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Morrow posted:Jordan's best chance to get elected speaker is now, because the longer this goes on the weaker his position gets. Oh hey turns out I continue to be right about everything ever. At this point all three top figures in the GOP house have made their pitch for speaker and failed. It's going to be a war between naked ambition and a collective sense of shame to see how long this goes on.
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https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status/1714322725097918745 Daaaaayum!
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Piell posted:He's like the designated "I don't want to vote for the leading candidate so I'm parking my vote here for now" person, this happened last time too Just feels like weird pick. loving Zeldin.
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"This episode of GOP Thrashing was filmed in front of a live studio audience"
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Oct 17, 2023 18:52
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Has the actual floor vote been scheduled yet
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lmfao no new Speaker, Jim Jordan got 200 votes exactly, far short of what he needed
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Has the actual floor vote been scheduled yet That was the floor vote
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Morrow posted:Oh hey turns out I continue to be right about everything ever. It's a drat shame that they're naked ambition reserves are even bigger than the oil reserves in the middle east.
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Oct 17, 2023 18:59
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lolllllll imagine getting called by Sean loving Hannity to try to get you to vote for Jordan
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Julio Cruz posted:lolllllll imagine getting called by Sean loving Hannity to try to get you to vote for Jordan I mean, in all seriousness he's probably one of the most powerful people in the Republican party right now.
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Oct 17, 2023 19:03
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The second impeachment inquiry hearing has been taken off the House calendar for two weeks and still hasn't been added back. We're never going to know who the surprise witness that has evidence that will blow the case wide open is at this rate. They should at least leak the evidence to the NYT, WaPo, or WSJ so they can get Biden out of office and get all the new leaders of each branch sorted out at once
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The second impeachment inquiry hearing has been taken off the House calendar for two weeks and still hasn't been added back. We're never going to know who the surprise witness that has evidence that will blow the case wide open is at this rate. It's Jim Jordan with a Senor Wences-esque handpuppet.
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Oct 17, 2023 19:30
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Love that we are back to Jeffries getting more votes than the GOP guy
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Oct 17, 2023 20:05
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God if I’m an average GOP rep I’m absolutely plotting Gaetz’s downfall over this. Ejecting a speaker for the first time in history followed by humiliating their majority leader in a failed vote and then underlining the dysfunction with the Jordan show, all for literally nothing! Just making the entire conference look dumb as hell.
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Oct 17, 2023 20:14
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Is it time for them to recess for another week yet?
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Silly Burrito posted:Is it time for them to recess for another week yet? https://twitter.com/jordainc/status/1714352348993040592 Supposedly more votes coming today after they bitch at each other for a while.
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Oct 17, 2023 20:33
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In other news, that principal that pulled scholarships and told the dancing girl to live in God’s way is going to end up on leave for the rest of the year. That’s bullshit. Should’ve been fired. https://twitter.com/WAFB/status/1714354801146818787
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Bugsy posted:https://twitter.com/jordainc/status/1714352348993040592 I mean that’s per Jordan’s guy though. Jordan must know that if he doesn’t get it today it’s much less likely he ever does.
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Bugsy posted:https://twitter.com/jordainc/status/1714352348993040592 The Dutchman must have a captain
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Fifteen of Many posted:God if I’m an average GOP rep I’m absolutely plotting Gaetz’s downfall over this. Ejecting a speaker for the first time in history followed by humiliating their majority leader in a failed vote and then underlining the dysfunction with the Jordan show, all for literally nothing! Just making the entire conference look dumb as hell. Not nothing, now Gaetz and McCarthy are going to have a permanent footnote in the history books. Sure, that footnote may include "and then was thrown out of Congress", but no publicity is bad publicity. I think I'm on board with the Jordan, Eventually theorists, if only because who the hell else.
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Oct 17, 2023 20:57
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I'm hearing things about this Zelda person. Seems to be getting a few votes. Might be worth looking into.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:Not nothing, now Gaetz and McCarthy are going to have a permanent footnote in the history books. Sure, that footnote may include "and then was thrown out of Congress", but no publicity is bad publicity. Right now, the favorite is actually McCarthy. He's lurking around, practicing how cool his speech is going to be when he oh so very reluctantly returns to save the Republicans. Nobody has high odds of winning, because Republicans are a collection of loving psychos with only 5 or so needed to tank anything. However, Jordan is absolutely hated by way more members than he's able to lose the vote of. Current order of likely Speaker resolution is: - McCarthy comes back as the only guy who can even come close to getting enough votes, and everyone else clearly can't win - Someone makes some sort of limited deal over bills brought to the floor with Democrats to pick up enough votes in conjunction with the majority of Republicans who are fine with it - Speaker Jordan, his eyes averted - An official power sharing deal with the Democrats - Speaker Jeffries
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Google Jeb Bush posted:Not nothing, now Gaetz and McCarthy are going to have a permanent footnote in the history books. Sure, that footnote may include "and then was thrown out of Congress", but no publicity is bad publicity. I mean, they can keep this stalled out until long past the next debt ceiling breakpoint. The question I have becomes this: given that it seems like a portion of the HFC functionally wants the debt ceiling talks to fail and for the government to shut down - doesn't it serve the interests of the suicide caucus to gridlock on a new speaker to prevent any sort of debt ceiling negotiating to happen at all? It's hard to compromise with 'the enemy' if you're actually incapable of even bringing a debt ceiling bill to the floor at all.
