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Rakosi posted:https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714539311914266931 If it is real and the translation is correct.... at no point do they say it is a Hamas or PIJ rocket. It's complete non-evidence. It's apparently two random guys going "Hey, they say it's OUR rocket!" "What? Who said this?" "THEY did! What the heck!?". It's just two guys discussing the fact that Hamas has been accused, but they obviously have no knowledge whatsoever. It'd be like presenting posts in this thread as proof of anything. DelilahFlowers posted:Why the gently caress have they not been using thosr then against the idf!?!? They saving them in case the idf bust out a gundam?!? From my understanding they've been using them but they're kind of terrible for hitting anything that can move. They fire and go in a general direction, so despite the heavier payload they usually do minimal damage.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I don't think Rakosi's Just Asking Questions act is fooling a single person posting or lurking in this thread tbh. Not even with the occasional "of course, i deplore some of the actions of the IDF" thrown in. it's making me feel more like Israel is responsible than if I hadn't read his posts
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Starsfan posted:do you think that is compelling evidence of Israel's version of events? In combination with other images and footage and in light of there being precisely zero evidence to support the hamas claim, outside of that one clip some people think sounds like a JDAM, yes, I find it compelling. Confirmation from the US intelligence agencies or some other third party, regarding the IDF assessment, would mostly settle it for me, at this point.
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Rakosi posted:In combination with other images and footage and in light of there being precisely zero evidence to support the hamas claim, outside of that one clip some people think sounds like a JDAM, yes, I find it compelling. ooh nice subtle dig to characterize the people victimized by the attack as "hamas"
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Rakosi posted:In combination with other images and footage and in light of there being precisely zero evidence to support the hamas claim, outside of that one clip some people think sounds like a JDAM, yes, I find it compelling. how can you possibly find that audio clip is compelling evidence of anything. You have no way to verify who those people are or whether they have knowledge of what happened.
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Rakosi posted:In combination with other images and footage and in light of there being precisely zero evidence to support the hamas claim, outside of that one clip some people think sounds like a JDAM, yes, I find it compelling. D-Did you even watch it?? It's literally two randos with no personal knowledge of the information discussing the fact that Israel is accusing Hamas of firing the missile. It's literally as compelling as any two people in this thread talking to each other. Herstory Begins Now posted:it's making me feel more like Israel is responsible than if I hadn't read his posts This is how I feel more and more. Starsfan posted:how can you possibly find that audio clip is compelling evidence of anything. You have no way to verify who those people are or whether they have knowledge of what happened. They don't even act like they have knowledge. They're literally shocked at idea it could have been their rocket.
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As the field of fake audio logs collected from loot crates dropped by terrorist NPC's is still incredibly young, there are unfortunately no Israel guidelines for judging an entry, so I'll have to work off the Ukraine guidelines: - No mention of how great Israel's streets are and how much more civilized they are - No hamas conscript seeking out a ceramic toilet to gift to his chieftess - Partner does not ask him to commit several rapes in his name by the end - does not mention either of the Hamas soldier's incredibly tiny penis and low masculinity, barely even acknowleges the IDF's impressive virility - Was not served on a tastefully weathered and cracked Samsung Galaxy S9+ In total, I have no choice but to provide [ISRAEL] Hamas Soldiers Get SPOOKED By Jihad Rocket! a 0/10 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Was the hospital leveled? Every video ive seen of istaeli bombings have completely destroyed the infrastructure
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https://x.com/qudsn/status/1714521896723636575 Maybe something to consider before assigning blame for a blast that destroyed a hospital and killed more than 500 people is whether any such blast actually occurred. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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If Israel had done this intentionally, why wouldn't they just say "Hamas terrorists were using civilians as human shields and launching rockets from the hospital parking lot" like they usually do? Saying "We didn't do it" is a different kind of dishonesty--something they might say to mitigate international blowback from a targeted strike on civilians, but even then I can't imagine it would have been done intentionally. Nothing is gained from this at all in the current environment.
