90% reused from MvC3 too. Like Bionic Commando Reboot Man being there was fine in mvc3 since his game came out relatively recently but why on earth was he in infinite. Combine that with so many of the x-men and fantastic four characters being cut and it just felt stripped back from MvC3, not a new game. If it had a bunch of new characters and exciting picks people'd have been more forgiving. Before DLC the only characters in MVCI that weren't in 3 were Captain Marvel Gamora Ultron Jedah Megaman X Endorph fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Oct 11, 2023 |
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Oct 11, 2023 19:42
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I think the Infinite Dante is a guy who owes me money, but there's a chance he's already been found dead in an alley somewhere.
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Oct 11, 2023 20:02
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Yeah, MVCI seems to have been made on a shoestring budget and it shows
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I think the Infinite Dante is a guy who owes me money, but there's a chance he's already been found dead in an alley somewhere. One underreported detail is that even though Capcom made a big public show of fixing the models, the ingame menus all still used the original models. So you still got really rough looking Dante at character select.  And lord help you if you played one of the characters nobody really cares about like Chris or Spencer.
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MvCI Penance Stare was a crime against humanity I will never forgive.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Disney has a history of just being really bad with video games, see their Skylanders riff with Disney Infinity being poorly managed even by the standards of the toys-to-life fad. And I think they tend to blame failures on the studios doing what they were told to do rather than lovely management, tale as old as time. I think I remember one story about them placing a large order of toys, I can't remember if it was the 2.0 Marvel or 3.0 Star Wars stuff, but like- the guy in charge of it was on vacation so someone else placed the production order... except the guy in charge already placed a production order before he left for vacation, and they ended up paying double and being unable to sell all of it.
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Revitalized posted:I think I remember one story about them placing a large order of toys, I can't remember if it was the 2.0 Marvel or 3.0 Star Wars stuff, but like- the guy in charge of it was on vacation so someone else placed the production order... except the guy in charge already placed a production order before he left for vacation, and they ended up paying double and being unable to sell all of it. Jeez, hearing this kind of stuff where a tiny fuckup costs an absolute bomb is always crazy. I used to work at a place that was in contact and worked with the place where discs for Xbox One games were pressed and checked, they'd make 10 at first, check a few of them and then once those were OK'd actually make the rest of the run, however many that'd be. They messed up once though, the checks were basically putting the disc in an online console, an offline console on the latest update and then finally on a console that had never been connected to the internet, obviously it had to install correctly in each scenario, in the latter case it was alright if it didn't install as long as it gave you a decent message explaining why and telling you to update the firmware. Unfortunately whoever they had doing that test on the day they made the first 10 discs for the latest incarnation of that popular American football franchise forgot to unplug the middle console from the internet and that pressing of discs didn't actually have the game on them for some reason. Instead they just had the 8kb store kernel that you'd get from a code that just prompted the store to start downloading the game and associated it with your account. The guy did his tests for the middle scenario with the console online, so it all looked fine, like it was installing from the disc and OK'd it so they went ahead with the pressing of blu rays, all 2.5 million of them that couldn't be sold. They weren't very happy.
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mutata posted:Ah, right, that. Gotcha.
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Isn't the story that Disney had some offices in the same building as SE?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:How did Kingdom Hearts sneak through? Kingdom Hearts was literally a "people in the same elevator" pitch. "In an interview with IGN, Nomura revealed that Hashimoto had a chance meeting with a Disney executive in an elevator which allowed him to pitch the idea directly to Disney. The elevator pitch turned into board rooms meetings, NDAs, and contracts, and in February 2000, development for the game finally began with Hashimoto serving as producer and Tetsuya Nomura as director." Straight-up the definition of an elevator pitch.
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Not to mention Disney in the late 90's and early 2000's was a very different company to what it is now.
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Endorph posted:
isn't this based off an italian donald duck comic? even as a kid i thought this poo poo was weird
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Mr. Maltose posted:Not to mention Disney in the late 90's and early 2000's was a very different company to what it is now. Yeah, while there were still reworks and revisions, the basic concept of KH came about by nomura straight up saying he didn't care about what disney had in mind to their face and getting away with it (from the KH3D Iwata Asks) https://imgur.com/c5uUqz0
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Motto posted:Yeah, while there were still reworks and revisions, the basic concept of KH came about by nomura straight up saying he didn't care about what disney had in mind to their face and getting away with it Man, just trying to imagine anyone going to Disney "No, that sucks, here is my anime boy with a chainsaw" these days
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KH was created when Disney was thinking "it is cool to license our stuff out because it brings us in money and boosts our reputation as a culturally-relevant company" i.e. basically the same as the Star Wars strategy, instead of asking questions like "what is our strategic vision for the Donald Duck and Goofy IPs?"
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And if you compare how the Disney ips were used in the older KH games to KH3 there's a clear sense they wanted the newer worlds to be ads to their movies.
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fabiopenz posted:And if you compare how the Disney ips were used in the older KH games to KH3 there's a clear sense they wanted the newer worlds to be ads to their movies. I mean the second KH game had Chicken loving Little.
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ImpAtom posted:I mean the second KH game had Chicken loving Little. Yeah but there's a difference between a smaller movie getting a nod and the Frozen world being Sora Watches Frozen, right down to completely doing Let It Go while occasionally panning over to Sora for a reaction shot.
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The latest game really emphasized new movies only, yea E: also I remember the original context and pitch for KH being "it's a crossover of Final Fantasy and Disney" and they've dropped the FF characters
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I've always wondered how the voice actors for all the Disney characters feel about KH since 99% of the time you're presumably doing gawrsh hyuk and then once every 4-5 years you read some nonsense about the duality of the soul.
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Kingdom Sharts
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exquisite tea posted:I've always wondered how the voice actors for all the Disney characters feel about KH since 99% of the time you're presumably doing gawrsh hyuk and then once every 4-5 years you read some nonsense about the duality of the soul. I would kill to know what it was like to voice this line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_6mpKet-KI
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:The latest game really emphasized new movies only, yea As someone who never played KH but thought it was neat and unique that you could have an official FFxDisney crossover, why on earth did they do that? lol
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Revitalized posted:As someone who never played KH but thought it was neat and unique that you could have an official FFxDisney crossover, why on earth did they do that? lol They said it was to "focus on the main storyline" but some of the FF characters were pretty major characters in the original game so it's still odd that it dropped off completely. The thing is, people talk about KH's story being nonsense but the original game is the perfect blend of digestible but also having enough intriguing weirdness to be something unique and cool, especially for a younger audience. But that first game, where FF characters were more prominent, actually had a relatively small number of original characters. Aside from the main trio of youths and the major villain and monsters, pretty much every other character is either Final Fantasy or Disney The insanity the series has become known for only really accelerated with the 2nd with the introduction of a very large ensemble of other characters (Organization XIII) So I think it's a few things, lack of development resources, Nomura wanting to focus on his new characters, and Disney wanting to push more recent properties, and they kinda just dropped the Final Fantasy characters out
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