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DeathSandwich posted:I mean, they can keep this stalled out until long past the next debt ceiling breakpoint. The debt ceiling and the government shutdown are two separate issues The shutdown is just embarrassing, it will not do lasting damage unless it persists for months. There are factions of the right that want it to happen (libertarians, budget hawks, privatization freaks) but once it does it's more of a slow-motion trainwreck that will give cooler heads a chance to prevail and undo it The debt ceiling is an economic extinction-level event that could dislodge America from the top of the world economy overnight.There also isn't a "welp this is a mess, let's work on fixing it" period with the debt ceiling, default is instantaneous and then we're in a post-default world (of poo poo). No one wants this to happen. All the money in the world will be lined up against it. It's also much further off in the future (two years, after the next election cycle) haveblue fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Oct 17, 2023 |
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haveblue posted:The shutdown is just embarrassing, it will not do lasting damage unless it persists for months.
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haveblue posted:The shutdown is just embarrassing, it will not do lasting damage unless it persists for months. There are factions of the right that want it to happen (libertarians, budget hawks, privatization freaks) but once it does it's more of a slow-motion trainwreck that will give cooler heads a chance to prevail and undo it haveblue posted:The debt ceiling is an economic extinction-level event that could dislodge America from the top of the world economy overnight. There also isn't a "welp this is a mess, let's work on fixing it" period with the debt ceiling, default is instantaneous and then we're in a post-default world (of poo poo). No one wants this to happen. All the money in the world will be lined up against it. It's also much further off in the future (two years, after the next election cycle)
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Paracaidas posted:"Lasting damage" here applying solely to the broader economy. On an individual, and at times corporate or community level, that damage can be real (e.g. credit card debt to have both food and housing absent paychecks until it's resolved, whether forced to continue working or not) and immediate. Even that's overly dismissive, given what we know about the impacts of evictions, of longterm debt, of housing, financial, and food insecurity on health and education metrics, etc. True, I didn't mean to imply a government shutdown has no impact whatsoever. All these things run on cycles and the exact timing of the shutdown will affect which checks fail to go out and who will have a grace period during which they got their last expected payment and haven't missed one yet quote:The bolded is not strictly true. As the extremely useful CRS notes, the Treasury Secretary has extraordinary measures available to kick the can down the road. The immediate consequences of a government shutdown are far more severe than the debt ceiling before extraordinary measures are exhausted. As I understand it, the extraordinary measures period is typically included in any default deadline estimates, under the (so far consistently correct) assumption that the treasury will begin extraordinary measures when needed regardless of how Congressional negotiations are going. So yes, we hit the debt ceiling, stay there for some time while the treasury quietly scrambles to hold things together, then default some indeterminate time after and that is the point where all hell breaks loose haveblue fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Oct 17, 2023 |
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This is the only US political thread that I keep up with after a hiatus. Mods, please strike me down for being ignorant and self-absorbed, but this is my read on the US lately: So the us is aiding israel in palestinian ethnic displacement this week so we can have a middle east presence and make more money off of weapons that kill children? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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CmdrRiker posted:
I mean, you've obviously made up your mind about that, so yeah, sure.
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mutata posted:I mean, you've very obviously made up your mind about that, so yeah, sure. No, absolutely not! I don't live there and I just react to media around me. Please educate me.
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CmdrRiker posted:No, absolutely not! I don't live there and I just react to media around me. Please educate me. All I do around here is shitpost, so I'll step aside and let region-knowers take over.
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Robviously posted:"It's time for Republicans to come together," says man who split the Republican votes. "Come together" is code for "stop arguing and do what I tell you."
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DeathSandwich posted:I mean, they can keep this stalled out until long past the next debt ceiling breakpoint. The HFC doesn't particularly want the talks to fail, they just want to demand heavy concessions in exchange for allowing the talks to succeed. CmdrRiker posted:This is the only US political thread that I keep up with after a hiatus. Mods, please strike me down for being ignorant and self-absorbed, but this is my read on the US lately: The US is aiding Israel because there's a lot more Jewish Americans than Palestinian-Americans, so there's a lot more political pressure to side with Israel. It's similar to how US policy toward Cuba is heavily influenced by the Cuban-American communities of Florida, an important swing state.
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Just saw on politico that there will _not_ be another vote tonight. https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/17/congress/no-more-speaker-votes-tuesday-00122084
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CmdrRiker posted:No, absolutely not! I don't live there and I just react to media around me. Please educate me. The people who know I/P stuff are presumably posting about it in the dedicated thread.
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Main Paineframe posted:The US is aiding Israel because there's a lot more Jewish Americans than Palestinian-Americans, so there's a lot more political pressure to side with Israel. It's similar to how US policy toward Cuba is heavily influenced by the Cuban-American communities of Florida, an important swing state. Isn't Florida a blood-red state now, after having trended that way for the last decade or two?
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Fuschia tude posted:Isn't Florida a blood-red state now, after having trended that way for the last decade or two? Trump won Florida by 3% in 2020. It isn't obvious to me that the US government is pro Israel because there are more Jewish Americans than Palestinian Americans though. (e.g. see this poll)
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