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I kinda like the mcgriddle sandwiches as an occasional breakfast treat. Other than it being bacon and not sausage, that seems fine.
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Randalor posted:I kinda like the mcgriddle sandwiches as an occasional breakfast treat. Other than it being bacon and not sausage, that seems fine. McGriddles* https://twitter.com/Mill226/status/1712503234823340494 How does this move y'all's priors on the Cornel West run vis a vis it being a grift or not? https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1712561814649888933 Also the also-rans in the GOP primary race are falling over themselves to condemn Trump's comments on Israel. They think that they see weakness on this, my concern is that it leads to half of MAGA becoming virulent anti-semites. It does seem like there's overwhelming public sympathy for Israel nationally and I feel like Trump made a major misstep (even the rally crowd wasn't biting on the Hezbollah is smart, Israel is dumb material), but I don't know how enduring that will be or if Trump can shift his base the other way. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) zoux fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Oct 12, 2023 21:16
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selec posted:I mean not that they’d agree, but the entire foundation of campaign fundraising is corruption to most outsiders who aren’t invested in the legitimacy of the system. It’s a system of buying influence through money. Big PACs and donors know specifically what they hope to get. That all of it has been grandfathered into legality by both parties doesn’t make it not that; it just means you can’t call it that in certain contexts, most importantly contexts where the kayfabe must be upheld. It’s all corruption, though. Nobody with any meaningful power wants publicly funded elections because it would gently caress up the game. Same with most other election reforms; the grift works as it’s supposed to right now. Even if all this was the case and the "entire foundation of campaign fundraising is corruption," paying a restaurant to cater an event would not be an example of such corruption.
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zoux posted:McGriddles* It's a good thing being president doesn't require a lot of time or effort or energy. Likewise for getting 50 state ballot access by your self, the only alternative for an independent to feasibly win. Definitely a serious candidate. What a fraud.
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zoux posted:McGriddles* Every campaign is a grift; as an Iowan I know the economic impact of losing first in the nation status to the consultants, scammers and polling boiler rooms that infested our state for years. So, knowing that, he’s all good for me, can’t complain, says the right things and I’m in Iowa, it’s not like my votes gonna tip it. May have my 24 vote, will have to see if anybody funnier or more inspiring jumps in though.
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Discendo Vox posted:Even if all this was the case and the "entire foundation of campaign fundraising is corruption," paying a restaurant to cater an event would not be an example of such corruption. Who’s paying? What’s the event, and who’s invited? How much are they paying to attend? Because based on those questions, yeah, to me it’s part of the work of corrupting our democracy, a job they’ve done so thoroughly and completely we have voters defending it from outside the grift. They won.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1712561814649888933 lead to becoming virulent anti-semites? that's optimistic on the current makeup of the maga crowd
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:lead to becoming virulent anti-semites? that's optimistic on the current makeup of the maga crowd Yeah pretty sure the venn-diagram of MAGA and antisemitism is a circle.
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selec posted:Who’s paying? What’s the event, and who’s invited? How much are they paying to attend? Because based on those questions, yeah, to me it’s part of the work of corrupting our democracy, a job they’ve done so thoroughly and completely we have voters defending it from outside the grift. They won. The campaign pays for the food, which has to be at standard rates. This isn't complicated. It's subject to reporting requirements, which is the entire reason we have information about it at all. Your other questions have nothing to do with it; you're declaring your conclusion and that facts don't matter.
