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Can we please not compare NZ parties/politics to US ones? It's reductive, inaccurate, and loving pointless, even as we acknowledge the States's influence on us. I hear about US crap shouted from every corner of the internet, I really don't want to know more about it, this is like a tiny little hole where we can block out all of that and talk about more local stuff. Please. edit: shameful snipe. I'm kinda quaranteeing myself from the news as it's incessant gibbering during election season, but I am keen to hear other people's takes. We're all seem to share similar views here, but a friend recently came out as ACT supporter and it was interesting to hear their reasons why. Not everyone's logic is mustache-twirling villany. (just most of them) Serephina fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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Serephina posted:Can we please not compare NZ parties/politics to US ones? It's reductive, inaccurate, and loving pointless, even as we acknowledge the States's influence on us. Someone asked.
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Serephina posted:Can we please not compare NZ parties/politics to US ones? It's reductive, inaccurate, and loving pointless, even as we acknowledge the States's influence on us. Sorry, I started this derail in a lazy post response to someone from the states who asked a question in the thread. It's simplistic and wrong, the countries have very different histories and political landscapes. Out of curiosity, what was their reasoning. Mostly I haven't heard anything with mustache-twirling villany, just banal justifications for self interest.
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Oct 15, 2023 07:18
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Imagine being friends with an act voter
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As I understand it from looking at some news articles, national are planning to dump the 70cents a litre roading tax from petrol and charge everyone a road user charge of about 76 dollars per 1000 km Now, my car will use 100 litres ($300) for 1000 kilometres (7.5 per 100 but rounded up because maths) open road. So I'll save 70 dollars on that amount of fuel, but I'll have to buy 76 dollars worth of RUC. But "petrol is gonna be cheaper" yeah right and also the market bears 3 dollars a litre so that's where we'll end up anyway loving idiots.
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Oct 15, 2023 07:48
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Charging RUC on petrol cars will make their voters very, very angry lmao
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Oct 15, 2023 07:56
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Right but they campaigned on doing that so their voters should already know and want that
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Oct 15, 2023 08:21
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Serephina posted:
this is why i will make maori the official and only spoken language in new zealand, and ban the learning and use of english everywhere. within a generation or two we may be able to escape the perfidious influence of the demon anglo nations
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Slavvy posted:Charging RUC on petrol cars will make their voters very, very angry lmao National are good at the economy mate.
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klen dool posted:Right but they campaigned on doing that so their voters should already know and want that They stopped listening after "we'll make fuel cheaper by..."
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klen dool posted:Right but they campaigned on doing that so their voters should already know and want that They're pulverizingly stupid I already explained this
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Oct 15, 2023 09:06
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Stink buzz
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klen dool posted:As I understand it from looking at some news articles, national are planning to dump the 70cents a litre roading tax from petrol and charge everyone a road user charge of about 76 dollars per 1000 km I don't know if they ever released any actual numbers on it (if they even have them), but afaik all the stories are quoting the $76/1000km figure simply because that's currently the cheapest tier of diesel RUC.
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Oct 15, 2023 09:28
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Lol so it could be more
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Oct 15, 2023 09:45
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klen dool posted:Lol so it could be more Could be more, could be less, who knows what it looks like if you re-jig the entire system. (I bet they don't)
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Oct 15, 2023 09:52
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keeping track of mileage and topping up RUC is a pain, I just sold the old diesel hiace minivan and was looking forward to no longer needing to deal with that wonder how soon they're gonna introduce RUC for electrics though
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Progressive JPEG posted:keeping track of mileage and topping up RUC is a pain, I just sold the old diesel hiace minivan and was looking forward to no longer needing to deal with that March next year. They are exempt currently and the exemption runs out in March, and the nats have indicated they won't renew the exemption IIRC from the article I read earlier from September
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So unless I'm understanding that RUC/uel excise change its basically taxing small efficient cars to give a tax break to Ranger drivers, lmao.
