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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, do the keys even do anything, other than open gates? Ride the Lightning, without any trace of 'forbidden arts and dark science.' Also manifest and fire the Ten Cubit Spear, among other things, and manifest knife-proof eyeballs and skin. I do not think that Allison is meant to be so simply super-cool that she could make her eyeball break a knife simply by willing it, as a trainee of White Chain. Allison has grown into a vast power, but I'm pretty sure ripping it out of her head would significantly reduce her ability to shatter mountains and carve through cities. Now, it has nothing to do with her ability to resist the Maybe Sword, which is in the pure affirmation of life and will which she makes, but in terms of the rest of it she's using the key. The keys are not the be-all of power - Ki Rata doesn't need it, and sorcery doesn't solely require it. But they are a vast source of power that can be used for many things, as well as the individual keys to entire worlds. The Red God wants them because he wants enough raw power to face Metatron; I do not think Jagganoth of all beings is depicted as using training wheels.
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I disagree with the idea that White Chain needs no training, just motivation -- Allison has just now grown into her key, after training with two demiurges.
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wiegieman posted:White Chain doesn't necessarily need Ki Rata, but she does need someone to teach her how to use the key, and fast. What White Chain needs is someone to teach her Key Rata, I suggest going to the Kingdom Hearts universe.
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girl dick energy posted:I think the keys aren't so much a magic feather as they are... training wheels? A Key of Kings doesn't let you do things you couldn't, but it sure as gently caress makes it easier. Joe Slowboat posted:I do not think Jagganoth of all beings is depicted as using training wheels. I think a key is less training wheels for a bicycle and more like top of the line suspension and a tricked out turbo charger for a car. In theory, things are going to be easier to handle, and you will have more power. Whether you slap those bad boys on a 20 year old sedan (Allison back in the day) or a high end sports car (Allison now, or Jag, etc. as not all sports cars are equal), well, YMMV as they say. 
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Yeah the key let Allison zorptch back into throne with little knowledge and a whole load of will. What it didnt make give is that force of will and strength she needed. Before you learn how to do things you need learn that you can.
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ConfusedUs posted:I love the dialogue in this comic. "...and later he drowned" tells us, in very few words, that this emperor was badass enough to survive being thrown through a mountain, but not badass enough to survive landing in the sea, likely miles from land. Classic mistake, he should have known not to ignore movement abilities, it's the most easily broken part of any build.
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 HE'S DOING IT, HE'S FISHING
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Whirling posted:
I bet he's going to pull an entire whale through the ice or something equally ridiculous
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Incubus explained how a key works and what it does for you pretty concisely without car analogies The real magic wasn't inside you all along, but giving the spark of God that leaves you only limited by your own will and imagination to an apostate angel is a pretty mean prank A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Oct 14, 2023 |
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My understanding is that the keys are, primarily, basically a power source that can be used for whatever application. if you’re a skilled wizard or practitioner of martial arts breathing bullshit then you can use a key to amplify and augment that ability significantly, well beyond what any notmal practitioner could be expected to do, but if you’re some normal dipshit like early story allison you can really only make use of that power when your desperation/anger/emoooootion reaches such heights that you take leave of your senses and stop giving a poo poo about the rules of reality.
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what if you used a key to open a really big chest and there was a skeleton inside
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:what if you used a key to open a really big chest and there was a skeleton inside The skeleton probably knows magic kung-fu.
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There are skeletons inside most people's chests, whether they're really big or otherwise
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Phy posted:There are skeletons inside most people's chests, whether they're really big or otherwise JESUS HOW DO WE GET THEM OUT THAT'S TERRIFYING
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Wet skeletons.
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I have skeletons in my titties? 
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the holy poopacy posted:also didn't salami dave used to be bald? He used to be hairless except for his beard which implies dude waxed for millennia
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TK-42-1 posted:He used to be hairless except for his beard which implies dude waxed for millennia reach heaven through violence indeed
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girl dick energy posted:I have skeletons in my titties? No that's where the ghosts are
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girl dick energy posted:I have skeletons in my titties? 
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lmao "the skeletons are NOT GAY okay?? we put this bone plate on so you don't think they're gay"
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SardonicTyrant posted:The keys grant you supernatural power, but they don't make you a better person. You just do stupid things faster with more energy. Oh, so it's PowerThirst™.
