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Charliegrs posted:So is Jordan's best chance to get elected speaker going to be in 30ish days when another government shutdown is looming? Jordan's best chance to get elected speaker is now, because the longer this goes on the weaker his position gets. Right before a shutdown is when you're most likely to get a compromise.
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haveblue posted:The funniest possible ending for this is enough moderate Republicans resign from the House in disgust that the Democrats get a majority. It wouldn't even take that many I'm personally holding out for the comedy ending where enough Republicans "get stuck in traffic" during the Speaker vote and Jeffries ends up getting the job.
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Trump visited the Palmetto State Armory store and supposedly bought a Glock a few weeks back. Whether he really bought it or not is not known I think. But if he did, it would have been a violation of the order the Judge gave in (I can't remember which case) to allow him to go free while the trial is in preparation. So I've bought guns before and you have to at minimum go through a NICS check which is a federal system. Could Jack Smith subpoena the records for that and determine if Trump went through the NICS check and if so couldn't he then subpoena the store records to verify that Trump actually bought the gun?
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Morrow posted:Jordan's best chance to get elected speaker is now, because the longer this goes on the weaker his position gets. Right before a shutdown is when you're most likely to get a compromise. Yeah, I'd say Jordan has at most 3 rounds of votes before he's officially toast. The question after that is whether they immediately try to bring back McCarthy or remind everyone this is a safe space, and ask if anyone else wants to get off to national humiliation before the wrap things up. Deals with the Democrats don't enter the realm of possibility before Kevin fails a few rounds of voting himself. Anything more than a clean budget bill doesn't come into play before the shutdown happens. Of course Israel's poo poo is a confounding factor as Representatives are looking to dump a few billion more on kick-starting the Rapture.
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Oct 16, 2023 22:03
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Democrats should stay out of this, the Republican House members are finally being good at something, making themselves look like complete dipshits. Everyone should just let them keep doing this as long as possible or I guess until the next shutdown looms.
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Oct 16, 2023 22:09
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I'm guessing Jordan is very pro "Let's send as many weapons as possible to Israel to genocide the Palestinians" right? I haven't heard his official position on it but that's his partie's position.
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Oct 16, 2023 22:11
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Look forward to Gym Jordan becoming Speaker. The smart move would be to put up a patsy that has one job of keeping the government running - heck find someone who was going to retire at the end of their term anyway if you have to, let them pass something longer term, and then oust them and become speaker. Having Gym Jordan become speaker and shut down the government after the republicans dump McCarthy for finding a deal to keep things open is such a freebie for Biden and the democrats.
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Oct 16, 2023 22:29
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Is the rule that the House needs a Speaker to function written in the constitution or can a future Speaker wrangle the votes to let the rest of the House run more autonomously
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Is the rule that the House needs a Speaker to function written in the constitution or can a future Speaker wrangle the votes to let the rest of the House run more autonomously The constitution demands a Speaker. Article 1, Section 2. The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker It is silent on what the Speaker's job is.
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Bel Shazar posted:The constitution demands a Speaker. I vote for the Bose SoundLink Color II. Even comes in Red and Blue so you can switch based on party affiliation. Oh you meant a person 
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mannerup posted:to add on this, there is precedent for moving a resolution without a Speaker and before the next one is elected, happened the first time the speakership went vacant mid-Congress in 1814 ah, so, maybe they can't elect a speaker, but they *can* pass a resolution celebrating donald trump
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Bel Shazar posted:The constitution demands a Speaker. I know the Speaker doesn't have to be a Member of Congress, but does the Speaker have to be: a) Human b) Living?
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They do still have a substitute speaker, so if they actually wanted to do something it would be possible. The problems for any sort of complex gamesmanship are -The Republicans don't actually want to pass anything at the moment -The substitute Speaker is a McCarthy loyalist, and chaos keeps the hope of re-electing Kevin alive -The knives are out, and it's far too taxing trying to figure out who to stab while avoiding stabs to try and do anything other than knife fight for the gavel
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Charliegrs posted:Trump visited the Palmetto State Armory store and supposedly bought a Glock a few weeks back. Whether he really bought it or not is not known I think. But if he did, it would have been a violation of the order the Judge gave in (I can't remember which case) to allow him to go free while the trial is in preparation. So I've bought guns before and you have to at minimum go through a NICS check which is a federal system. Could Jack Smith subpoena the records for that and determine if Trump went through the NICS check and if so couldn't he then subpoena the store records to verify that Trump actually bought the gun? Sure, but Trump's visit to the store was on video and we can see he didn't buy the gun during the stop. While it's not impossible he secretly looped back and bought it, the more likely explanation of the campaign briefly claiming he'd done so is that Trump is a bullshit artist and his campaign is filled with habitual liars. The special counsel may have looked into it, but there's also the issue that that law is currently being litigated, with a Texas appeals court having ruled it unconstitutional. I can imagine Jack Smith not wanting to muddy his case up with something like that, even in the unlikely event that Trump actually bought the gun.
