[Ukraine] ahegao to the poles

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Joey Steel: Jul 24, 2019

Raskolnikov38 posted:

blinken might legit be the stupidest secretary of state we�ve ever had

Nah, it's Clinton with Libya by a loving Mike.

Bitch guaranteed a nuclear war down the road.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 04:31

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 17:58

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

Not sure where to ask this, but what happened to the Israel/Palestine thread? I saw a new one pop up and then close again.

edit: Oh now I see it again, weird

Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 04:37 on Oct 14, 2023

# ? Oct 14, 2023 04:33

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Ytlaya posted:

Not sure where to ask this, but what happened to the Israel/Palestine thread? I saw a new one pop up and then close again.

edit: Oh now I see it again, weird

It got moved to a GBS sub and then moved back, because haw haw funny

# ? Oct 14, 2023 04:42

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Frosted Flake posted:

I say we hear out the guy extolling the virtues of the landed nobility. He might be on to something.

You would say this.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 05:04

Phigs: Jan 23, 2019

Zoeb posted:

I am conflicted.

Between the two sides, I'd rather Ukraine maintained its sovereignty than Russia be allowed to annex all or part of Ukraine.

[...]

You've had some replies but I don't think it's been explicitly explained that framing the conflict as Ukraine vs Russia gives an incomplete picture of the conflict. NATO has had its fingers in the pie since the very beginning. The coups. The arming of Ukraine. The movement towards NATO admittance. This is a NATO war as much and even more so than it is a Ukrainian war. Even "Ukraine" is an iffy concept when it comes to this war. Not even post-Maidan coup Ukraine wanted the aggression on the separatist regions to continue, only the Nazi brigades did. We even have video evidence, provided by Ukraine itself, of their president trying to get the shelling to stop and the Nazis telling him to gently caress off. The majority of Ukrainians did not want the things that lead to this war. Ukraine before Maidan did not want the things that lead to this war. Ukraine after Maidan did not even want all the things that lead to this war. And yet here we are.

This is not really a Russia vs Ukraine war. This is a Russia vs NATO+Ukrainian Nazi war, with Ukraine and its people dragged along to be fed into the meat grinder. Their country has been sold for pennies on the dollar to foreign capitalists to fund a war they wanted to avoid.

If Ukrainians wanted or needed this war then that would be one thing. I would easily cheer on Ukrainians defending themselves to the last against Russian aggression if that is what this war actually was and what they wanted. But in a war where Ukrainians are just caught in the middle of 2 imperialist powers clashing over them, the only thing I cheer for is the fastest path to an end for the war as is possible.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 05:07

VomitOnLino: Jun 13, 2005; Sometimes I get lost.

Just wanna say that the above post is good.

One thing that you might want to point out is that Russia repeatedly offered Ukraine peaceful off-ramps (Minsk II, Negotations etc.) that have been either ignored or just used to play for time. In fact some key diplomats and negotiators on the Ukrainian side got murked for not being hardline enough on Russia.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 05:44

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Zoeb posted:

A rules based international order would hypothetically be a nice thing to have but the US has consistently undermined such an order by exempting itself from the rules, flagrantly violating those rules when they invaded Iraq and used Black sites for torture, and can't be depended upon to keep it's end of any bargain past the next presidential election where we can just revoke our end of any agreement.

ruled based international order is just a fancy word for capitalist principles being applied globally (globalization) which are enforced by economic coercion (play or die) and the literal die as we see in these small, relative to the entire system, conflicts. The shooting wars are very dramatic and eye catching tho. The economic churn of the extraordinarily wide pyramid of exploited people worldwide funnelling resources that are more and more concentrated as they meet at the top of a pyramid is way more suffering than a couple of measly wars imo

# ? Oct 14, 2023 05:48

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Some good thread posting now that the attention is elsewhere

Phigs posted:

You've had some replies but I don't think it's been explicitly explained that framing the conflict as Ukraine vs Russia gives an incomplete picture of the conflict. NATO has had its fingers in the pie since the very beginning. The coups. The arming of Ukraine. The movement towards NATO admittance. This is a NATO war as much and even more so than it is a Ukrainian war. Even "Ukraine" is an iffy concept when it comes to this war. Not even post-Maidan coup Ukraine wanted the aggression on the separatist regions to continue, only the Nazi brigades did. We even have video evidence, provided by Ukraine itself, of their president trying to get the shelling to stop and the Nazis telling him to gently caress off. The majority of Ukrainians did not want the things that lead to this war. Ukraine before Maidan did not want the things that lead to this war. Ukraine after Maidan did not even want all the things that lead to this war. And yet here we are.

