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The 49ers had like three very bad calls against them. That fumble by PJ Walker would've ended up in points for them and the refs started flagging them for playing defense at the end of the game. Meanwhile, Jalen Hurts just kinda threw a bunch of picks to lose. Bills needing an awful no call to get bailed out against the Giants is kind of sad for them.
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The refs should have absolutely called it, but the defender was right for not letting that pass get completed by any means necessary. Maybe refs should be instructed to really watch out for it in situations like that because CBs are gonna hold on for dear life.
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Oct 16, 2023 14:40
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the Eagles looked like complete poo poo. probably my favorite game of the season so far, gently caress this team lol
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Oct 16, 2023 14:47
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Don't forget that RTP penalty against the Giants where they hit Allen's arm and it wasn't roughing in any way
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Oct 16, 2023 14:56
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I half expected the bengals to catch one on that 4th down
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Oct 16, 2023 15:04
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The refs gifted the browns a phantom personal foul, turning what would've been 4th and 11 deep in their own territory into a first down at midfield on their game winning drive, and the Niners still had to first settle for a 40-yard FG with first down and 40 seconds left, and then miss that FG, to lose the game. Eagles just lmao'ed their game away.
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Woozie66 posted:https://twitter.com/DMurph_BrownsPR/status/1713906631279288641?t=a3IeYkHYP1LCYME5VZINcw&s=19 I know they're noting that the cowboys didn't play yet but didn't the browns already have a bye week?
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Papercut posted:The refs gifted the browns a phantom personal foul, turning what would've been 4th and 11 deep in their own territory into a first down at midfield on their game winning drive, and the Niners still had to first settle for a 40-yard FG with first down and 40 seconds left, and then miss that FG, to lose the game. Wait really? I'm surprised they didn't trust Purdy enough to gain at least a handful of yards, plenty of time to clock it.
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Bip Roberts posted:I know they're noting that the cowboys didn't play yet but didn't the browns already have a bye week? Yeah, they played the Titans Week 2.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Wait really? I'm surprised they didn't trust Purdy enough to gain at least a handful of yards, plenty of time to clock it. Shanahan turtled up into his old self for a game quote:1st & 10 at CLE 26
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Oct 16, 2023 15:36
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Shanahan is a terrible gameday coach. just the most anti-clutch guy on Earth, he's worse than Eagles-era Andy Reid
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I still cant get over that. 40 seconds and you couldn’t even bother to try to get more yards.
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Oct 16, 2023 15:53
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I wasn't really *mad* about it but it was especially weird because the previous possession was the opposite, with like 3:30 left and the lead they called three straight passes. Not really masterful insight here but still, definitely Shanny's worst game of the season. The game management, drive-killing cutesy poo poo, multiple bootlegs right into untouched linebackers, I really do like Shanahan but he was just really thoroughly owned yesterday for pretty much all the usual reasons that occasionally get him really thoroughly owned.
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Maybe the eagles niners game will be ultimate battle of which coach can gently caress up closing out a game more.
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if they brought in a good offensive playcaller that team would be terrifying. not even a new OC, just someone who can call the offense when things get rough. Kyle hasn't been capable of that since Washington. as it is now, if your defense manages some key stops there's a good chance that Shanahan will beat the 49ers for you
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The way the Browns defense played all day, especially the way the entire d line seemed to start every snap about 3 yards past the line of scrimmage, it was reasonable to be conservative. Like prior to that drive, SF had 21 total yards for the entire second half. And every coach is gonna expect their kicker to be able to make a 40 yard FG. But yeah it looks much worse given the result.
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Oct 16, 2023 16:22
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I think it would go a long way if he just had like an emergency, keep it simple bag of tricks when the team is just way out of sync. I'm not gonna complain that the team uses a ton of motions and play actions and crap because it obviously works great 90% of the time but around the time you're taking a delay of game because Ray Ray McCloud is running the fullback's motion, you should have some ability to simplify and hopefully settle everyone in. Like the best drives of the day were the first (scripted, probably run 1000 times over the week) and the last (straightforward shotgun two minute drill). I'm not guaranteeing it would've gotten anywhere against the Browns D and with everyone playing like crap, but all the shifting and motions and twisting play actions and poo poo for -2 yards, it was like being the fancy sword guy who gets shot by Indiana Jones
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Shanahan was right to be conservative. The Browns have a tremendous defense. The likelihood of a major negative play is too great to bother with anything other than setting up the field goal. It was 41 yards. A miss from 41 yards is on nobody but the kicking unit.
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Shindragon posted:Get rekt'd. I mean I feel pretty ok if what it takes to be beat the Niners by 2 on a last second missed field goal is horrific weather, injuries to 3-4 of their 10 best players, the other best defense in the league, and two atrocious calls right at the end The Puppy Bowl posted:Shanahan was right to be conservative. The Browns have a tremendous defense. The likelihood of a major negative play is too great to bother with anything other than setting up the field goal. It was 41 yards. A miss from 41 yards is on nobody but the kicking unit. Yeah. We were in range and the rain just defended the kick. It happens
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Oct 16, 2023 17:11
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Don’t forget the Browns won starting an XFL QB.