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Angry_Ed posted:Yeah pretty sure the venn-diagram of MAGA and antisemitism is a circle. I'm not sure, there's a lot of evangelical MAGAs and they have a weird relationship/view of Jewish people. Especially in the South where there aren't many Jews, they're often seen as kind of a interesting novelty (which I guess could be a form of more-or-less benign bigotry, at least compares to how anti-semitism often manifests). I mean they are always talking about our "Judeo-Christian" values and history, Christians generally acknowledge that Jews and Christians worship the same god - an opinion they do not extend to Muslims. Also they are necessary component of evangelical eschatology. Many mainstream interpretations among evangelicals say that the Book of Revelations allows for 144,000 Jews to enter paradise when Christ returns An anecdote that I think clarifies this is, I have one Jewish friend, and she was photographing a wedding a few months ago, it was a huge Christian deal and one of the guests asked her "which Church family do you belong to" and she told me she debated not saying anything revealing, but ended up telling the woman that she was Jewish. My friend was shocked at her reaction, which was one of interest and novelty, (I believe her exact words were "Oooh you are so rare, like a gemstone".) Then I told her that Christians like Jews because they think that the state of Israel must extend to its historical borders in order for Christ to return which astonished her. Anyway, liking Jews because you believe they have to die by the millions at the battle of Armageddon I guess is kind of anti-Semitic, but it's not going to lead to people shooting up synagogues. zoux fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Oct 12, 2023 |
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Discendo Vox posted:The campaign pays for the food, which has to be at standard rates. This isn't complicated. It's subject to reporting requirements, which is the entire reason we have information about it at all. Your other questions have nothing to do with it; you're declaring your conclusion and that facts don't matter. I do have a conclusion, you’re right, but it’s something I’ve come to long before seeing a Republican crow about “the campaign” spending a bunch at a restaurant. We’re never going to agree on whether or not lobbying and the way fundraising is set up is corruption or not; I’d argue that it’s impossible for agreement to happen because we are approaching the world from fundamentally different angles, which can never be reconciled. I’m fine with that, it doesn’t mean that you’re “right” as much as it means we live in different moral universes, and there is basically an unreachable gap: I’m never going to see this amount of money spent on politics as anything but naked corruption, it cannot be other than what it definitionally is, to me. That much money cannot exist in those quantities for the ostensible purpose of getting someone elected without it being underpinned by a substrate of graft and corruption. One proceeds from the other, as sunburn from too much sunshine. The presence of so much money necessitates even more money, it cannot ever end, and that only works out well for people who have that kind of money already: it eliminates the ability of average American preferences to figure in any meaningful way in how our politics shake out at the policy level, ie my old standard refrain: https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...4D4893B382B992B
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zoux posted:I'm not sure, there's a lot of evangelical MAGAs In the South generally Jewish people are seen as "white" these days, and that overrides. Antisemitism is still present but it's a candle only visible when the sun of anti-black racism is in eclipse.
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zoux posted:...my concern is that it leads to half of MAGA becoming virulent anti-semites.
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zoux posted:Then I told her that Christians like Jews because they think that the state of Israel must extend to its historical borders in order for Christ to return which astonished her. This really gets to the heart of it for a lot of right wing religious people in the US. Jews in their view aren't seen as individual people, but rather as a collective line item on the scavenger hunt that needs to be completed before Jesus can return, in order for him to murder billions of people. So, the right wing needs Jews (and Israel) to exist, but only neatly within the box that they place upon them. It's honestly not that dissimilar from the "shut up and dribble" mentality that a lot of these same people have when it comes to sports, insofar as they don't want the non-whites gone (they perceive the sport wouldn't be as fun to watch), but they don't want them to have any expression of individuality or opinions outside of the predetermined narrative.
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single-mode fiber posted:This really gets to the heart of it for a lot of right wing religious people in the US. Jews in their view aren't seen as individual people, but rather as a collective line item on the scavenger hunt that needs to be completed before Jesus can return, in order for him to murder billions of people. So, the right wing needs Jews (and Israel) to exist, but only neatly within the box that they place upon them. It's honestly not that dissimilar from the "shut up and dribble" mentality that a lot of these same people have when it comes to sports, insofar as they don't want the non-whites gone (they perceive the sport wouldn't be as fun to watch), but they don't want them to have any expression of individuality or opinions outside of the predetermined narrative. While that is part of it, you are all thinking a bit too hard on this. Jewish people in the United States (mostly) vote Democratic and the Republicans want to drive any wedge they can in support of the Democratic party.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/MicaSoellnerDC/status/1712464703979479317 Usually I can at least see some sort of insane logic for wanting to be the lord of the ashes. But these are the worst possible ashes to be lord of, and I can't believe that we've got like 3 people fighting each other to replace McCarthy. All while Kevin is bumbling around in the background trying to appear totally above it, constantly repeating the phrase, "Sure, I'll save you guys!" under his breath.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/MicaSoellnerDC/status/1712505885791043667 By including bacon and cheese he can be exclusionary to any muslims, jews or buddhists who might have accidentally joined the Republican party.