This is not really a Russia vs Ukraine war. This is a Russia vs NATO+Ukrainian Nazi war, with Ukraine and its people dragged along to be fed into the meat grinder. Their country has been sold for pennies on the dollar to foreign capitalists to fund a war they wanted to avoid.

If Ukrainians wanted or needed this war then that would be one thing. I would easily cheer on Ukrainians defending themselves to the last against Russian aggression if that is what this war actually was and what they wanted. But in a war where Ukrainians are just caught in the middle of 2 imperialist powers clashing over them, the only thing I cheer for is the fastest path to an end for the war as is possible.

One little thing to add- Ukrainians overwhelmingly disliked Zelenskyy before things really heated up, mostly because he ended up being as corrupt as everyone else, including the offshore bank accounts. At one point his approval rating was just a few points above 20. Certainly this varied by region, but it sets the stage.

BULBASAUR has issued a correction as of 06:48 on Oct 14, 2023

# ? Oct 14, 2023 06:06

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Homeless Friend posted:

ruled based international order is just a fancy word for capitalist principles being applied globally (globalization) which are enforced by economic coercion (play or die) and the literal die as we see in these small, relative to the entire system, conflicts. The shooting wars are very dramatic and eye catching tho. The economic churn of the extraordinarily wide pyramid of exploited people worldwide funnelling resources that are more and more concentrated as they meet at the top of a pyramid is way more suffering than a couple of measly wars imo

yup

one of the greatest tricks the Western liberals did was convince people that as long as no one is directly shooting or whatever, it's all good baby. doesn't matter that we're starving tens of millions of people to death and shortening their life expectancy in half from undernourishment and no medicine and causing permanent immiseration. that's actually good and kosher: that's just capitalism bay-bee. maybe they should learn2code if they didn't want to have to wade through plasticide toxic waste to scrap old electronics for 0.00001 cents in copper or cut out their kidneys to sell.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 06:13

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Zelensky was literally in the Pandora Papers(!!!)

# ? Oct 14, 2023 06:17

BrotherJayne: Nov 28, 2019

Majorian posted:

It got moved to a GBS sub and then moved back, because haw haw funny

I'm not getting the joke.

Is this something lib thing?

# ? Oct 14, 2023 06:20

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

BrotherJayne posted:

I'm not getting the joke.

Is this something lib thing?

Yeah wtf?

# ? Oct 14, 2023 06:53

VomitOnLino: Jun 13, 2005; Sometimes I get lost.

BrotherJayne posted:

I'm not getting the joke.

Is this something lib thing?

People need to chill out about critiquing material conditions and instead just post "lol" and "lmao"

# ? Oct 14, 2023 06:55

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Военный Осведомитель posted:

_{(Click thumbnail to open video)}
Кадры испытания глушителя для автоматического гранатомета АГС-17 на полигоне одного из НИИ.

Данный глушитель маскирует вспышки от выстрела, снижает его громкость и способствует рассеиванию звука, что значительно осложняет обнаружение огневой позиции расчета.

Военный Осведомитель

_{(from t.me/milinfolive/108517, via tgsa)}

russians are testing silencers for the ags-17 grenade launchers

# ? Oct 14, 2023 07:11

BearsBearsBears: Aug 4, 2022

Homeless Friend posted:

ruled based international order is just a fancy word for capitalist principles being applied globally (globalization)

Not quite, Russia is the same type of capitalist neoliberal hellscape as the US or France and yet its actions violated the rules-based international order. The rules-based international order refers specifically to western dominance over the world and even more specifically to the US global hegemony. The US and France can bomb Libya to rubble without violating the RBIO. Azerbajin also didn't violate the RBIO when it launched an illegal and unprovoked invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh, nor is Israel violating the RBIO by bombing the absolute poo poo out the people in Gaza. It's not capitalism or neoliberalism that determines your adherence to the rules-based international order but rather how closely you align with US interests.