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https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1713943869296119927?t=h_LrvTTqG5sNIxmtO43rBQ&s=19 7.5! Henrik Zetterberg posted:Don’t forget the Browns won starting an XFL QB. And they started the game without their All Pro o-lineman and RB, instead of losing them mid game.
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That would be more impressive if QBR was a real stat.
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Woozie66 posted:https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1713943869296119927?t=h_LrvTTqG5sNIxmtO43rBQ&s=19 That defense is very much for real and if the offense weren’t crippled by a caricature of bad karma I think they’d be the best team in the AFC. Too bad about the rapist albatross around their neck
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The Puppy Bowl posted:That would be more impressive if QBR was a real stat. I've kinda come around on QBR as being...fine. It's basically EPA/Play which is also...fine, with a few twists due to game time or high leverage situations or whatever the hell. I'm not gonna say it's great, but it's probably a bit better than old school passer rating we grew up with.
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it basically only matters in aggregate when used to measure a defense, in terms of individual games or even individual quarterbacks it's not especially illustrativePapercut posted:The way the Browns defense played all day, especially the way the entire d line seemed to start every snap about 3 yards past the line of scrimmage, it was reasonable to be conservative. The Puppy Bowl posted:Shanahan was right to be conservative. shannypilled response to an easily preventable loss with terrible coaching decisions: He Was Right Actually indigi fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Oct 16, 2023 |
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The Puppy Bowl posted:That would be more impressive if QBR was a real stat. May I direct you to the other two stats then?
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indigi posted:shannypilled response to an easily preventable loss with terrible coaching decisions: He Was Right Actually Every coach in the league is going to gently caress up game management or play calling sometimes. And sometimes the defense just has your number. Shanahan isn’t unique in that regard except that his baseline performance is way better than most other coaches so it’s more noticeable when he fails.
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DeimosRising posted:That defense is very much for real and if the offense weren’t crippled by a caricature of bad karma I think they’d be the best team in the AFC. Too bad about the rapist albatross around their neck The Ravens beat the Browns very handily by the 2nd quarter, then coasted the whole second half. That's part of why Cleveland's per game defensive stats look so good. It's basically the one game where Baltimore's offense wasn't burdened by self inflicted wounds. The only caveat is Cleveland started Dorian Thompson-Robinson at QB, who is a significant step down from Malik Willis. The constant 3 and outs and bad field position put the Browns defense in a bad spot. Cleveland's defense is very good, but reserving them a place in history after 5 games is an artifact of talking heads needing something to talk about all week. None of this is to take anything away from Myles Garrett. He is the best defensive player in the league. Garrett, Bruce Smith, and Bubba Smith appear to be the only defensive players drafted first overall who actually lived up to it.
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that's why I compared him to early Andy Reid. he's very good at everything but managing these sorts of games, which he has been his entire career so far. maybe he'll get it turned around when he's coaching the Bengals in 2029
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indigi posted:it basically only matters in aggregate when used to measure a defense, in terms of individual games or even individual quarterbacks it's not especially illustrative Yeah this is the problem with all football stats I think. This is not baseball, we do not have the sample sizes needed for true moneyballing over here without there being some sort of eye test involved. e: for this conversation the Browns by eye test do seem pretty damned good on D.
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indigi posted:that's why I compared him to early Andy Reid. he's very good at everything but managing these sorts of games, which he has been his entire career so far. maybe he'll get it turned around when he's coaching the Bengals in 2029 Andy Reid magically got better at game management when he got an all world QB, I think those two things are probably related.
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time management wasn't Andy's only problem, just his most visible one. he was very bad at adjusting game plans, his play calling tendencies would go off the rails in the second half of games against good defenses, and didn’t know how to sit on a lead in the fourth. I don't think Shanahan needs an all world QB to fix his problems, but fingers crossed cause he's very bad at evaluating QBs
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Don’t forget the Browns won starting an XFL QB. The PJ Walker highlight reel may only contain one play, but that play owns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6MU9B9bI1k Then the kicker botched it and they lost lol but that's not on Walker!
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PJ Walker may be better than Watson given how washed he is so if he wants to keep collecting his guaranteed money on the sidelines the team might be better off This doesn’t mean PJ Walker is GOOD mind you but he’s good enough with that ridiculous defense
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Oct 16, 2023 20:19
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I'd be fine with the Browns finding success with Watson sulking on the bench while getting outplayed by PJ Walker.
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Docjowles posted:The PJ Walker highlight reel may only contain one play, but that play owns I was at that game, and completely lost my poo poo with the Panthers fans around me on that bomb. Then the PAT (and OT) happened 
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All teams seem to be playing lovely this year, some more than others of course
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Bellmaker posted:PJ Walker may be better than Watson given how washed he is so if he wants to keep collecting his guaranteed money on the sidelines the team might be better off lol Walker pretty much sucked. He had accuracy issues all day. The defense won the game. I’m all on team Watson can go gently caress himself, but there’s unfortunately no way he’ll get benched for Walker at any point.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:lol Walker pretty much sucked. He had accuracy issues all day. The defense won the game. He was bad, but I was sort of impressed that he wasn't bad bad. I mean that's not a fun defense to go against as a QB who just showed up a week or two ago I don't think. This, of course, does not mean he will ever be actually good in any way, but it was nice for him to get a win.
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