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Cpt_Obvious posted:Imo the initial attack by Hamas garnered Israel q bit of sympathy because it could appear to be unprompted. Israel has since squandered all such sympathy with their violence. That sympathy relies on a refusal to engage with the actual history of the region. The facts of the situation don't matter: our friends and neighbours are seeing a campaign of collective punishment and ethnic cleansing and cheering it on. Even friendly media organizations can hardly disguise how evil the acts committed by Israel are in their regular reporting. I can only assume this is just settler-colonists the world over having each other's back.
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Honest Thief posted:btw has zizek shat a turd out of his mouth about the international order and what not yet? zizek should stick to rating philly cheesesteaks and impromptu hobo jamborees because he looks like exactly the kind of person I'd want to go to for that kind of information
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Honest Thief posted:btw has zizek shat a turd out of his mouth about the international order and what not yet?  where is the hero of the left now?They will never forgive him for clowning on Jordan Peterson despite us never acknowledging him doing anything else good Rectal Death Adept posted:zizek should stick to rating philly cheesesteaks and impromptu hobo jamborees because he looks like exactly the kind of person I'd want to go to for that kind of information This is valuable information, let's not give the man undue credit. As an aside, what does a planned hobo jamboree look like? Who prints the invites for that?
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Honest Thief posted:btw has zizek shat a turd out of his mouth about the international order and what not yet? "both sides actually" https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/israel-palestine-hamas-and-hardliners-against-peace-by-slavoj-zizek-2023-10 quote:In any case, it is not hard to see that both sides – Hamas and Israel’s ultra-nationalist government – are against any peace option. Each is committed to a struggle to the death. And apparently Israel is in danger of becoming a theocratic state!
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Karach posted:And apparently Israel is in danger of becoming a theocratic state! Theocracy was the best government type in Civ 2 and not an option in subsequent games so I don't blame them
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Karach posted:"both sides actually" quote:Hamas and Israeli hardliners are two sides of the same coin. The choice is not one hardline faction or the other; it is between fundamentalists and all those who still believe in the possibility of peaceful co-existence. There can be no compromise between Palestinian and Israeli extremists, who must be combatted with a full-throated defense of Palestinian rights that goes hand-in-hand with an unwavering commitment to the fight against anti-Semitism. 
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Dokapon Findom posted:Theocracy was the best government type in Civ 2 and not an option in subsequent games so I don't blame them In Alpha Centauri terms, have they taken Fundamentalist or Police State?
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fits my needs posted:huh, interesting, al jazeera english live coverage is now featuring bits of international news again and is no longer constant coverage. Some Aljazeera teams have been stopped from broadcasting, iirc.
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Karach posted:In Alpha Centauri terms, have they taken Fundamentalist or Police State? Has to be Police State. Fundamentalist gets a bonus to probe teams, and we now know Israeli intelligence absolutely loving sucks at its job.
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for a good version of Žižek's argument, John Ganz makes a much more persuasive case, with far more human and genuinely egalitarian impulses, ultimately naively placed, in my opinion, but at lease I can respect this position.
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Dokapon Findom posted:Theocracy was the best government type in Civ 2 and not an option in subsequent games so I don't blame them It's the best tier 2 government in Civ 6 if you're running any kind of faith strategy.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:
Have you considered that maybe us being the only remotely sane people on this topic might mean we aren't crazy on other topics either?
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Why must we support Israel's right to defend itself exactly? Did we "support" the right of Nazi Germany or Apartheid South Africa to defend themselves because they're sovereign states or smoothing? Don't we want to actively encourage attempts to dismantle those racist, genocidal power structures? I don't want the state of Israel to "defend" itself, I want them to capitulate, to surrender, to be defeated. I want that government to collapse to make room for a more humane one, I don't see why I have to preface any of that with support for the state of Israel defending itself because that's a ridiculous assertion. Give up, lose, gently caress off and disappear as a unified governing body. Don't loving defend yourself, lay down your arms and wave that white flag.
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per AJE reporter, apparently the israeli soldiers currently have high morale and are ready to go in and 'give some payback' to hamas.
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webcams for christ posted:for a good version of Žižek's argument, John Ganz makes a much more persuasive case, with far more human and genuinely egalitarian impulses, ultimately naively placed, in my opinion, but at lease I can respect this position. It is still misleading, if not transparent. Hamas isn't doing what it is doing out of a sense of "nationalism" but for the simple reason for the Palestinian people to exist, period. Hamas is extreme because it is clear moderation serves no purpose beyond simply defeat and eventual annhilation; look at Fatah. If there was a path for Palestinians at all through moderation, there may be some point, but it is clear there is none. Palestinians in the West Bank are simply being squeezed into smaller and smaller ghettos while the PA being internal collaborators.
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Pictures of aid convoys piled up in front of the Rafah crossing. The residents of #غزة need this aid. Spread this clip widely so that the world knows that Israel is depriving 2 million Palestinians of receiving humanitarian aid... and that Egypt and the Arabs will not delay in coming to the rescue of their brothers in Gaza. https://x.com/sameh_asker/status/1713092107357782161?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q OK, when will the convoy be
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give every single israeli a million dollars and a free house in texas, then restore palestine to its rightful owners thank you, i will accept my nobel peace price now edit: its rightful owners are the ottoman empire
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Verus posted:give every single israeli a million dollars and a free house in texas, then restore palestine to its rightful owners This is genocide
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Verus posted:give every single israeli a million dollars and a free house in texas, then restore palestine to its rightful owners gently caress that. Give every Palestinian a million dollars, kick out the Israelis, and make them move back to New Jersey/Brooklyn where most of them came from.
