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This is the tweet WaPo is hosting as footage of the hospital bombing https://vxtwitter.com/lanasaiif/status/1714336606352499150 This is old footage of a JDAM guided bomb being used against the Taliban. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_uwzugvv-g This is Forbes footage of Hamas rockets being fired and intercepted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Td1VfUFU3w Seems like the munitions used are much closer in speed/effect to the guided bomb than the rockets.
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I think the speculation that it was PIJ and not Hamas is because as has been mentioned in this thread, Hamas munitions are not traditionally big enough to cause an explosion anything like this. PIJ is apparently known to have Iranian Badr 3's, though, and these carry 300-400kg warheads, which certainly do. They used them during the May 2021 fighting. Some 10-20% of all rockets fired from within Gaza land within Gaza, because they aren't exactly sophisticated.
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Oct 17, 2023 23:22
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This is a really good time for me to get a response from my congressional rep which responded to "Israel is going to kill a ton of people" with a boilerplate "I agree, Hamas are terrorists, we need to give Israel way more money". And thus my only legal outlet for doing anything in the government shuts down.
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https://twitter.com/MirzaMahan/status/1714377238823469399 https://twitter.com/MirzaMahan/status/1714377313691852938 Shocking reporting from a western media journalist. Hopefully he still has a career after this, in the second part he even brings up Shireen and how the IDF lied about her.
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Has anyone considered the possibility that Palestinian people are naturally explosive and that they get touched off by tiny explosions? Asking because I’m very open minded. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rakosi posted:I think the speculation that it was PIJ and not Hamas is because as has been mentioned in this thread, Hamas munitions are not traditionally big enough to cause an explosion anything like this. PIJ is apparently known to have Iranian Badr 3's, though, and these carry 300-400kg warheads, which certainly do. They used them during the May 2021 fighting. Some 10-20% of all rockets fired from within Gaza land within Gaza, because they aren't exactly sophisticated. or maybe the country that warned the hospital they would be dropping bombs on or around it did it. farfetched idea i know.
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Rakosi posted:I think the speculation that it was PIJ and not Hamas is because as has been mentioned in this thread, Hamas munitions are not traditionally big enough to cause an explosion anything like this. PIJ is apparently known to have Iranian Badr 3's, though, and these carry 300-400kg warheads, which certainly do. They used them during the May 2021 fighting. Some 10-20% of all rockets fired from within Gaza land within Gaza, because they aren't exactly sophisticated. The footage of the explosion looks like it's a sophisticated weapon. Do you disagree?
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Rakosi posted:I think the speculation that it was PIJ and not Hamas is because as has been mentioned in this thread, Hamas munitions are not traditionally big enough to cause an explosion anything like this. PIJ is apparently known to have Iranian Badr 3's, though, and these carry 300-400kg warheads, which certainly do. They used them during the May 2021 fighting. Some 10-20% of all rockets fired from within Gaza land within Gaza, because they aren't exactly sophisticated. It was a JDAM. It sounds like and explodes like a JDAM. Stop trying to confuse people
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punishedkissinger posted:or maybe the country that warned the hospital they would be dropping bombs on or around it did it. farfetched idea i know. It's pretty funny (and very gross) he posted that like four posts after I gave an example of them doing this exact same thing including with supposed video evidence.
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there is a press conference clip going round with doctors in what is apparently the hospital courtyard I do not recommend posting it
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The IDF bomb an Hamaspital; which aren't covered by Geneva conventions. 👨🎓 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Google Jeb Bush posted:there is a press conference clip going round with doctors in what is apparently the hospital courtyard I second this. I came across stills and there are are dead toddlers on the ground.
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It would have to be an IDF attack that coincides amazingly closely to an ongoing and unrelated missile malfunction happening in the skies directly above the hospital, so much so that it looks to reasonable observers to be the remains of that munition falling. That is unbelievable timing. A missile that lost it's way still sounds like a missile. It's still missile shaped and makes that whistle as it punches through the air. All of these other ideas such as JDAMs are, of course, possible. They just have less evidence to support them currently. Rakosi fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Oct 17, 2023 |
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Serious question; I saw the Twitter post where the IDF account made that disgusting comment about "fighting the children of darkness" like an insane person, but I haven't seen the one where the spokesperson claims that the hospital was warned because I'm having trouble googling through similar stories. Was that on the IDF account too?
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DelilahFlowers posted:It was a JDAM. It sounds like and explodes like a JDAM. Stop trying to confuse people It sounds like a JDAM but the explosion looks like it's primarily the secondary explosive. The whole thing is weird because we see a Palestinian rocket fail (it wouldn't be an interception near the launch point), a separate site is hit and then the hospital is hit with a big fireball all within a few seconds. There clearly was a JDAM but it's hard to know if that hit the hospital or the other site, and we don't know what happened to the failed Palestinian rocket.
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Reik posted:This is the tweet WaPo is hosting as footage of the hospital bombing This is pretty conclusive and should be shared widely, I already have
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Google Jeb Bush posted:there is a press conference clip going round with doctors in what is apparently the hospital courtyard It’s loving brutal and people keep retweeting it.
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Rakosi posted:It would have to be an IDF attack that coincides amazingly closely to an ongoing missile malfunction happening in the skies directly above the hospital, so much so that it looks to reasonable observers to be the remains of that munition falling. That is unbelievable timing. Where is the evidence of this supposed missile misfire? Are these the videos posted by the IDF which show a later time? Why is this guy openly allowed to spread misinformation ITT? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I didn't know SA was so full of ballistics/explosives experts. You guys must all be EOD!