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TK-42-1 posted:He used to be hairless except for his beard which implies dude waxed for millennia Through magical martial arts breathing bullshit he just sucked the hair right back into his pores "Waxing." Imagine.  coulda sworn we had a :smugdave: emote for a while there
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Phy posted:Through magical martial arts breathing bullshit he just sucked the hair right back into his pores there’s  from the PL thread
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Fister Roboto posted:Oh, so it's PowerThirst™. Salami Dave definitely engaged in power lifting and power spawning babies. So many babys. 400 failsons.
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I have to say I'm surprised people are reading Solomon David hanging out fishing and gruesomely murdering the odd highwaymen while a cosmic army goes about annihilating the universe as personal growth, or a step towards Royalty? I'm seeing it as his long-foreshadowed personal crisis? His whole thing is being the diamond - almost completely indestructible, but when it does break it shatters completely, because it can't yield or bend at all. In the tournament White Chain didn't beat him, or even manage to draw the single drop of blood. But she "won" because just bonking him on the nose once made him fall short of the impossible standard he sets for himself. The same thing happened on a larger scale when Jagganoth invaded - he actually did really well! After 6 demiurges and an ascended human-devil-angel wielding the power of God failed to beat Jag, he single-handedly managed to imprison him somewhere for 3 years. If they'd regrouped the remaining demiurges and their empires to fight Jagg's army then, they'd be in a much better position. But having his capital city wrecked completely breaks Dave. He can't accept a qualified victory with massive losses, or a defeat that gives you time to regroup and try again, or an uphill battle against the odds - he sees himself as a completely inviolate invulnerable God, so anything less than total victory completely shatters his self-image. This is in contrast to Alison who's capable of picking herself up, down a girlfriend and some limbs, and trying again. I don't think he's had a revelation that he needs to allow people the freedom to define their own destiny or anything, she's finding him in the God-King equivalent of being passed out surrounded by bottles of whisky in a post-divorce motel room
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Magnus Manfist posted:I don't think he's had a revelation that he needs to allow people the freedom to define their own destiny or anything, she's finding him in the God-King equivalent of being passed out surrounded by bottles of whisky in a post-divorce motel room Then why did he bother killing all those bandits? He could have easily just hung out fishing without making things better. Or he could have easily conquered the planet, even without the key. Instead he stopped the violence (with more violence but that's the tool he's got) and immediately hosed off to do fishing, letting people decide their own fate. He's probably depressed but also, he's learned something.
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Phy posted:Through magical martial arts breathing bullshit he just sucked the hair right back into his pores  Magnus Manfist posted:I have to say I'm surprised people are reading Solomon David hanging out fishing and gruesomely murdering the odd highwaymen while a cosmic army goes about annihilating the universe as personal growth, or a step towards Royalty? I'm seeing it as his long-foreshadowed personal crisis?
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WHITE CHAIN: (matter of factly) ...There are no fish in this pond. SOLOMON: Chain, it's not about the actual fish themselves. (exasperated) The fish are not important in this context.
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ConfusedUs posted:I love the dialogue in this comic. "...and later he drowned" tells us, in very few words, that this emperor was badass enough to survive being thrown through a mountain, but not badass enough to survive landing in the sea, likely miles from land. “Later,” like he was swimming or walking along the sea floor for quite a while before it happened. Hey we’re probably going to find out his muffled answer to White Chain’s wish now.
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Solomon is actually fishing for the dead king.
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Potato Salad posted:WHITE CHAIN: (matter of factly) ...There are no fish in this pond. Wish I had that Solomon 'magnificent' gif as an emote right about now
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Magnus Manfist posted:This is in contrast to Alison who's capable of picking herself up, down a girlfriend and some limbs, and trying again.
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Magnus Manfist posted:I have to say I'm surprised people are reading Solomon David hanging out fishing and gruesomely murdering the odd highwaymen while a cosmic army goes about annihilating the universe as personal growth, or a step towards Royalty? I'm seeing it as his long-foreshadowed personal crisis? Actually allowing himself to acknowledge his crisis is a step up for him, if not as a ruler than at least as, like, a person.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Then why did he bother killing all those bandits? They kept scaring the fish
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Whirling posted:
its not quite grilling, but fishing is also one of the Sanctioned Acts
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:what if you used a key to open a really big chest and there was a skeleton inside if you defeat it you get a really big leather shield, duh
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:if you defeat it you get a really big leather shield, duh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26rg8g5ks8
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Potato Salad posted:WHITE CHAIN: (matter of factly) ...There are no fish in this pond.
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