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Rakosi posted:In combination with other images and footage and in light of there being precisely zero evidence to support the hamas claim, outside of that one clip some people think sounds like a JDAM, yes, I find it compelling. US intelligence agencies are not a third party. They are intimately involved in the conflict and have a horse in the race. They are not above lying s history has shown. Also, as someone else mentioned, it is not a hamas claim, it is a witness claim. It is a survivor claim. Rakosi posted:I simultaneously think Israel is committing genocide while trying to remain objective when huge, unfolding events happen, and base my conclusions on what seems most likely based on the physical evidence available.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:it's making me feel more like Israel is responsible than if I hadn't read his posts Yeah it's just tough to read... Like I don't think Rakosi is a Hasbarist in the sense of being paid to post that garbage, and it's probably not thread-kosher to suggest that even if I did think so. But it goes to show how decades of propaganda from the Ministry of Strategic Affairs has normalised this kind of lazy reflexive IDF-hugging for people whose ideologies align that way anyway E: A style guide for how these things go: https://twitter.com/CaelanConrad/status/1714377325943386471?t=SxAVoQGLs8nR9TLZqU3E1w&s=19 Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Oct 18, 2023 |
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SuperTeeJay posted:https://x.com/qudsn/status/1714521896723636575 Sorry, are you saying the massacre is fake? BeefThief posted:If Israel had done this intentionally, why wouldn't they just say "Hamas terrorists were using civilians as human shields and launching rockets from the hospital parking lot" like they usually do? That is, in fact, what they said initially before they realized everyone was super pissed about hundreds of people in a hospital being murdered.
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SuperTeeJay posted:https://x.com/qudsn/status/1714521896723636575 I think if it didn't happen in any way, then the IDF and US would be saying that at the very least. EDIT: Also like, there's evidence of a blast there. No one has claimed it destroyed a hospital, but people do say it killed a bunch of people outside and damaged the place. Kchama fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Oct 18, 2023 |
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SuperTeeJay posted:https://x.com/qudsn/status/1714521896723636575 in that image there's incredibly clear evidence of a large blast and you can see mattresses on cars and rugs off on the right side where people had reportedly been camping out in that area. the latter fact is not under contention by any side as far as I know or have seen. that there was a large blast on an area where civilians were staying doesn't appear to be in question in any meaningful way
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Herstory Begins Now posted:in that image there's incredibly clear evidence of a large blast and you can see mattresses on cars and rugs off on the right side where people had reportedly been camping out in that area. the latter fact is not under contention by any side as far as I know or have seen. that there was a large blast on an area where civilians were staying doesn't appear to be in question in any meaningful way
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Here is the text from the briefing regarding the IDF assessment: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362 They claim to have ran the audio by other intelligence agencies. A big flaming stink posted:ooh nice subtle dig to characterize the people victimized by the attack as "hamas" It was hamas officials who originally broke the news on the ground, unless I am mistaken. Al-Jazeera was quoting them in its initial reporting. If this isn’t true, then I’ll take that back. There is no subtle digging going on, and I am sure you cant afford for me to live in your head rent free like this. Israel are 100% in the wrong in this war, and are actively trying to genocide Palestinians, again. I just dont see any reliable evidence they did this particular bomb and that seems a deeply troubling prospect to other posters, or they have no threshold of evidence that the IDF could reach to convince them anyway. Objectivity was lost the moment it was claimed the IDF killed 500+ mere minutes after the explosion happened, when that is an impossible claim to verify on the ground that quickly for obvious reasons Collapsing Farts posted:Was the hospital leveled? Every video ive seen of istaeli bombings have completely destroyed the infrastructure It was not and I showed it was not from the start of the shared reporting last night. It only ever landed in the carpark/courtyard based on the geolocation data that was doubted and then turned out to be almost exactly correct. SuperTeeJay posted:https://x.com/qudsn/status/1714521896723636575 This was the image I retracted from posting earlier because I was worried about there being gore maybe. Blast did definitely occur and people did definitely die, and many of them. It was massively overexaggerated though and hopefully the death toll will be revised down. BBC already removed the 500 figure from their reporting.