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Good morning. Another day dawns in America and our staunchest ally is still free.
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The UN tried sending a strongly worded plea to the genocidal maniacs, and they didn't listen! How could they do such a thing?!
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"Wars have rules" no just the one: you either win, or you lose
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FlapYoJacks posted:The UN tried sending a strongly worded plea to the genocidal maniacs, and they didn't listen! How could they do such a thing?! I agree. Wish Hamas had listened.
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I had no idea the UN, the Red Cross, and Medicins Sans Frontiers were all tankies
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it’s not an uncommon belief to think that jews only returned to palestine after ww2, knowing that jews had peacefully coexisted with muslims and christians for centuries is truely mind blowing for some people, so for them it really it if israel is destroyed then by definition jews have to come back to europe
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Mr Hootington posted:I agree. Wish Hamas had listened. Can Hamas issue a fatwa against you? Please?
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webcams for christ posted:for a good version of Žižek's argument, John Ganz makes a much more persuasive case, with far more human and genuinely egalitarian impulses, ultimately naively placed, in my opinion, but at lease I can respect this position. quote:My interpretation remains that Hamas fully intended to provoke the most terrible possible response from Israel: their hope seems to be that Israel will commit such a massive atrocity in response that it will lose international legitimacy. All the sympathy that Jews as a people and the support Israel as a project receive as a result of the Holocaust will be erased or at least badly damaged. Every antisemite in the world will be able to say, “See, they are just as bad, stop listening to them complain, maybe they have it coming.” This would be the beginning of the end for Israel. After all, despite its military prowess, if remains a small nation, dependent on the support of bigger powers for arms and ammunition. If that goes, it is a trap, a prison, just another forsaken stretch of sand not unlike Gaza. another reason it's probably wrong is that israel's dependence on the U.S. for arms can also be a weakness. it makes them lazy, compliant, and reliant on their air force (which seems to be where a lot of U.S. aid goes into, along with iron dome) to bomb gaza and sit behind walls, and the troops guarding those walls become predictable, and that makes them vulnerable. if they try to enter, hamas knows exactly where they're going to enter. meanwhile, hamas sits behind that barrier too and can build command & control systems, and a military structure, which they can't do in the west bank. they have tunnels underground that the israeli army can't reach. this is the paradox or contradiction: the barriers that seal gaza off from israel constrained israel too. they can't just drive into the gaza strip in a jeep and grab a guy for smuggling in an RPG. they could drop a bomb on his head, but that's a very U.S. way of doing things, but you can't really see everything from up there. from a strictly military point of view, israel would probably have been less vulnerable to that raid if it ditched the big wall, stopped relying on all the gizmos, and just had all the frontier kibbutzim armed to the teeth so the people could shoot back instead of running into their safe rooms, which hamas could deal with by just setting their houses on fire. then you have a bunch of soldiers patrolling, and they change how they do it every few days, and even some days they don't patrol at all. but they've become addicted to this american tech and these concepts that are designed to freeze the situation instead of accepting the constant flux of the environment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1aHYOyRphE BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 13:34 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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Joss Laypeg posted:Apart from that, Mr Netanyahu, how was the trance festival? It looked like a lot of fun before the unprovoked attack. 
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Proportionality should be a guideline in war, otherwise the war is not just An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Hammurabi knew this!
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Ardennes posted:It is still misleading, if not transparent. Hamas isn't doing what it is doing out of a sense of "nationalism" but for the simple reason for the Palestinian people to exist, period. Hamas is extreme because it is clear moderation serves no purpose beyond simply defeat and eventual annhilation; look at Fatah. the fact anyone can consider it extremist to stand up and fight to prevent your own genocide is disgusting to me.
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it isn’t the nationalism that bothers libs it’s the militant part
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A "friend" of mine was being very clever with his rhetoric: "I'm not anti Muslim; I'm anti HAMAS. They're terrorists!". I know the answer is "they had no choice because they're an oppressed people", but is there a good article somewhere that can explain, in simple terms, why Palestinians voted for Hamas?
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:A "friend" of mine was being very clever with his rhetoric: "I'm not anti Muslim; I'm anti HAMAS. They're terrorists!". I know the answer is "they had no choice because they're an oppressed people", but is there a good article somewhere that can explain, in simple terms, why Palestinians voted for Hamas? Wasn't the last election in 2006? Half of Gaza are children.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:A "friend" of mine was being very clever with his rhetoric: "I'm not anti Muslim; I'm anti HAMAS. They're terrorists!". I know the answer is "they had no choice because they're an oppressed people", but is there a good article somewhere that can explain, in simple terms, why Palestinians voted for Hamas? think about how much spite factors into American politics; then consider how that applies when the enemy isn't your dipshit uncle at Thanksgiving but the military that's forced you into the world's largest concentration camp
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