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Saros posted:So unless I'm understanding that RUC/uel excise change its basically taxing small efficient cars to give a tax break to Ranger drivers, lmao. not surprised that a party is doing something for the core-est of core constituencies
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Oct 15, 2023 11:51
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Time to find a car with a mechanical odometer again...
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klen dool posted:As I understand it from looking at some news articles, national are planning to dump the 70cents a litre roading tax from petrol and charge everyone a road user charge of about 76 dollars per 1000 km Historic petrol prices are available quarterly and annually going back to the 1970s, surprisingly the cost of petrol now is fairly similar to what it has been in the past, including back in the 70s/80s, and I think around 2017? I'm not sure whether it's inflation adjusted prices though.
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Oct 15, 2023 18:45
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I remember when 91 was sub 1 dollar a litre.
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Saros posted:So unless I'm understanding that RUC/uel excise change its basically taxing small efficient cars to give a tax break to Ranger drivers, lmao. Pretty much! It means everyone pays the same tax regardless of efficiency. It's the less bad option, because the other option is that National keeps topping up the NLTP from the other tax take to pay for their insane road projects. voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Oct 15, 2023 |
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Progressive JPEG posted:keeping track of mileage and topping up RUC is a pain, I just sold the old diesel hiace minivan and was looking forward to no longer needing to deal with that I think the plan is when you get a WOF they will work out the distance travelled since the last WOF and charge RUC accordingly. Which is going to make getting a warrant more expensive. Probably see more just not bother.
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Oct 15, 2023 19:20
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Holy poo poo if turns out to be that way around you are going to see a massive increase in un-warranted cars (rather than the increase in cars with expired RUCs).
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I'm going to be disconnecting my speedometer, highly recommended hack but you need an older carLobsterpillar posted:Historic petrol prices are available quarterly and annually going back to the 1970s, surprisingly the cost of petrol now is fairly similar to what it has been in the past, including back in the 70s/80s, and I think around 2017? Fossil fuels are the modern divine right of kings and it is impossible for a capitalist state to survive a genuine big hike in prices
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Oct 15, 2023 20:20
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yeah having WOFs now cost like $1000 because they roll unpaid RUC bill into it will just bigly expand that whole pipeline of too expensive to get WOF -> need car to earn money -> fines to pay for driving without WOF -> disqualified from driving -> still can't work or live without driving -> more fines and possibly jail time for driving while disqualified
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bike tory posted:yeah having WOFs now cost like $1000 because they roll unpaid RUC bill into it will just bigly expand that whole pipeline of too expensive to get WOF -> need car to earn money -> fines to pay for driving without WOF -> disqualified from driving -> still can't work or live without driving -> more fines and possibly jail time for driving while disqualified So it'll work exactly as intended then
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I don't think the intention is to punish poor people, it's just an obvious collateral that they don't care about because they can simply say it's individual responsibility and fuel is 75c cheaper now so actually it's good for poor people, etc.
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They're the same picture
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Oct 15, 2023 20:40
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 Alright how do I become an MP
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Solus posted:
you gotta gently caress guy williams
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He's too tall.....
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One month ago: "Freedoms NZ Party aiming to cause 'massive political earthquake' this election" Result: 0.31% of the party vote. Guess there wasn't enough gay people loving to cause the earthquake. (They were 1,500 votes behind Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party)
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Listening to luxon on morning report and he was speaking so carefully not to piss off winston.
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Distorted Kiwi posted:One month ago: "Freedoms NZ Party aiming to cause 'massive political earthquake' this election" I'm doing my part
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Anticheese posted:I'm doing my part We appreciate your service.
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The they agenda will not be stopped. For the new readers, we do have a cool discord. If you're a chill person, stick your hand up and we can dm you an invite
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kaiwero posted:Holy poo poo if turns out to be that way around you are going to see a massive increase in un-warranted cars (rather than the increase in cars with expired RUCs).
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if unsafe cars being on the road were a problem then the market wouldn't be flooded with suvs in the first place.
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