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Zoeb posted:There seems to be a consensus among US based media to report, either through passive voice that an explosion happened without attribution or to uncritically repeat the IDF position that the rocket was fired by Palestinians to destroy their own hospital. Even with this consensus of US based media and government sources asserting this, while I don't have proof, I can say that I simply do not believe this narrative. It is as credible to me as the wallet inspector. It sounds like a lie. It smells like a lie. It is as simple as that. I do not believe them. Between the bad faith posters in this thread and armchair military wrigging, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate this post and I agree with you.
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This has to be a power move. I can't think of any other reason to release something this humiliating. They want to make a show out of making Western 'journalists' put on serious faces and do round table discussions on what is the closest thing to a national shitpost. They want to load up on popcorn and guffaw as they watch CNN and see:quote:Habibbi the star of my life a rocket is fell! It did the Islamic Jihad gangsigns and rode off quote:ANDERSON COOPER: mm. Very distressing, the depth of the inhumanity, required for Hamas to lie about something like this, I'm speechless.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:in that image there's incredibly clear evidence of a large blast and you can see mattresses on cars and rugs off on the right side where people had reportedly been camping out in that area. the latter fact is not under contention by any side as far as I know or have seen. that there was a large blast on an area where civilians were staying doesn't appear to be in question in any meaningful way
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Rakosi posted:Here is the text from the briefing regarding the IDF assessment: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362 hey remember when people said this exact same thing about the "40 decapitated babies" thing and the discussion got banned? Funny how atrocity denial is A OK as long as the victims are a literal order of magnitude more Muslims.
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Video walkthrough of the site. Didn’t need to engage with rocketry hypotheticals regarding hamas or PIJ not having weapons big enough to level a hospital or kill 500 to 1000 people, because it’s looking far less likely that either of these things happened to the degree claimed, in the immediate aftermath of the incident. Thankfully. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714535687070916987
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Rakosi posted:Video walkthrough of the site. Didn’t need to engage with rocketry hypotheticals regarding hamas or PIJ not having weapons big enough to level a hospital or kill 500 to 1000 people, because it’s looking far less likely that either of these things happened to the degree claimed, in the immediate aftermath of the incident. Thankfully.  at no point are you even considering that it could be an IDF bomb. Come on! "Oh well, it doesn't NEED to be a Qassam filled with hyper-liquid fuel despite being a solid-state rocket? Then hey, that means it can just be a Qassam!". You can really tell how at no point in your mind have you ever even thought for a nanosecond that it wasn't Hamas/PIJ.That's still a drat big boom for a Qassam, and Hamas doesn't had the big bombs that PIJ have.
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Unormal posted:Looks actually like a pretty big crater for a bomb dropped on a large flat asphalt surface tbh
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It would be exponentially funny if they literally just finished making this, and have left the US with like an hour to get in line behind the nugget before press questions come in. One of the guys should have said "and also Biden is a stupid moron who will lose to Trump, I just wanted to get that out there because we're friends." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Oct 18, 2023 |
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Unormal posted:Looks actually like a pretty big crater for a bomb dropped on a large flat asphalt surface tbh A JDAM would have done far more damage to the cars though? Most of them only have fire damage. And the tiles are still on the roof.
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Because the evidence never pointed strongly in that direction, once it starting coming out. You’re the one swimming against the evidence here, not me. Everything you say about my objectivity I can say about yours, but it seems like my initial thoughts and conclusions are getting more validated and yours arent. I already said we clearly just disagree on what counts as evidence and I am not trying to convince you any longer. Just posting relevent new images or reports that haven’t shown up in this thread yet for people who are tracking the story. Unormal posted:Looks actually like a pretty big crater for a bomb dropped on a large flat asphalt surface tbh The actual crater could just about fit one adult sitting in it, but its only a foot deep. I’d post the image but I am very worried there might be hidden gore in any of these.
