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Anidav posted:What are the odds the polls are wrong and they're herding a cooker heavy sample. I think the odds are very high. I think it's still a bit of a diceroll but I don't think that it's going to be a resounding defeat. The way information flows and people engage with polling are different from what happened in 1999, I've really thought all the noise about how the No vote is getting up from NewCorp was an attempt to normalise the idea of voting no and playing into the Australian kink of wanting to back a winner.
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roy Morgan had a remarkably close margin yesterday with the yes swinging up by 5% from their previous poll fwiw (probably nothing)
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Lil' Johnny Howard said a no vote would also help discourage a republican referendum yesterday so thanks for the Yes boost, Johnny boy
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Lil' Johnny Howard said a no vote would also help discourage a republican referendum yesterday so thanks for the Yes boost, Johnny boy I know this doesn't add much to what you said. But it must be said as often as possible. John Howard is a oval office.
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BrigadierSensible posted:I know this doesn't add much to what you said. But it must be said as often as possible. 
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Oct 11, 2023 01:23
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I'm ready for a 40/60 blowout defeat. This seems really skewed by age, so I think many supporters are seeing other yes voters more.
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Went to vote today. Lots of yes vote signs. No pamphets were being handed out by a lobster who couldnt even make eye contact.
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Synthbuttrange posted:No pamphets were being handed out by a lobster who couldnt even make eye contact. So what was the lobster even doing then
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Synthbuttrange posted:Went to vote today. Lots of yes vote signs. No pamphets were being handed out by a lobster who couldnt even make eye contact. uh excuse me, my eyes are up *here* *points to excessively long eye stalks*
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Bucky Fullminster posted:So what was the lobster even doing then snapping their claws and making chitinous noises
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I know people who are losing their minds over this. They only watch channels 10, 9 and 7 and don't listen to AM radio or watch Sky, but have become convinced that if 'Yes' wins then Aboriginal peoples will be getting free money, starting government bodies that will cancel everything that benefits old white people and, gently caress I dunno, strutting about like they own the place. Where these ideas are even coming from, gently caress only knows. I can only assume it's from other old people swapping rumours some geriatric nazi gently caress made up while snorting his alzheimer's medicine. But, yeah, snark aside, there really does seem to be an undercurrent of fear in the older people about the 'Yes' vote winning and I just don't know where it's coming from. It's probably like how 95% of Covid misinformation came from just five people running dozens of Facebook and Twitter accounts.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Where these ideas are even coming from, gently caress only knows. I can only assume it's from other old people swapping rumours some geriatric nazi gently caress made up while snorting his alzheimer's medicine. a lot of it is coming from Sky News running stories about The Uluru Statement being 30 pages, not 1, and the 30 pages list how much reparations will be etc
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I know people who are losing their minds over this. They only watch channels 10, 9 and 7 and don't listen to AM radio or watch Sky, but have become convinced that if 'Yes' wins then Aboriginal peoples will be getting free money, starting government bodies that will cancel everything that benefits old white people and, gently caress I dunno, strutting about like they own the place. Feels like a slippery slope but the lack of requirement for the official campaigns to be fact based is a real weakness of the system. Politicians of all stripes decry fake news and misinformation but the entire official No campaign is literally built on lies. It really makes this poo poo so much easier to grab hold when the entire premise of the official No campaign isn't real.
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Amazing that the old whities who get endless free money and strut about like they own the place are scared of non-whites doing the same. It's always projection.
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I blame Midnight Oil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejorQVy3m8E
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Lol, now Lidia Thorpe is supporting a legislated voice and calling Albanese a coward for not committing to defy the referendum vote.
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Captain Theron posted:Lol, now Lidia Thorpe is supporting a legislated voice and calling Albanese a coward for not committing to defy the referendum vote. Lol A complete idiot. So much for the radical progressive no
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-12/lidia-thorpe-backs-indigenous-voice-outside-referendum/102966682quote:Senator Thorpe said she would consider it a victory if the referendum was defeated, and the beginning of a "truth-telling journey". There is an unhelpfully large dollop of the perfect being the enemy of the good here but she's far from being an idiot. https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/lidia-thorpe-on-the-voice-and-treaty/102012582 Take 13 minutes to listen to her reasoning and thoughts.
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Cartoon posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-12/lidia-thorpe-backs-indigenous-voice-outside-referendum/102966682 Yeah, nah. If she honestly expects that a no result is going to lead to better outcomes for indigenous Australians in any way, she's an idiot. And if the Voice is too surface level and inconsequential, then having it only legislated weakens it further. The right will use a no result as a weapon to beat down any and every proposed improvement for years to come, including a legislated Voice, let alone a treaty.
