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ASAPI posted:Where do they expect these people to go? Isn't any potential "safe zone" already over crowded with people who are already attempting to evac? Go? I don't think they care about them "going" anywhere, and don't even expect it to happen you can't move a million people in one day and it's beyond farcical to even say that. It's them saying "We're going to genocide everyone here oopsie doodles looks like you didn't leave fast enough you must be a terrorist guess you all die now."
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ASAPI posted:they are just knee jerking their way through this and hoping their lack of planning/leadership/goals can be forgiven if they drop enough ordinance.
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Oct 13, 2023 13:41
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What are the war goals of Israel? Are they attempting to grab Gaza city and hold it? I don’t think this would be that sustainable unless they expel or kill everyone there. Or are they just punching the drywall because of all the mass murder?
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Oct 13, 2023 13:56
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psydude posted:It's insane that Israel didn't have an OPLAN for how to deal with the removal of Hamas by force. This is shocking me as well. Hamas has been the boogeyman for Israel for as long as I can remember, and then some. How is there not a building filled with various plans and options for what should be considered a likely possibility? Did they really think they were winning the "hearts and minds" of Hamas and no longer needed to plan for crazy poo poo? If this is the result of their national defense planning, what does their emergency disaster planning look like?
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Oct 13, 2023 13:58
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ASAPI posted:This really sounds like they are just knee jerking their way through this and hoping their lack of planning/leadership/goals can be forgiven if they drop enough ordinance. https://youtu.be/rblfKREj50o?si=43ntCeBdK5KOQwjv&t=171
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Dan Carlin, famous for being the most popular history podcaster, is a Nazi by any other wordSamovar posted:Not that we needed evidence that Carlin had lost the plot, but this is... Uh... 
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ASAPI posted:This is shocking me as well. I'm grimly certain no one in Netanyahu's government had a plan for taking out Hamas because their planning was on how to resolve the problem by removing the Palestinian presence in Gaza.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Dan Carlin, famous for being the most popular history podcaster, is a Nazi by any other word That's disappointing.
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Oct 13, 2023 15:19
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Dan Carlin, famous for being the most popular history podcaster, is a Nazi by any other word Figuring out how to integrate peacefully would be a challenge after decades of bad blood, but... Israel has had had the dominant position for decades and have only exacerbated the situation in that time.
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Oct 13, 2023 15:20
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Liquid Communism posted:I'm grimly certain no one in Netanyahu's government had a plan for taking out Hamas because their planning was on how to resolve the problem by removing the Palestinian presence in Gaza. We're ending up at that same place, but on the way there I think expecting a differentiation between Palestinians and Hamas might be an error in anticipating Netanyahu's government plans in situations like their removal from Palestine.
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Oct 13, 2023 15:33
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Liquid Communism posted:I'm grimly certain no one in Netanyahu's government had a plan for taking out Hamas because their planning was on how to resolve the problem by removing the Palestinian presence in Gaza. Even then, carpet bombing doesn't seem like an effective method. It feels like the equivalent of a toddler throwing poo poo around. I thought Israel was more sophisticated than what we are seeing. Their military and intelligence networks have mostly been held as higher level "first world" when media and state actors talk about them. What we are seeing right now is what I would imagine the House GOP would cook up, not a country that was supposedly operating at a higher level. The whole situation and how Israel is prosecuting their campaign feels like there is no plan. If there ever was a plan, it wasn't a very good one.
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ASAPI posted:Even then, carpet bombing doesn't seem like an effective method. It feels like the equivalent of a toddler throwing poo poo around. First Russia, now Israel?
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Oct 13, 2023 15:42
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Cugel the Clever posted:I think you'd find this sentiment towards Israel among a lot of American liberals and the pro-Israel left, even when they recognize it would be a far-right, racist talking point if spoken by a white American towards our black and brown minorities. A lot of cognitive dissonance on the subject. Hypocrisy, double standards, are not cognitive dissonance. It's a choice. "It's understandable or, even good, when we do it"
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Oct 13, 2023 15:54
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Borscht posted:What are the war goals of Israel? Punishing and terrorizing a civilian population can be a war goal unto itself, especially for a state whose long term national dreams include ethnic cleansing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I don't know what template Israel would even follow to become a plural nation that wouldn't immediately erupt into civil war. South Africa maybe, but that relied heavily on Mandela's force of personality and near-universal global admiration. Bibi sure as poo poo ain't Mandela, and if the Palestinians have one, I don't know who it is. Certainly not from within Hamas anymore, ANC may have been "terrorists" in the eyes of white South Africans but I don't think they ever committed anything near the massacres that just took place. Hamas's name is poison to any peace process now. Maybe Rwanda, but for all the progress that country has made, it's a one-party state. Perhaps it is better to not do apartheid or genocide to begin with, but go ahead and pretend I posted that statement in the defenestration meme template. ASAPI posted:The whole situation and how Israel is prosecuting their campaign feels like there is no plan. If there ever was a plan, it wasn't a very good one. This has all the signs of a politician demanding that something be made to explode on TV right now
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Oct 13, 2023 16:01
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ASAPI posted:Even then, carpet bombing doesn't seem like an effective method. It feels like the equivalent of a toddler throwing poo poo around. I mean it might be effective at virtue signaling to their own people "we're going to break them for this poo poo." Throw in a liberal disregard for those the bombs will fall on and it's doing what it needs to do. And that's before we get into the possibility that there is no need for them to be sophisticated if "all the kills count the same" i.e. this isn't about rooting out Hamas alone but ethnic cleansing. And the vibes/signs are pointing to the latter even at this early stage. Idk, I hope they can be pulled back from that particular brink but its FUBAR and SNAFU all the loving way.