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Morton Salt Grrl posted:A JDAM would have done far more damage to the cars though? Most of them only have fire damage. And the tiles are still on the roof. It probably wasnt a jdam but there are plenty of other kinds of munitions.
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Morton Salt Grrl posted:A JDAM would have done far more damage to the cars though? Most of them only have fire damage. And the tiles are still on the roof. 'JDAM' isn't a specific type of bomb. It refers to the kit used to make an unguided bomb into a guided bomb. Rakosi posted:Because the evidence never pointed strongly in that direction, once it starting coming out. You’re the one swimming against the evidence here, not me. Everything you say about my objectivity I can say about yours, but it seems like my initial thoughts and conclusions are getting more validated and yours arent. I already said we clearly just disagree on what counts as evidence and I am not trying to convince you any longer. Just posting relevent new images or reports that haven’t shown up in this thread yet for people who are tracking the story. Dude, all you've been doing is posting what the IDF and pro-IDF sources say and nodding in agreement, even when it's insanely stupid and in no way validates what you're saying. Just because you, by your own admittance, knows nothing, doesn't mean you should just instantly agree with whatever you hear that you want to be correct. Remember, when this conversation started, you said straight-up that there was it was 'very important we get this right' so you were going to just go with whatever theory you liked. I mean hell, your IDF Released Hamas Call that you didn't even listen to was so unconvincing that I'm now completely convinced the IDF did it. Kchama fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Oct 18, 2023 |
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Morton Salt Grrl posted:A JDAM would have done far more damage to the cars though? Most of them only have fire damage. And the tiles are still on the roof. a bunch of those cars were smashed, with a few having even been tossed upside down, presumably by the force of the explosion
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https://twitter.com/AJA_Egypt/status/1714534502653993368?s=20 Could be referring to the other times they bombed the hospital, or could be setting up the alternative explanation for if the CODEC call collapses. 3D Megadoodoo posted:I can release a very convincing intercepted phone call between Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro where they both say "lets go Mets baby love da mets". ANDERSON COOPER: Mm. Wow, it's incredible, the display of ineptitude, that goes into cheering for the team still paying Bonilla. I'm speechless. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Oct 18, 2023 |
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Unormal posted:It probably wasnt a jdam but there are plenty of other kinds of munitions. Such as misfiring homemade Hamas rockets? A big flaming stink posted:a bunch of those cars were smashed, with a few having even been tossed upside down, presumably by the force of the explosion I can only see a single flipped car I think. This really doesn't feel like a very powerful explosion, and certainly not one that killed 500 people. I get that people don't trust the IDF, but the alternative source is literally Hamas. You might remember them as the group that killed 1,000 Israeli civilians a couple of weeks ago - they may not be trustworthy sources of information!
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The smallest JDAM equipped bombs are 500lbs, according to wikipedia on them. Do you think this looks like 500lbs?3D Megadoodoo posted:I can release a very convincing intercepted phone call between Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro where they both say "lets go Mets baby love da mets". If you’re just going to say anything submitted is AI or faked then why are you here to debate and discuss? Kchama posted:'JDAM' isn't a specific type of bomb. It refers to the kit used to make an unguided bomb into a guided bomb. I did listen to it, you just think I didnt because we don’t have the same read of it and you can’t square that in your own head. I dont care if goons get the information wrong, I care far more if reporters and the media get it wrong, because it destabilises the region more. I stated one time that I am not an expert in rocketry and you take from that that not only do I know nothing about anything, but also apparently I can not know anything. Rather than the burden of proof over whose conclusion being most likely falling on me for any longer after all the links I have shared, why don’t you share actual proof that it was an IDF strike?
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