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ColtMcAsskick posted:Didnt know they hadn't started reporting so will have to wait til they come back to draw any conclusions i drew some for you  The Peccadillo posted:I was surprised. Thought that was a slam dunk, and when i saw people in this thread confidently saying that it was gonna be "no" I was all "pff ridiculous" typical inner city voter spotted, you should buy a bigger ute Jezza of OZPOS fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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Oct 14, 2023 13:39
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BrigadierSensible posted:Of course she is. She's from Frankston! If Frankston's so great, why doesn't Debbie Flintoff-King, Olympic Gold Medallist, live there?  Had to work today - had an attendant and nurse taking our psych patients out to vote. One of them, older BPAD, currently on a down, told me they voted 'yes', which was nice.
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Settler colonialist state built on racial capitalism that tries to assimilate first nations is racist? I'm shocked.
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hooman posted:Muuuuuum TBK is copying me! Quoting myself. Bald Stalin posted:Settler colonialist state built on racial capitalism that tries to assimilate first nations is racist? I'm shocked. Good thing you voted for the "racism" outcome then! Seriously, you don't get to come in here and advocate for progressive no and then say "Look at all the racism" when no wins. Maybe everyone listened to you! Why aren't you celebrating, no won! You got what you wanted. Everyone voted "no" non racistly! hooman fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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The referendum should have never happened. It was racist bullshit and you all bought it hook line and sinker. A vote was never going to do poo poo. Now get to work (you won't do any real work you just want to vote now and then and complain).
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Bald Stalin posted:The referendum should have never happened. It was racist bullshit and you all bought it hook line and sinker. A vote was never going to do poo poo. Now get to work (you won't do any real work you just want to vote now and then and complain). gently caress off I bought it hook line and sinker what the gently caress are you talking about you loving moron. I agreed with you it was bullshit. I just didn't think that voting no was a better outcome than voting yes. You thought it was. Here we are. Here, I'll quote myself for you, since you clearly didn't read any of my posts before. hooman posted:Yes? At what point did any of us give the impression we believed otherwise?? Nobody here thinks the loving flaccid voice is going to poo poo about this. hooman fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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Bald Stalin posted:The referendum should have never happened. It was racist bullshit and you all bought it hook line and sinker. A vote was never going to do poo poo. Now get to work (you won't do any real work you just want to vote now and then and complain). i've been doing the work for about 13 years now its very tiring
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Bald Stalin posted:The referendum should have never happened. It was racist bullshit and you all bought it hook line and sinker. A vote was never going to do poo poo. Now get to work (you won't do any real work you just want to vote now and then and complain). You should check out Dutton’s victory speech, seeing as you gleefully supported that cause.
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Bald Stalin posted:The referendum should have never happened. It was racist bullshit and you all bought it hook line and sinker. A vote was never going to do poo poo. Now get to work (you won't do any real work you just want to vote now and then and complain). If playing footy as a kid taught me anything it’s that win or lose you’d accept the result, look the other blokes in the eye, shake their hand and say “well played”. Unfortunately it seems as though a lot of people on both sides of the fence want to get into the gutter with name calling and disrespect.
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dr_rat posted:Yeah, looks like only place who ended up majority yes was ACT. Well, like the 1999 republic referendum us Canberrans have shown the rest of Australia how much better we are. You're welcome  . Make Ricky Stuart PM.But seriously, what an awful day. I knew the Yes vote was hosed when my father, a university educated man and life-long labor voter told me a few months ago he was voting no because "The voice will have the power to tell parliament what to do and the High Court will back them" and no matter how much I told him that was not what the proposed change said and that parliament still held all the power and they could (and would honestly) ignore the Voice if they felt like it, didn't change his mind. And if this little change gets a big No, a proposal with actual weight behind it has no chance. gently caress me dead. Sad way to find out my dad was a fuckwit, but better now than never I guess. We are an awful country.
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garycoleisgod posted:Well, like the 1999 republic referendum us Canberrans have shown the rest of Australia how much better we are. You're welcome pretty similar experience here, knew the voice was cooked when i heard some ugly poo poo from my mum. also when i found out she was cooked too
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Bald Stalin posted:The referendum should have never happened. It was racist bullshit and you all bought it hook line and sinker. A vote was never going to do poo poo. Now get to work (you won't do any real work you just want to vote now and then and complain). What work? What are you actually doing as “work” on this issue, other than slagging off the huge numbers of Indigenous activists who put their absolute loving hearts on the line over this referendum?