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The U.S government is so loving broken and so outrageously favors the far right that there's a very reasonable chance we get Speaker of the House Jim Jordan if not tomorrow some time later this week and then full on congressional deadlock until the next election with literally nothing getting through congress any more including even the trivial procedural stuff.
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OddObserver posted:I know the Speaker doesn't have to be a Member of Congress, but does the Speaker have to be: Look, I know we talk about "Air Bud" rules from time to time, but the House GOP is not going to elect a dead dog as Speaker.
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DoJ is appealing the sentencing of the Proud Boys, presumably because the chudge gave them all lighter sentences and they immediately went out in public and said they'd do it again https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1714006953926472084 Is this a real thing that will go anywhere, or is this "we'd like to formally record that we are upset"?
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Agronox posted:Look, I know we talk about "Air Bud" rules from time to time, but the House GOP is not going to elect a dead dog as Speaker. i can think of one dead dog they might support
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PharmerBoy posted:Overwork issues are all accurate, but besides the point of the opioid dispensing issue. Crackdowns of this nature are also inadvertently affecting supply chains for legal and legit prescriptions for Hyrdrocodone, Adderall and some chemo drugs. Cross posting: https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/opioid-drug-shortages-affect-patients-health-systems Shortage of chemo drugs https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/opioid-drug-shortages-affect-patients-health-systems I take 10-20 mg of Norco daily and last month, I had to wait 8 days past my fill date to get my medication. The good news there was that I was able to get a read on any dependence I had and, turns out, there was no withdrawal or severe discomfort beyond the pain. But for people with more serious pain issues, I can only imagine this must be a complete nightmare. There's also the matter that I occasionally have to take a drug screen to verify hydrocodone in my system (so I won't sell them) and I'm not sure what will happen when I need to test positive for a drug I cannot obtain. From what I can tell, the shortage may be due to the government putting hard caps on manufacturers limiting the total amount they can produce. But, man, seems to me all this will do is actually lead more people to the streets or to heroin. All this is doing is making it difficult for people with legit issues and legal scrips. FWIW, I'm also having trouble filling my antidepressants so now, on certain days, I get sad brains and have trouble sleeping on top of chronic pain.
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Charliegrs posted:I'm guessing Jordan is very pro "Let's send as many weapons as possible to Israel to genocide the Palestinians" right? I haven't heard his official position on it but that's his partie's position. Who the flying gently caress even knows if he has any opinion at all there. Which group oppresses LGBT people and hates Democrats and "woke people" harder in their respective regions? Israel or Palestine? Cause that's probably who he ends up supporting and where his thinking on the matter will begin or end. My guess is he's too busy doing Trump's bidding and trying to run interference on his trial or trying to impeach Biden even harder and that's the sole business of the house for the next year or so.
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Kale posted:Who the flying gently caress even knows if he has any opinion at all there. Which group oppresses LGBT people and hates Democrats and "woke people" harder in their respective regions? Israel or Palestine? Cause that's probably who he ends up supporting and where his thinking on the matter will begin or end. My guess is he's too busy doing Trump's bidding and trying to run interference on his trial or trying to impeach Biden even harder and that's the sole business of the house for the next year or so. I don't think it's that simple when it comes to Israel. Israel is a much more liberal place than the Palestinian territories but it still gets almost universal support from Republicans because the Palestinians are Muslim brown people. (Israel is full of brown people too but they don't seem to know that).
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Kale posted:Who the flying gently caress even knows if he has any opinion at all there. Which group oppresses LGBT people and hates Democrats and "woke people" harder in their respective regions? Israel or Palestine? Cause that's probably who he ends up supporting and where his thinking on the matter will begin or end. My guess is he's too busy doing Trump's bidding and trying to run interference on his trial or trying to impeach Biden even harder and that's the sole business of the house for the next year or so. The thing where the far right endorses Hamas because it's antisemitic hasn't spread to congress yet. MTG is just against sending US troops to bomb Gaza because they should be invading Mexico instead. I think Jordan is against arming Ukraine and for arming Israel, but reporters were saying Ukraine and Israel were going to be combined into one package that would get a vote.