Russia is certainly much less neoliberalized than the US and has resisted its resources being "globalized". However it is still a fundamentally capitalist nation, the US did us "shock therapy" to remake Russia into an ideal capitalist state in the 90s after all.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 07:14

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Danann posted:

_{(from t.me/milinfolive/108517, via tgsa)}

russians are testing silencers for the ags-17 grenade launchers

I demand silencers for all my grenade launchers in video games from this day on.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 07:37

netizen: Jun 25, 2023

Starfield let's you put a silencer on a minigun.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/16e1a4y/starfield_lets_you_put_a_suppressoron_a_minigun/

# ? Oct 14, 2023 07:45

Lin-Manuel Turtle: Jul 12, 2023

Ytlaya posted:

It's hard to even reply to that post because there are some very fundamental misunderstandings. It's like if someone showed up with opinions about the US Civil War who thought the North was materially motivated by the need to exterminate the South's deer population.

lol

# ? Oct 14, 2023 07:46

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

BRB busy installing a silencer on this 5 inch naval gun I have handy.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 07:46

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

Ytlaya posted:

It's hard to even reply to that post because there are some very fundamental misunderstandings. It's like if someone showed up with opinions about the US Civil War who thought the North was materially motivated by the need to exterminate the South's deer population.

lol

# ? Oct 14, 2023 07:51

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

netizen posted:

Starfield let's you put a silencer on a minigun.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/16e1a4y/starfield_lets_you_put_a_suppressoron_a_minigun/

It is impressive how little people give a poo poo about that game. It has zero pull.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 07:55

netizen: Jun 25, 2023

Ardennes posted:

It is impressive how little people give a poo poo about that game. It has zero pull.

How do you mean? It sold consoles and seems to be doing well. It's not great but it's a fun game.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:00

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Ardennes posted:

It is impressive how little people give a poo poo about that game. It has zero pull.

I like it

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:05

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

It's not great but its fun I guess, I say as I boot up Missile Command for the 50000th time on my Atari console.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:05

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

netizen posted:

How do you mean? It sold consoles and seems to be doing well. It's not great but it's a fun game.

For such a big release you would think there would be something that would pull a little culturally, but I just haven't heard nothing about it if I didn't hunt for it. I have heard far more about the Cyberpunk expansion, in contrast.

I mean, this is a company that used to put out giant releases; it really doesn't feel like one.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 08:31 on Oct 14, 2023

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:15

netizen: Jun 25, 2023

Ardennes posted:

For such a big release you would think there would be something that would pull a little culturally, but you just heard nothing about it if I didn't hunt for it. I have heard far more about the Cyberpunk expansion, in contrast.

I mean this is a copy that used to put out giant releases, it really doesn't feel like one.

Idk, I like it. I guess we can wait a few years until the Starfield expansion comes out to fairly compare the two. I'm pretty sure Starfield is much much bigger than Cyberpunk in terms of net sales.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:23

netizen: Jun 25, 2023

Love talking games in the Ukraine thread.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:25

Lin-Manuel Turtle: Jul 12, 2023

Ardennes posted:

For such a big release you would think there would be something that would pull a little culturally, but you just heard nothing about it if I didn't hunt for it. I have heard far more about the Cyberpunk expansion, in contrast.

I mean this is a copy that used to put out giant releases, it really doesn't feel like one.

It is that the game is so compelling that those playing it can�t even stop to post about it. A silent majority of gamers are going wild in Starfield right now

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:25

netizen: Jun 25, 2023

Anyway has Russia won yet?

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:28

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

netizen posted:

Anyway has Russia won yet?

The Ukrainians are honestly look kind of hosed, it just unclear when this thing is going to resolve itself.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 08:34 on Oct 14, 2023

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:31

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Phigs posted:

You've had some replies but I don't think it's been explicitly explained that framing the conflict as Ukraine vs Russia gives an incomplete picture of the conflict. NATO has had its fingers in the pie since the very beginning. The coups. The arming of Ukraine. The movement towards NATO admittance. This is a NATO war as much and even more so than it is a Ukrainian war. Even "Ukraine" is an iffy concept when it comes to this war. Not even post-Maidan coup Ukraine wanted the aggression on the separatist regions to continue, only the Nazi brigades did. We even have video evidence, provided by Ukraine itself, of their president trying to get the shelling to stop and the Nazis telling him to gently caress off. The majority of Ukrainians did not want the things that lead to this war. Ukraine before Maidan did not want the things that lead to this war. Ukraine after Maidan did not even want all the things that lead to this war. And yet here we are.