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TheLoneAmigo posted:What work? What are you actually doing as “work” on this issue, other than slagging off the huge numbers of Indigenous activists who put their absolute loving hearts on the line over this referendum? They’re posting in a smug gently caress fashion Can’t you see how HARD they’re working?!
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Honestly though this country needs an information campaign, an educational blitz that we’re not loving America and our country and constitution work differently. Just a variety of 30 second spots during the cricket and footy saying “there is no free speech amendment in our constitution”, etc etc would help
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Bald Stalin posted:The referendum should have never happened. It was racist bullshit and you all bought it hook line and sinker. A vote was never going to do poo poo. Now get to work (you won't do any real work you just want to vote now and then and complain). So, something supported by Indigenous people that would basically be a form of ATSIC that couldn't be done away with by the PM of the day and was a consultative body that would sit over the state based consultative Indigenous bodies being established at this very moment without any veto power was racist against whom? Was it double-crypto-undercover racist because it definitely wasn't a simple open Apartheid racism? What is your angle? This referendum was a very modest change and Australians showed they lack the understanding to take 5 minutes to learn what it was going to do and that involving Indigenous people in the machinery of government would be a net positive. Now Indigenous people get to rely on State powers, which is fine, but has no unifying strategy between States that would have been coordinated by a Federal body. It's all very boring but it was made simple so dipshit Aussies would understand what was happening. If 'progressives' told themselves that they should vote no because the referendum didn't go far enough = irrelevance follows. You got your shot and you flubbed it arguing over the fallout. You get to tell people you were always hardcore while all the rules get made without you. If you get anything positive out of this then it will be dumb luck. Murdoch is the only true winner. Division and chaos sells subscriptions.
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whos up getting ready with unlinked public transport cards and making signs to go march in support of palestine today
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Hey folks, are AEC workers inside the polling place required to initial or mark your ballot in any way when they mark you on the roll? This isn't a conspiracy post or anything, just need a question i don't know the answer to... Answered. Cheers
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Completely predictable own goal in putting this to a referendum, they should have just legislated for it like Victoria and SA already did.A Perfect Twist posted:This referendum was a very modest change and Australians showed they lack the understanding to take 5 minutes to learn what it was going to do Probably because "what it was going to do" was studiously left unspecified.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Hey folks, are AEC workers inside the polling place required to initial or mark your ballot in any way when they mark you on the roll? No. In fact I believe if your ballot paper identifies you in any way it's ruled invalid.
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freebooter posted:No. In fact I believe if your ballot paper identifies you in any way it's ruled invalid. No sorry, i mean do they (the AEC worker) need to stamp or sign any part of the ballot to make it official and not one someone printed at home for example
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A Perfect Twist posted:be a form of ATSIC It's bizarre how you both acknowledge this would just be another ATSIC but your Idealism prevents you from recognizing ATSIC didn't stop black deaths in custody or get land back or lead to treaty. Pure liberal brain rot.
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I don't think so? And even if you'd printed off one at home and secretly use that instead, I'm not sure you'd be breaking the law unless you attempted to cast more than one. Where are you going with this?
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freebooter posted:I don't think so? And even if you'd printed off one at home and secretly use that instead, I'm not sure you'd be breaking the law unless you attempted to cast more than one. Where are you going with this? It's not some crank poo poo don't worry, a friend (who's of maori decent) was weirded out by the guy who handed the ballot out is all and I'm just trying to assuage some fears.
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Lizard Combatant posted:No sorry, i mean do they (the AEC worker) need to stamp or sign any part of the ballot to make it official and not one someone printed at home for example Yes, every ballot needs to be initialled by the vote issuing officer as they hand it over, otherwise it won’t be counted
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ShoeFly posted:Yes, every ballot needs to be initialled by the vote issuing officer as they hand it over, otherwise it won’t be counted Oh seriously? That's not good news. Sorry friend, it was racism after all.
