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https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1714356196877222026 Here's a tweet I can find about at least that specific video being from 2022. e: Darth Walrus posted:Confirmation with the original video posted in 2022: yeah this one's better a better link unsurprisingly the claim that somehow hamas did this is based on absolute bullshit
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Mr. Apollo posted:Israel says that the hospital were previously warned to evacuate. Like that's a thing that can be accomplished easily. In a war zone. With hundreds of patients coming in daily. ffs
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Well I for one think it's awful decent of Israel to warn the hospital to evacuate before a Hamas rocket misfires there.
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Won't the Israelis just say that Hamas was there and it's their fault for using human shields?
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MSF is coming down on "Israel did it" as of now. Given that they are who they are I would imagine they were keeping tabs on the hospital, and there were MSF doctors practicing there when it got hit. https://twitter.com/MSF/status/1714363236315779572?t=9RVkW0WSJqkvDU1JUVkQmw&s=19 CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Oct 17, 2023 |
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They blamed Islamic Jihad last time when they killed those 9 kids at least throw out a different name when you're trying this poo poo come on.
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daslog posted:Won't the Israelis just say that Hamas was there and it's their fault for using human shields? Too many innocent people for that excuse to work. They'll say it wasn't their munitions. It will be a long time before there's proof one way or another.
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mannerup posted:this is the official account of what occurred according to the IDF (and I emphasize, according to the IDF) First reports of the bombings came 40 minutes before this was supposedly recorded. IDFs propaganda department are a bunch of hacks.
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If you're wondering who you should trust between MSF and the IDF, then you're wrong
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IDF now saying they didn't warn the hospital at all, walking back and retracting their spokesperson's previous claim, and have posted what they claim is evidence that it wasn't them or hamas, but actually PIJ. Al-Jazeera is saying Israeli did it, as are many other live news streams. Still no actual evidence of Israel having done this has been released, and the only footage released that fits the rough time the hospital was hit does appear to show rockets fired from within Gaza landing on Gaza. If it turns out the IDF isn't actually responsible for this one, there has been some staggeringly foolish reporting going on. But lies travel faster around the world than truths, or something.
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They edited the tweet to remove the videos. https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1714371894521057737
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Oct 17, 2023 21:12
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The notion that the PIJ or Hamas is making rockets capable of that kind of damage out of junkyard scrap and smuggled parts is pretty laughable. Doubly so considering that we have ample evidence of what their munitions are capable of in Israel and they've never come close to what took out a whole hospital like that.
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Rakosi posted:IDF now saying they didn't warn the hospital at all, walking back and retracting their spokesperson's previous claim, and have posted what they claim is evidence that it wasn't them or hamas, but actually PIJ. I mean, they're responsible for it regardless of who fired the missile The IDF fired the missile
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Failed Imagineer posted:If you're wondering who you should trust between MSF and the IDF, then you're wrong Especially when they IDF already straight up told everyone that they were going to start bombing hospitals.
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Personally, if I was a multibillion dollar militant state capable of bombing any building I want at my leisure, I'd make sure to find and stick to one alibi before bombing a hospital and killing nearly a thousand people at once. Maybe that's the point though; "gently caress you Joe, you're not our boss, you're chained to us, and now your propaganda apparatchiks are going to sell whatever it takes to justify this. Come up with the reason yourself."
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:They edited the tweet to remove the videos. "Bear with us while we scrounge around for a plausible video, we've got our best VFX guys on it"
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"hamas was storing munitions in the hospital which is why it blew the hell up" job done, where's my hasbara check (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Groovelord Neato posted:Israel always does this - they murdered 9 kids during the last bombardment and blamed it on an Islamic Jihad misfire then walked it back and admitted to it after nobody was paying attention. Do you have a link to where they admitted it? (just curious, not doubting it)
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WaPo is reporting a video showing the bombing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza/#link-UVNAJKOHXRFCNC2Z4IPFMCIL54
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Ciprian Maricon posted:The notion that the PIJ or Hamas is making rockets capable of that kind of damage out of junkyard scrap and smuggled parts is pretty laughable. Doubly so considering that we have ample evidence of what their munitions are capable of in Israel and they've never come close to what took out a whole hospital like that. If the video I saw is right (big fiery explosion) then it looked like the hospital was destroyed because the initial missile strike detonated something else (possibly stored fuel, oxygen or something else a hospital could reasonably have). If the actual destruction was caused by a secondary explosion the power of the missile doesn't matter that much. That said the video I saw also didn't have a visible rocket which would imply a dropped bomb by the Israelis. All of the footage is poo poo though and both sides will 100% lie their asses off so you can't really trust anything at the moment.