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mannerup posted:https://twitter.com/bresreports/status/1714055682561851886 I can't believe these loving idiots are once again dragging their faceless and stinger covered bodies onto the Leopard and Scorpion direct ferry. But this time he looked me in the eyes when he gave a vague promise!
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OddObserver posted:I know the Speaker doesn't have to be a Member of Congress, but does the Speaker have to be: 
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Retro42 posted:I'm personally holding out for the comedy ending where enough Republicans "get stuck in traffic" during the Speaker vote and Jeffries ends up getting the job. The only thing more powerless as Speaker than a Republican trying to wrangle their entire shithead caucus would be a Democrat accidentally getting the job and trying to do anything from a true minority position. This would in fact be the tragic ending.
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Jaxyon posted:DoJ is appealing the sentencing of the Proud Boys, presumably because the chudge gave them all lighter sentences and they immediately went out in public and said they'd do it again Oh my god please. I couldn't stand seeing one of them barely leave the exit before recanting his full statement of remorse, yelling TRUMP WON and celebrating his like 50% of expected sentence. (I'm making generalizations because I hate these guys too much to give them real estate in my head.) I know it was a chudge but in a moral universe he should have been pulled right back into the courtroom before he made it to his car for a nice resentencing. FAFO doesn't see enough light of day.
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Sarcastro posted:The only thing more powerless as Speaker than a Republican trying to wrangle their entire shithead caucus would be a Democrat accidentally getting the job and trying to do anything from a true minority position. This would in fact be the tragic ending. They'd get way more passed than any possible Republican. Just by virtue of bringing all the bills that have all Democrats and 5 or so Republicans in support.
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BiggerBoat posted:There's also the matter that I occasionally have to take a drug screen to verify hydrocodone in my system (so I won't sell them) and I'm not sure what will happen when I need to test positive for a drug I cannot obtain. Having to piss into a cup to prove you are on a drug was most definitely not on my 2023 Trauma Conga Bingo card. drat.
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Gyges posted:They'd get way more passed than any possible Republican. Just by virtue of bringing all the bills that have all Democrats and 5 or so Republicans in support. Or at the least put a lot of vulnerable Republicans on record voting down popular bills in an election year. That dilemma is what the Hastert Rule exists to prevent.
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Jaxyon posted:DoJ is appealing the sentencing of the Proud Boys, presumably because the chudge gave them all lighter sentences and they immediately went out in public and said they'd do it again But, according to the Supreme Court those guidelines are explicitly advisory and the judge has wide latitude. Kelly chose to apply the enhancement as required but depart downward so as to make it not impact sentence length: https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1697293263726657979 I think Kelly's widely off base (he sees it as meant for terror killings and literal bombings and that it only applied here because of being poorly written, I think that's insane) but the underlying mechanic makes sense from a pursuit of justice perspective. Selfplagarizing: quote:To paraphrase (and exaggerate for absurdity) what he sees this as, it's as if there were a law requiring a sentencing enhacement for assaults in school if a student shot, stabbed, disembowled, choked, or otherwise made contact with a teacher during the assault, and the defendant pushed away the teacher's outstreched arm when the teacher tried to separate the students. By the letter of the law, he has no choice but to apply the enhancement. But following sentencing guidelines that would require an extra 15 years for it - maybe sensible had the student been trying to murder or severely injure the teacher - would be extraordinarily unjust and our legal system allows him to make that determination. quote:Is this a real thing that will go anywhere, or is this "we'd like to formally record that we are upset"?
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Still cant believe we are very likely getting speaker Jim Jordan 2 heartbeats away from the presidency and theres seemingly no force than can stop America's descent into fascism anymore.
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Kale posted:Still cant believe we are very likely getting speaker Jim Jordan 2 heartbeats away from the presidency and theres seemingly no force than can stop America's descent into fascism anymore. No, we're not very likely getting Jim Jordan. He's more likely than not going to slam face first into a wall. https://twitter.com/haleytalbotcnn/status/1714271457612550546
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Kale posted:Still cant believe we are very likely getting speaker Jim Jordan 2 heartbeats away from the presidency and theres seemingly no force than can stop America's descent into fascism anymore. I think the GOP line of thinking is that picking a sex predator defender/insurrectionist/lunatic is better that that the continue embarrassment of not being able to pick anyone at all.
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Morrow posted:No, we're not very likely getting Jim Jordan. He's more likely than not going to slam face first into a wall.
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