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Rakosi posted:It would have to be an IDF attack that coincides amazingly closely to an ongoing and unrelated missile malfunction happening in the skies directly above the hospital, so much so that it looks to reasonable observers to be the remains of that munition falling. That is unbelievable timing. You think it is unbelievable that the IDF would launch a bomb in retaliation immediately after Hamas launches a rocket at them?
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Why is this guy openly allowed to spread misinformation ITT? Israel has a right to defend itself.
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Rakosi posted:It would have to be an IDF attack that coincides amazingly closely to an ongoing and unrelated missile malfunction happening in the skies directly above the hospital, so much so that it looks to reasonable observers to be the remains of that munition falling. That is unbelievable timing. Famously Hamas has a lot of high powered explosive missiles capable of blowing up an entire building full of people. Surely you'd be able tk give examples of similar explosions literally anywhere in Israel. Right? punishedkissinger posted:Israel has a right to defend itself. Jfc this joke.
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Bibi and his representatives needs to be loving hanged. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tigey posted:Holy poo poo words fail me. What a loving disgusting act. Sickened our governments are going along with this All our news media outlets are bringing on Israeli representatives, no poo poo they will put up their hands in the air or point at Hamas. As soon as anyone who is even remotely being close to pro palestine is brought on the only thing they ask is to condemn hamas.
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Reik posted:You think it is unbelievable that the IDF would launch a bomb in retaliation immediately after Hamas launches a rocket at them? No, I think it's unbelievable that it just so happened to occur that the rocket fired at them started malfunctioning in the sky just before the hospital hit, and with time enough between the two to look like it was the rocket falling/pitching down, but in that interval an IDF munition swooped in to do the actual damage. No sign of the rocket having fallen anywhere else yet. I don't not want it to be the IDF as some seem to think, it's just that narrative has no evidence yet and the rocket malfunction one is having increasing amounts of corroboration. AFancyQuestionMark posted:Where is the evidence of this supposed missile misfire? Are these the videos posted by the IDF which show a later time? In the links I shared earlier. Caros posted:Famously Hamas has a lot of high powered explosive missiles capable of blowing up an entire building full of people. Yes, May 2021, the PIJ used Badr 3 rockets with 300-400kg warheads against Ashkelon and Netivot.
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Hey bud I know you're not very bright and must be doing an obnoxious bit but I already dealt with the video stuff you have to stop citing it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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mannerup posted:posted this a couple times in the thread asking for a source of that claim, it appears to have originated from The Spectator Index which claims they got the statement from Al Jazeera (which I have been unable to locate on either their website or social media accounts) Thanks. That would explain why I couldn't find it.
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Serious question; I saw the Twitter post where the IDF account made that disgusting comment about "fighting the children of darkness" like an insane person, but I haven't seen the one where the spokesperson claims that the hospital was warned because I'm having trouble googling through similar stories. Was that on the IDF account too? It might even be deleted now. https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1714371554237096068 Not sure if this is the same thing that was referenced earlier. If it is, this context is important https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1714372303834722813 ummel fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Oct 17, 2023 |
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Rakosi posted:Yes, May 2021, the PIJ used Badr 3 rockets with 300-400kg warheads against Ashkelon and Netivot. You should check out the effect those munitions had for a fun surprise. There is a lot more that matters in a bomb than just the weight of its warhead.
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Rakosi posted:Yes, May 2021, the PIJ used Badr 3 rockets with 300-400kg warheads against Ashkelon and Netivot. Those are not remotely similar in impact. You can tell because only one (1) person was killed as a result of Badr-3 missiles over the entirety of the conflict.
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it really does feel like the Hasbara is working overtime on twitter right now. every other post i see is a video claiming Hamas bombed the hospital
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Why is this guy openly allowed to spread misinformation ITT? I'm not sure how it's possible for anyone to know that it's misinformation at this point. Things are confused and everyone is falling back on their priors. Suppressing information you don't like before it's possible to know things objectively isn't a good way to get to the underlying truth.
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punishedkissinger posted:it really does feel like the Hasbara is working overtime on twitter right now. every other post i see is a video claiming Hamas bombed the hospital I really don't think that they have to do much, to be honest. Most of the western world will believe whatever they say, and let's face it, a lot of their fan club *loves* spending all day going absolutely rabid about how the IDF is always totally right. What work do you need to do when you have a million independent nutters who will dedicate their lives to spreading whatever you say, just because screaming at other people with the moral certainty of a true zealot is fun?
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Those are not remotely similar in impact. You can tell because only one (1) person was killed as a result of Badr-3 missiles over the entirety of the conflict. They aren't precision guided systems and most that make it towards Israeli settlements are intercepted by the iron dome. This warhead seems to have landed on a very large concentration of people at the hospital. You see, you can have two similarly sized explosions in two different places but the amount of people under the explosion appears to be an important variable in how many people get killed, not necessarily how big the bomb is. I am not, and have not, doubled down and said it was 100% a Palestinian Group. Just sharing information that corroborates that theory, as opposed to no currently available information that corroborates an IDF JDAM. IDF are apparently going to release public proof, but I don't think anyone is going to trust audio intercepts. https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1714411430571569590
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https://twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1714410127158075654?t=mdDXlu7vt-ccd97yYMvquA&s=19 This, but also the fact that: - IDF bombed this exact hospital over the weekend - the IDF said they were going to bomb hospitals
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So did PIJ or Hamas only have one giant rear end missle capable of blowing the poo poo out of a hospital or did all of the rest of them just magically disappear?
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Rakosi posted:most that make it towards Israeli settlements are intercepted by the iron dome. 10 percent is still a lot of rockets (and that's buying the almost certainly false effectiveness claims of the designer) and they overwhelmed it during the incursion and saw nothing like this. I'm sure they'd had plenty of misfires over the years too.
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