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freebooter posted:Completely predictable own goal in putting this to a referendum, they should have just legislated for it like Victoria and SA already did. Sort of. It is pretty obvious to anyone who could read that the body was for consultation and nothing but. You can argue that consultation doesn't always get the best outcomes but it is usually welcome. The Coalition were the Architects, the power it would have can be ignored but the body would persist unlike ATSIC which John Howard just pulled funding for capitalising on a historic rape accusation made against the then ATSIC head which later was dismissed. The lady involved probably was raped but it was not confirmed that the accused was the one who had any involvement or was anywhere near were it happened at the time. I digress because this is a one of those things that can be talked about endlessly. I think the real death of the referendum was when Dutton came out in opposition to a policy which was designed by his party's moderates. He was doubling-down on a strategy that had lost the election and a few by-elections. Being boosted by Murdoch's papers meant we all heard more from the No side than we should have. The Yes side, to their detriment, acted as if the would would be all sunshine and rainbows. It wasn't helped that Lydia Thorpe, supposedly progressive, seems to be capitalising on outrage. Claiming Albanese is responsible for neo-nazis targetting her did not fill me with confidence she actually knows what she's doing. They are targetting her because of her race, sex and that she's in the public eye, simple as. Neo-nazis don't lie to themselves about voting no being good for Indigenous people like she was doing. That she threw her hat in with the No side just made her look amateurish. A Perfect Twist fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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Lizard Combatant posted:No sorry, i mean do they (the AEC worker) need to stamp or sign any part of the ballot to make it official and not one someone printed at home for example Yeah, once you ask the questions and determine they’re eligible to vote you’re supposed to initial the circle in the top right marked “Official Use Only”. Though the ballot will probably still be considered valid if the issuing officer forgets.
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Bald Stalin posted:It's bizarre how you both acknowledge this would just be another ATSIC but your Idealism prevents you from recognizing ATSIC didn't stop black deaths in custody or get land back or lead to treaty. Pure liberal brain rot. So how will the No vote lay the foundations to address this inequality hmm
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Yeah it's a case where the guy was acting weird towards her and she thought something was up but didn't realise about the initial until she was outside and comparing the experience with her white partner. They didn't go back in to make a scene because it's hard to not come across like a crazy person if you don't catch them in the act. So yeah the vote was most likely counted, but that's not the real concern. Fun times in Australia.
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Hey so I voted No And for context I'm a left wing, non-white and brown though not Indigenous perennial Greens/Labor/Vic Socs voter, I've studied constitutional law and am not a nufty, etc I absolutely think some recognition could have been in the Constitution and more can be done for indigenous Australians, but I didn't think giving a lobby group for a single race constitutional status perennially is the solution, and I think there's a lack of realization of how many progressive multicultural voters have voted No for similar reasons However what I do know is that there's going to be a bunch of bad takes from both sides about what this means, when all it really means is the Yes failed to make a compelling enough case for the electorate, people voted no for a variety of reasons, some crazy, racist and nufty and others not even if you disagree, and life goes on Sweeping takes on either side about what this means about racism in general in Australia are overwhelmingly bad faith
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:but I didn't think giving a lobby group for a single race constitutional status perennially is the solution Solution, no. But why is it not worth having at all? Would your opinion be different if this were part of the original constitution at Federation?
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I think the voice could have been set up as a legislated entity or otherwise the government could have moved to enhance consultation with indigenous groups in other ways without changing the constitution in a way that gives one ethnic group a structural difference as issues and the demographics of the country will further shift over time and it assumes it will always be necessary
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We actually know from the results that all bar one electorate that had a 20%+ share of Greens election votes overwhelmingly voted yes. We know every Teal seat voted yes. Only one Liberal electorate voted yes. We have data on age and wealth and voting patterns, elections are hard data. Largely this was a no of apathy and ignorance. Indigenous affairs are never in the top 10 of issues across the 'common' electorate. Its a fringe issue and making Australians care about both the constitution and a fringe social issue is a double shot of concrete especially with socially conservative areas of the country having an outsized say. We know that the Yes vote has cultivated a big groundswell (apparently the largest grassroots organising body), people who were Yes were a hard yes, whereas No could coast on apathy and even the slightest questioning and misinfo. Hopefully this groundswell gets leveraged for more progressive social policies. We can also infer that the 'progressive no' vote was irrelevant in progressive seats and only helped the non-progressive Labor seats and LibNat electorates justify their lovely social positions and that they'll immediately become irrelevant until their useful idiot position can be exploited again. Thorpe was useless as the local member for Northcote in the Victorian Parliament and was quickly voted out for it, and it's sad that the Greens thought they could change her again.
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:I think the voice could have been set up as a legislated entity or otherwise the government could have moved to enhance consultation with indigenous groups in other ways without changing the constitution in a way that gives one ethnic group a structural difference as issues and the demographics of the country will further shift over time and it assumes it will always be necessary Yes, it should if all the land was stolen from them. It should have originally contained it in the context of the fact that we are all living on their land. For the majority of the time Australia has existed the constitution did not recognise them as people...
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:I think the voice could have been set up as a legislated entity This has already been done, repeatedly, since the 1970s. The LNP always shut it down when they regain power. BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:without changing the constitution in a way that gives one ethnic group a structural difference
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