This is not really a Russia vs Ukraine war. This is a Russia vs NATO+Ukrainian Nazi war, with Ukraine and its people dragged along to be fed into the meat grinder. Their country has been sold for pennies on the dollar to foreign capitalists to fund a war they wanted to avoid.

If Ukrainians wanted or needed this war then that would be one thing. I would easily cheer on Ukrainians defending themselves to the last against Russian aggression if that is what this war actually was and what they wanted. But in a war where Ukrainians are just caught in the middle of 2 imperialist powers clashing over them, the only thing I cheer for is the fastest path to an end for the war as is possible.

Wow, shocking minimization of Ukrainian agency in this post. Just absolutely appalling stuff. Do better.

Incidentally also completely correct.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:38

Weka: May 5, 2019; Can't post for 5 hours!

The USSR did a colonialism by using the stolen wealth residing in Europe to develop a country that had just escaped from subjugation.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:40

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Ardennes posted:

The Ukrainians are honestly look kind of hosed, it just unclear when this thing is going to resolve itself.

If you look away long enough Ukraine will resolve itself. Best not to worry about it.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 08:40

Akaiku: May 17, 2013

fizzy posted:

Trump was a piece of poo poo as a President because he never delivered on his promise to lock up Hillary Clinton.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 09:26

Deadly Ham Sandwich: Aug 19, 2009; Smellrose

Jel Shaker posted:

would have thought that seven football pitches isn�t long enough to sneak across an international border, or to require a train

Those miners still have pride in their work.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 09:28

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

BearsBearsBears posted:

Not quite, Russia is the same type of capitalist neoliberal hellscape as the US or France and yet its actions violated the rules-based international order. The rules-based international order refers specifically to western dominance over the world and even more specifically to the US global hegemony. The US and France can bomb Libya to rubble without violating the RBIO. Azerbajin also didn't violate the RBIO when it launched an illegal and unprovoked invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh, nor is Israel violating the RBIO by bombing the absolute poo poo out the people in Gaza. It's not capitalism or neoliberalism that determines your adherence to the rules-based international order but rather how closely you align with US interests.

Russia is certainly much less neoliberalized than the US and has resisted its resources being "globalized". However it is still a fundamentally capitalist nation, the US did us "shock therapy" to remake Russia into an ideal capitalist state in the 90s after all.

highest stage of capitalism, etc. the U.S. is the dungeonmaster of the world as we know it, they created the campaign for the entire world, so naturally they can bend the rules as they please

# ? Oct 14, 2023 09:58

Cheatum the Evil Midget: Sep 11, 2000; I COULDN'T BACK UP ANY OF MY ARGUEMENTS, IGNORE ME PLEASE.

Big Israel graciously accepting the argument put forward by its Western backers that air defense missile should be prioritised to Lil Israel

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1713114383771955307#m

# ? Oct 14, 2023 09:59

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:

Big Israel graciously accepting the argument put forward by its Western backers that air defense missile should be prioritised to Lil Israel

https://twitter.com/egovictoria/status/1713117714514952696

# ? Oct 14, 2023 10:08

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

Homeless Friend posted:

highest stage of capitalism, etc. the U.S. is the dungeonmaster of the world as we know it, they created the campaign for the entire world, so naturally they can bend the rules as they please

the campaign started in the us, and that's where the rules were written, but it doesn't choose to do what it does anymore. it must do what it does. the us couldn't choose not to attempt to break russia or choose not to support palestinian genocide if it wanted to or it would lose the power to do anything at all.

# ? Oct 14, 2023 10:09

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 17:58

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Zodium posted:

the campaign started in the us, and that's where the rules were written, but it doesn't choose to do what it does anymore. it must do what it does. the us couldn't choose not to attempt to break russia or choose not to support palestinian genocide if it wanted to or it would lose the power to do anything at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35DSdw7dHjs&t=99s

# ? Oct 14, 2023 10:41

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