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Discussion Quorum posted:This has all the signs of a politician demanding that something be made to explode on TV right now quote:Republican members of Congress are now openly advocating the slaughter of Palestinian civilians in Gaza. "Level the place," says Lindsey Graham. "No rules of engagement" says Rep. Max Miller, a former Trump aide.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Americans at it, too: 
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for real though, that kinda talk is signalling, IMO, to the israelis that if the right admin is in place in 2024, they ain't got poo poo to worry about. Actually us being divided at home politically and the shitshow on the home front kinda already gives them the pass to get away with as much as they can, whether the world is looking or not. so idk, but holy poo poo what loving ghouls walk among us
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Oct 13, 2023 16:12
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Liquid Communism posted:They don't need to say it out loud. Everyone listening knows exactly what the goal is when you spend a decade confining people into a small geographical area, blockading their imports, and shooting anyone who complains too loud then declare you're going to 'eliminate' partisans in their midst en masse. The best case scenario is a Trail of Tears or Phnom Penh style migration assuming one of the surrounding countries can and will accept a couple million refugees. I know a non-zero number of people who are genuinely, honestly referring to “when the war is over” as though this is a heads-up, state-to-state, military conflict. I have no idea what they think the endgame is but it’s definitely not genocide. (To be clear, I think they’re wrong, but I don’t think they’re lying.)
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The endgame for both sides of this conflict are some variation on the themes of war crimes and/or genocide. No one at the controls is interested in much else besides.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:The endgame for both sides of this conflict are some variation on the themes of war crimes and/or genocide. No one at the controls is interested in much else besides. one of them actually has the means to do this and is doing it
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Humanitarian groups and the UN are already calling on Israel to rescind their evacuation order: https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-war-friday-intl-hnk/index.html
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Israel's president on the subject of civilians in Gaza is: "What civilians? I don't see any civilians?" https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1712811314299490353?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA
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I don't think Israel of all countries wants to open the can of worms that begins with "all citizens are collectively responsible for overthrowing a repressive, genocidal regime"
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Cythereal posted:Israel's president on the subject of civilians in Gaza is: "What civilians? I don't see any civilians?"  Jesus loving Christ.
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I'm very...numb to everything going on. I should feel outraged, or disgusted but mainly just resigned to the idea that no matter what level of performative support one puts on social media, the entire Gaza strip is in the process of being flattened. There will not be a stop this time. Cooler heads will not prevail. Nobody will intervene to help the people of Gaza. Another genocide, available for our viewing pleasure in real time. "Never again" was a lie. The institutions that promised them lied to our faces. Call me a doomer, whatever. I calls them like I sees them.
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Cythereal posted:Israel's president on the subject of civilians in Gaza is: "What civilians? I don't see any civilians?" Is the Israeli president a mostly powerless figurehead like in most parliamentary systems? Idk everyone in Israeli politics but I could see the presidency being a place where they stick an absolute loon because he says red meat things for the base without having much actual power.
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The mass evacuation order may or may not have been intended as a ruse, but according to reporting on the ground they bombed a civilian/medical convoy of ~30 vehicles that was complying with the order.
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MA-Horus posted:I'm very...numb to everything going on. I should feel outraged, or disgusted but mainly just resigned to the idea that no matter what level of performative support one puts on social media, the entire Gaza strip is in the process of being flattened. There will not be a stop this time. Cooler heads will not prevail. Nobody will intervene to help the people of Gaza. cant be a doomer if youre spittin facts
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:The mass evacuation order may or may not have been intended as a ruse, but according to reporting on the ground they bombed a civilian/medical convoy of ~30 vehicles that was complying with the order. Which they have done before.
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Time is a flat circle, Israel am become the Nazis, hail ss-18 Satan may his passing cleanse this dumb earth and let some other species do better (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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poo poo is going down in Jordan. Protesters being dispersed with tear gas and poo poo. Jordan disperses pro-Palestinian protesters heading to border with West Bank quote:AMMAN, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Jordanian riot police on Friday forcibly dispersed hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters trying to reach a border zone with the Israeli-occupied West Bank as thousands held anti-Israel demonstrations across the country, witnesses said. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/tens-thousands-protest-after-muslim-prayers-mideast-israeli-103952022 Tens of thousands protest after Muslim prayers across Mideast over Israeli airstrikes on Gaza quote:
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Oct 13, 2023 18:48
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Update on the world's worst he said she said https://x.com/sarasidnerCNN/status/1712415116363169884?s=20
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quote:One thing we can all do - right now - is call the White House & tell them that you expect the Biden administration to do everything possible to encourage Israeli restraint & avoid attacks on civilians in Gaza. The comment office is closed on Fridays (!), so call the switchboard: 202-456-1414. (we really need Bluesky embeds)
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This is a pretty good video https://youtu.be/lbSFJaFuWU0?si=HcdTUfd4EZUfNA63
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Bored As gently caress posted:This is a pretty good video Copy that. It's one of the most neutral reports on current events out there. I've been following that channel for a couple of years now, and they're generally level-headed and apolitical.
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Dum Cumpster posted:Update on the world's worst he said she said oh dear. Nevertheless they’ll figure out something else to throw out there, true or not. Damage is already done. ETA till ‘65 Indonesia tier psyops and black propaganda? Because I feel like that’ll come too.
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Dum Cumpster posted:Update on the world's worst he said she said its ok because as you can see from this very thread it got the reaction they desired
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can we talk about that hair for a loving second tho yeah you sorry alright. not that drat sorry. gotta be first w the byline and i mean someone was gonna do it right? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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