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Rakosi posted:IDF now saying they didn't warn the hospital at all, walking back and retracting their spokesperson's previous claim, and have posted what they claim is evidence that it wasn't them or hamas, but actually PIJ. drop dead you loving swine (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ciprian Maricon posted:The notion that the PIJ or Hamas is making rockets capable of that kind of damage out of junkyard scrap and smuggled parts is pretty laughable. Doubly so considering that we have ample evidence of what their munitions are capable of in Israel and they've never come close to what took out a whole hospital like that. Every video I've ever seen of a rocket fired by Hamas looks less impressive than what I can buy across the border in South Carolina. No I am not exaggerating and yes that might say more about the state of affairs in the Palmetto state.
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Rakosi posted:IDF now saying they didn't warn the hospital at all, walking back and retracting their spokesperson's previous claim, and have posted what they claim is evidence that it wasn't them or hamas, but actually PIJ. If by "rough time" you mean decidedly after the fact you loving ghoul https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1714369464823857604
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Ciprian Maricon posted:The notion that the PIJ or Hamas is making rockets capable of that kind of damage out of junkyard scrap and smuggled parts is pretty laughable. Doubly so considering that we have ample evidence of what their munitions are capable of in Israel and they've never come close to what took out a whole hospital like that. Yeah, if Palestinian militants had their hands on this kind of firepower they wouldn't have sat on it until a week into the war, we would have seen 5-10x the casualties in the initial attack from their terrifying building-leveling rockets. Neurolimal posted:Personally, if I was a multibillion dollar militant state capable of bombing any building I want at my leisure, I'd make sure to find and stick to one alibi before bombing a hospital and killing nearly a thousand people at once. Depressingly, I think this take is more or less correct. Biden trying to tap the brakes even slightly is unacceptable to Netanyahu and his supporters and now they're trying to escalate things enough that the U.S. is forced to go all in.
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The US governments official line for now is that bombing the hospital was justified https://twitter.com/housetrotter/status/1714369451317997805
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https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106 This appears to show a missile interception maybe being the cause. No time stamp on this but it does appear to show the hospital explosion from a great distance, and the missile interception footage matches previously released images that had different timestamps, though.
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brugroffil posted:The US governments official line for now is that bombing the hospital was justified Justified in exactly the same way that flying a plane into the side of her workplace was justified . (It wasn't justified)
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NovemberMike posted:If the video I saw is right (big fiery explosion) then it looked like the hospital was destroyed because the initial missile strike detonated something else (possibly stored fuel, oxygen or something else a hospital could reasonably have). If the actual destruction was caused by a secondary explosion the power of the missile doesn't matter that much. That said the video I saw also didn't have a visible rocket which would imply a dropped bomb by the Israelis. Link? I don't think the hospital was destroyed. I read witnesses on BBC saying that part of the hospital's roof has collapsed and there were broken windows. The very first reports all mentioned the hospital courtyard being hit, not the building itself.
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Rakosi posted:IDF now saying they didn't warn the hospital at all, walking back and retracting their spokesperson's previous claim, and have posted what they claim is evidence that it wasn't them or hamas, but actually PIJ. The very fact that the IDF had a spokesperson make a claim that they warned a hospital before it was struck is such a damning piece of evidence I'm not sure why deference is being given to the IDF as if the last thirty years haven't consistently shown them to be unreliable.
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https://x.com/lowkey0nline/status/1714380404210246079?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q lol, Netanyahu's staff were initially taking credit for the attack.
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Schrödinger's warning: hospital patients and staff are in a superposition of having and having not been warned about the attack, until someone observes whether there's enough evidence to prove whether the IDF bombed it, at which point the wavefunction will collapse into one of the two possible physical states
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It wasn't us. However, if it was us, then the hospital has been warned. And if the hospital wasn't warned, then it was still justified.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://x.com/lowkey0nline/status/1714380404210246079?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q After the threats to do it for days plus things like this, including the hastily assembled cover up, you have to wonder exactly who was told about the attack and then firmly asked them what the gently caress they thought they were doing.
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Carew posted:WaPo is reporting a video showing the bombing: The sound of that missile whirring through the air is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard.
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Some of y'all are likely already aware but this "reusing old attack footage" poo poo is practically ubiquitous low-level disinformation and something to be constantly on the lookout for.Zulily Zoetrope posted:They're not saying "the carrier group is there to deter attacks on Israel, while permitting Israel to attack its neighbors," that's correct, they're merely saying "the carrier group is there to deter attacks on Israel," while permitting Israel to attack its neighbors. Is that a meaningful distinction? Yes, very much so, when it's attributed to their statement. theCalamity posted:The problem is that the second one is implying that the event is inherently misleading because the Ministry of Health is ran by Hamas. Reuters’ headline is better: “At least 300 dead in Gaza hospital bombing, local authorities say” I'm not sure the purpose of the attribution is to imply that the event is inherently misleading because the Ministry of Health is run by Hamas; it is however a significant limitation of the claim when it's not separately verified. Either the Reuters or the revised AP writeup is better than the original AP writeup.
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brugroffil posted:The US governments official line for now is that bombing the hospital was justified It is the official position of this administration that the genocide of Palestinians is justified. So long as they keep supporting Israel, they are supporting a genocide and ethnic cleansing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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