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This (free) article is really interesting and worth reading. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...6wXfeRa3qnILqEU If that link doesn't work, try following from here: https://twitter.com/harari_yuval/status/1712181178634011084 quote:Moreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn’t a morality tale. Sounds very familiar. :/
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Ah, so there's some good news this week. Thanks!
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zoux posted:McGriddles* His base will do what they always do and claim he never said that (fake news), attempt to explain why he was right or, probably, just outright ignore it. Given all the RWM talk I've been hearing this week, it's all Biden's fault anyway because something something Iran and that's all the MAGA's really need to know.
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https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1712617344055284119 gently caress me lmao
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1712617344055284119 Chaos reigns! 
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Guess the 10th time Matt Gaetz told him to nut up or shut up he gave up.
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A Jim Jordan speakership will be our Liz Truss era. I don't think he's got the votes though
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Scalise is a real role model: https://twitter.com/ettingermentum/status/1712618555122864425 My prediction at this point is that they somehow keep McHenry on as speaker pro tem and work out a way to resolve the debt ceiling thing before eventually finding a new real speaker.
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smug n stuff posted:Scalise is a real role model: https://twitter.com/ettingermentum/status/1712618555122864425 Yeah I think Bresnahan had something about that, working out a deal to let the government lurch forward under a caretaker O'Henry while this all does whatever it is gonna do
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1712617344055284119 WTF? You should at least try, see if multiple ballots wear down the opposition. That's how these things work. And if you're not gaining, well...things will probably break someone's way eventually. Maybe, Jordan's, maybe a darkhouse. But you have to get out there and have the votes. Multiple votes, every day for a week or two and they will start to shift in favor of someone. And if they can't, like it's 1855, then you will at least have proof, instead of just throwing up your hands in the air and giving up before you begin
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https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1712620687653781979 Not making a play, besides authorizing surrogates to leak that oh, if he HAS to he GUESSES he'll be speaker again
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1712617344055284119 Wow. He really just took his ball and went home.
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Robviously posted:Wow. He really just took his ball and went home. After like seven years of these, you’ve done the best one.
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Robviously posted:Wow. He really just took his ball and went home. So beautiful. Should have sent a poet.
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smug n stuff posted:Scalise is a real role model: https://twitter.com/ettingermentum/status/1712618555122864425 The debt ceiling is good for the next two years. They raised it an unlimited amount for the next two years as part of the deal last summer. The upcoming crisis is about government funding because McCarthy had a deal on spending levels, but his caucus thought he got rolled because there were no nominal cuts in it (just freezing spending growth at 1%, so there were relative cuts because it wasn't keeping up with inflation) and then McCarthy tried to back down. But, he's been deposed so his original deal doesn't even matter anymore because he can't honor it even if he wanted to and whoever replaces him is going to have even less incentive to abide by his deal. Republicans want big cuts, but don't want to specifically cut popular things, so they are trying to get "cap budget at 10% lower than it currently is with no specific cuts and make Democrats sign on to choosing the specific things to get cut so Republicans can say they voted for spending cuts without saying they voted to cut meals on wheels or military healthcare." Democrats obviously don't like that, so the government is going to shut down in mid-November if they don't pass a budget. Pretty bad situation, but less bad than a debt ceiling default.
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Is it going to shut down before or after the VA Senate elections? https://twitter.com/ArthurDelaneyHP/status/1712638503551398132 Republicans in disarray!
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The Lone Badger posted:Aren't republicans incapable of passing ANY budget at the moment? Not just incapable of one that can also pass the senate, they can't even come up with a spending bill at all and even if they also controlled the Senate and Presidency the government would still shut down. They would probably be able to scrape together something, but the result of McCarthy's desperation to be Speaker means that the most insane nihilists are able to veto nearly anything. So long as the rules let 5 or less Republicans call for a new Speaker, they will be unable to even pass the bills with overwhelming Republican support and slight Democratic support. In a world where Gaetz can't call for a new Speaker on a whim, a poo poo sandwich of a Budget that everyone hates almost certainly would make it through to Biden. It would have cuts that go against the Debt Ceiling agreement, but it would be as much as they could claw through via Manchin, Sinema, and the baseline desire of Biden and the Democrats to not shut down the government.
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