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Hold on there. We don't get to live in a 'what if?' universe. Thorpe (as an indigenous voice) advised not to do it, because of the negative consequences you are now stating quote:The right will use a no result as a weapon to beat down any and every proposed improvement for years to come, including a legislated Voice, let alone a treaty. Now we are in the post 'I told you not to do it because it would be a disaster' world (She [idiotically, apparently] mentions the increase in indigenous suicide rate since the start of the voice campaign) she is asking for a positive response to a negative outcome. I don't think it's a winner but calling her an idiot is both uncalled for and ignores most of what she is saying. Ignoring an indigenous voice? Colour me shocked. Also Cartoon posted:Quick voice referendum report. None of the above is Thorpe's doing. Someone else gets to be the 'idiot' here.
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JBP posted:It's a bit I have been doing for a long time. Look after yourself. What bit?
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Cartoon posted:Hold on there. We don't get to live in a 'what if?' universe. Thorpe (as an indigenous voice) advised not to do it, because of the negative consequences you are now stating I never said she was an idiot for correctly calling out the rise in racism as a result of the referendum, but she is an idiot for thinking that a no result will lead to improvements and campaigning for that outcome. And she's doubling down by now coming out and supporting a legislated voice, which by her own logic won't deliver the outcome she wants. Either a voice is an important measure or it's not, either it needs to come after treaty or it doesn't, you can't have it both ways. I'm not ignoring indigenous voices, I'm listening to them. The Statement from the Heart is a very clear, straightforward and consultative declaration from indigenous Australians that laid out the Voice as a concrete step to improve outcomes. Voting 'progressively' no to that simple request is dumb and I'm not going to pretend it isn't.
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Apparently the latest thing is to put tape on "110" speed limit signs so they say "NO" instead.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Where these ideas are even coming from, gently caress only knows well, btw you guys could have just said "take out the excessive bolding I reckon", but thanks to those who raised it, and you may be pleased to know I went and did that and think it looks a lot more professional, interested to know if it hits your eyes any different
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What has doomed the Yes campaign was the lack of bipartisnship. It was basically going to go down from December 2022 :- https://www.theguardian.com/austral...t-free-exercise Thorpe didn't leave the Greens and come out against the voice until February 2023. Her position has always been as an advocate for a better deal. She may have stayed with the Greens and been a strong proponent for Yes, if Dutton and Co had not sought to leverage the racist fascist arseholes in this country against it. Furthermore if Albanesse had legislated the body first it would have lead to a better chance for the whole campaign. As I have previously stated (and requoted myself just above) the whole issue of who gets to say what about indigenous people within the indigenous groups in Australia is a highly vexed question, as would have been the composition of the legislated voice. Look at the issues in NZ with the interpretation of the Treaty of Waitangi for an insight:- https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/treaty/the-treaty-in-brief The mainstream NO campaign is about indigenous people accepting their lot and assimilating culturally. As a nation we need to do better. Largely because there is realistically around one gerneration left before the fascists have made the question moot.
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The leftists who are arguing for a legislated voice have not been paying attention to the Statement from the Heart. There’s also zero change it’ll get legislated at the federal level if No wins, it’s delulu thinking that any goverment would go against a referendum result. We will prob just have a variety of voices at state levels because that seems easier.
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Cartoon posted:What has doomed the Yes campaign was the lack of bipartisnship. It was basically going to go down from December 2022 :- can you unpack this for me a bit? i might be misreading, but why is Dutton and Co. doing what they normally do an incentive for Lidia to leave, rather than stay and be a proponent for Yes?
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Cartoon posted:What has doomed the Yes campaign was the lack of bipartisnship. It was basically going to go down from December 2022 :- I never thought I'd see old Kamahl (who was going to vote No, then Yes, then No) get dogpiled by Yes voters screaming at him he's a racist, but here we are. The voice is one big depressing mess... The whole world is a one big depressing mess...
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Well this is unusual. An SMS to AEC temporary election workers just went out asking them to watch this video about unpleasant individuals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU26DHoe9I0
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Well this is unusual. An SMS to AEC temporary election workers just went out asking them to watch this video about unpleasant individuals:
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#YouGov Voice to Parliament Yes 38 (=) No 56 (+3) Undecided 6 (-3) Designated as final poll, Oct 6-10
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Win or lose, I just hope they have plenty of Democracy Sausages available this Saturday  (Only us Aussies will get this!)
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Wizard Master posted:Win or lose, I just hope they have plenty of Democracy Sausages available this Saturday That's not the only thing that'll be cooked on saturday.
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Wizard Master posted:Win or lose, I just hope they have plenty of Democracy Sausages available this Saturday I had to explain the concept of the "democracy snag" to my Co-Teacher here in Hokkaido. She seemed impressed.
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I have never had a democracy sausage
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